Lots of angry people today.

[don4l]

anonymous said:

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You sound like you really want things to go wrong.

Can you explain why it would be so awful for us to not get special access?

Personally, I cannot see the problem.

[Monkeylegend]

don4l said:

anonymous said:

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You sound like you really want things to go wrong.

Can you explain why it would be so awful for us to not get special access?

Personally, I cannot see the problem.

Some people revel in negativity, doom and gloom. Mr Moose seems to be one of those people now feeling sorry for himself and blaming it on everybody else. He clearly is hoping things go belly up so he can gloat and say "I told you so"

I voted remain, but now hope we can get the best out of exiting and feel quite positive, maybe a little nervous, but excited about a new beginning, so to speak.

PMA is what it's all about, some have it, some don't. No point being a sore loser.

[basherX]

Monkeylegend said:

Some people revel in negativity, doom and gloom. Mr Moose seems to be one of those people now feeling sorry for himself and blaming it on everybody else. He clearly is hoping things go belly up so he can gloat and say "I told you so"

I voted remain, but now hope we can get the best out of exiting and feel quite positive, maybe a little nervous, but excited about a new beginning, so to speak.

PMA is what it's all about, some have it, some don't. No point being a sore loser.

I agree with this. Those who voted remain have, on average, a higher level of education than those who didn't but the more intelligent ones must see that the trick now is to get in early and help shape the terms of exit. I'm a Leaver who couldn't give a st about immigration (ie I'm realistic about the need for it) but all I see now is a world of opportunity if exit is managed well.

[Kermit power]

rscott said:

Looks like you can add Nigel to the list of angry people - seems like they're not letting him join the cross party committee which will negotiate our leaving - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/25/furious... .

He's even threatening to use his position as an MEP to get involved!

Aw, bless! The poor little sausage.

[Robertj21a]

Hopefully all the 'doom and gloom' Remainers will get their frustration over and done with in the next few days and then see if they can identify some fresh opportunities that will become available when we're outside the EU.

It's only fair that the Leavers should also curb some of their gloating, so that we can all work better together.

[Kermit power]

mph1977 said:

Kermit power said:

They won't get cheaper houses. To do that, you'd need to abolish bloody Housing Benefit!

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on what basis do you come up with that ?

to get cheaper housing you need to make the amateur property tycoons fulfill their responsibilities (which would reduce the 'easy profits' ) or get out of using housing as a speculative investment (by the tax treatment and stamp duty )

you also need to 'do a France' and ride roughshod over the NIMBYs ...

Why? The problem here isn't particularly a shortage of housing. It's a shortage of affordable housing. We have that because Housing Benefit completely distorts the rental market by effectively allowing landlords to charge pretty much what they want, knowing that the taxpayer will pick up the tab.

Remove Housing Benefit, and landlords will be forced to charge a sustainable market rate for their houses. Do that, and their value will drop accordingly as BTL landlords try to sell to recoup their investment or fail to do so and have their properties repossessed and sold at auction.

Hey presto, younger people can afford to get on the housing ladder once again.

Sure, I might lose a couple of hundred thousand of the value of my own home, but hey, I've bought it as a place to live in, not as an investment, so if the worst case scenario is passing it on to my kids to split between them, I can live with that.

[Kermit power]

Smiler. said:

bmw535i said:

Budflicker said:

Blimey CSGarth you escalated that quickly.

You seem to rate yourself quite highly as an educated progressive liberal type and then went full retard hate spewing lefty shouting insults because someone had the temerity to disagree with your viewpoint.

This vote was an exercise in true democracy , because you dislike the result doesn't mean it's wrong.

Indeed. It ALWAYS comes back to this.

Well to be fair, it is wrong to him.

But therein lies the nub. It appears that an argument or opinion opposite to the "liberal/left" is to be treated in the same way that those jackbooted characters they are so eager to mention did things.

I just hope all the whiners & whingers banging on about emigrating hurry up packing their bags & sod off so the rest of us can get on sorting things out.

I can see the headlines in the Islington Informer.

Where does this weird view that voting In was a leftie thing to do come from?

One of the largest Out votes came from traditional Labour voters. With the exception of a small number of people, as a general rule, the more educated and affluent you are, the more likely you are to vote right of centre, and those were the people who as a whole voted to remain.

From what I can see, the majority of the Out vote was either left wing working class or right wing pensioners, both voting on an emotional basis. The majority of the In vote was younger and more educated, and voting out of economic pragmatism.

In many ways, that's understandable. Very few In voters have ever seen their jobs threatened by Eastern European immigrants, and are just happy to have cheaper labour when they want their loft converting. It's human nature for them to have voted remain, but it's not left wing nature.

[Patrick Bateman]

[Kermit power]

Mothersruin said:

fizz47 said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36630326

Seems Germany not towing the same line as France or the others...

Germans are far more pragmatic than the flouncy French.

Merkel must be crapping herself at the thought of how her own electorate will react to the final increase in their contributions.

[anonymous-user]

Kermit power said:

Given the huge part our own politicians have had to say in royally fking up the Middle East over the last 70 years or so, I think it's bloody shameful that anyone had to put any pressure on for us to accept refugees, whether we're in the EU or not.

Ah, so it's our fault

[Harji]

wc98 said:

Harji said:

And searching knowledge for knowledge sake now becomes a cause of concern for peopl, jeez, what a dull world we would live in if everyone did what you think.

no problem with that, just do not expect otrher ficking people to pay for it. ffs is this such a hard concept to grasp. how has the big increase in spaniards gaining degrees helped the spanish economy for instance ?

There are many other factors you can add to the Spanish economy (which is picking up), besides many Spanish work in Latin America as well.

You do realise that students get loans ? So you're not 'freakin' paying for it.

[Harji]

fizz47 said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36630326

Seems Germany not towing the same line as France or the others...

Because, believe it or not the Germans are a pragmatic thoughtful people, they will do what is best for everyone. I know a few Brits in Germany who far prefer the way they approach things, especially with housing and investing in young people and industry.

[vonuber]

Patrick Bateman said:

Look at the nick of that. Young people moaning about the old can foxtrot oscar and look at their peers.

This is the real tragedy - the young not being involved in it.

[wc98]

Harji said:

There are many other factors you can add to the Spanish economy (which is picking up), besides many Spanish work in Latin America as well.

You do realise that students get loans ? So you're not 'freakin' paying for it.

i live in scotland . very different way of funding uni places .
Scots 'losing out on university places to EU students'
Official figures suggest that the SNP's free tuition policy is backfiring on Scottish youngsters competing for a place at some of the most prestigious universities by attracting more students from the Continent.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityedu...

it's ok though, we charge the english .(note this is sarcasm for the literalists)

[Jimmyarm]

vonuber said:

This is the real tragedy - the young not being involved in it.

Thats because they would much rather moan and whinge like little bhes on facebook to seem like they are cool and trendy instead of getting up and voting when it counts.

My sister has just finished uni and some of the comments I am reading are quite frankly ridiculous, there are even persons moaning about it that didn't vote.

[Harji]

wc98 said:

i live in scotland . very different way of funding uni places .
Scots 'losing out on university places to EU students'
Official figures suggest that the SNP's free tuition policy is backfiring on Scottish youngsters competing for a place at some of the most prestigious universities by attracting more students from the Continent.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityedu...

it's ok though, we charge the english .(note this is sarcasm for the literalists)

There are problems everywhere, the charges of the English Uni's are attracting more foreign rich at the expense of our own.

[SpeckledJim]

vonuber said:

Patrick Bateman said:

Look at the nick of that. Young people moaning about the old can foxtrot oscar and look at their peers.

This is the real tragedy - the young not being involved in it.

If I may augment your correct assertion:

...the young choosing not to be involved in it.

30% of the young voted in.
10% of the young voted out.
60% of the young either had no opinion or could not muster the energy to tell us what it was.

No sympathy here.

[wc98]

Harji said:

wc98 said:

i live in scotland . very different way of funding uni places .
Scots 'losing out on university places to EU students'
Official figures suggest that the SNP's free tuition policy is backfiring on Scottish youngsters competing for a place at some of the most prestigious universities by attracting more students from the Continent.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityedu...

it's ok though, we charge the english .(note this is sarcasm for the literalists)

There are problems everywhere, the charges of the English Uni's are attracting more foreign rich at the expense of our own.

oh, that's ok then .

[davepoth]

vonuber said:

Patrick Bateman said:

Look at the nick of that. Young people moaning about the old can foxtrot oscar and look at their peers.

This is the real tragedy - the young not being involved in it.

That's the young's fault. Look into the demographics of the result and you can see that the regions with the most pensioners had the highest turnout - so the regions with the least pensioners had the lowest turnout.

In effect, the young were less likely to vote than the old. If we could ever work out the turnout by age I think we'd find that turnout by the young was rather low, and lower than you might expect from the wailing we have in the media. If they didn't want to get off their fat arses and vote they shouldn't expect any sympathy for being upset by the result.

[TLandCruiser]

Were the Scottish referendum results in 2014 not far closer than the UK vote?