Lots of angry people today.

[Patrick Bateman]

anonymous said:

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It's the young who are blaming the old in the first place.

[vonuber]

anonymous said:

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An interesting thing I've noticed is that 20 years ago I earnt £5.50/hr working a Saturday shift in Argos - 20 years later that is not even an option for a 16 year old, and if it was they'd probably be on a zero hour contract being paid less than the minimum wage of £3.79/hr!

Given that this is the result of successive Governments failure - and where on average around 60% of a vote in a constituency will be discarded - is it any wonder that the young are disengaged? They probably feel they can't change anything, and have no-one to vote for - and even if they did, due to our election system it would never work anyway.

[egor110]

Harji said:

There are many other factors you can add to the Spanish economy (which is picking up), besides many Spanish work in Latin America as well.

You do realise that students get loans ? So you're not 'freakin' paying for it.

Correct me if i'm wrong but you only pay the back the loan when your on 40k a year?

So somebody is paying for your education up front.

[anonymous-user]

So to summarise, people (remainers) are still angry and arrogant.

The leavers are still "xenophobic" and "uneducated"

[egor110]

anonymous said:

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A few weeks ago we were all being told how record amounts of young people were registering so they could stay in europe.

What happened ? was the whole story just a scare tactic to try and make brexiters think there would be no chance or could they just not be assed to get down the polling station?

[Patrick Bateman]

anonymous said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if a large percentage of the young blaming the old didn't even vote.

[Einion Yrth]

Patrick Bateman said:

anonymous said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if a large percentage of the young blaming the old didn't even vote.

I don't really care, those who did vote voted not to be part of the EU. Can we just get on with, you know, actually following the democratic will of the people?

[Patrick Bateman]

Einion Yrth said:

I don't really care, those who did vote voted not to be part of the EU. Can we just get on with, you know, actually following the democratic will of the people?

Not if the likes of David Lammy have anything to say, the massive .

[Einion Yrth]

anonymous said:

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No, no it really wouldn't. However I would manage to muster the self esteem necessary not to appear to be a whining little biatch like the remainders of this parish, and go back to campaigning for an independent UK, knowing however that this time only a parliamentary majority would serve.

[SpeckledJim]

Patrick Bateman said:

Not if the likes of David Lammy have anything to say, the massive .

I wonder who came second in the constituency that David Lammy won, and whether they are contemplating a sarcastic appeal.

[Kermit power]

bmw535i said:

Kermit power said:

Given the huge part our own politicians have had to say in royally fking up the Middle East over the last 70 years or so, I think it's bloody shameful that anyone had to put any pressure on for us to accept refugees, whether we're in the EU or not.

Ah, so it's our fault

Enough so that we should hang our heads in shame at not taking in a pitifully small number of refugees without being pressured to do so by the International (not just EU) community.

[basherX]

anonymous said:

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And, seriously, that's exactly why there won't be a general election on the change of Tory leader. We've reached saturation point for uncertainty. However, I would hope (as a leave voter) that, given the way the vote split, whoever takes over is balanced enough to build as broad a coalition as possible (Sturgeon has probably already disqualified herself) to work out what happens in practice. Given the division, I can't see this being a "hard" leave that just chucks up the shutters, there'll have to be some compromise. If there isn't the Tories will be out of power for a generation- I'm sure Boris, or whoever, recognises this.

[don'tbesilly]

bmw535i said:

So to summarise, people (remainers) are still angry and arrogant.

The leavers are still "xenophobic" and "uneducated"

and either pushing zimmer frames or being pushed in a wheelchair bemoaning that Werthers originals are going to cost far more now we won't be in the EU.

[Kermit power]

SpeckledJim said:

vonuber said:

Patrick Bateman said:

Look at the nick of that. Young people moaning about the old can foxtrot oscar and look at their peers.

This is the real tragedy - the young not being involved in it.

If I may augment your correct assertion:

...the young choosing not to be involved in it.

30% of the young voted in.
10% of the young voted out.
60% of the young either had no opinion or could not muster the energy to tell us what it was.

No sympathy here.

Even if they'd all voted, there just weren't enough of them to make a difference to the outcome, I don't think.

[Einion Yrth]

anonymous said:

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I hope you never have to, but I have no confidence in the integrity of the political classes. When/If it happens, will you have the balls to come back and apologise for that slur?

[basherX]

anonymous said:

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I'd respectfully disagree with all of that. We'll just have to wait and see on the election point but on the "it isn't up to us" point it absolutely IS up to us what we offer. It's a negotiation and it's not all one way. You shouldn't believe everything you read in the press.

[TheRocket]

Moose, just curious why if Blair could give up to Brown, (unelected) but a change in leadership in Conservatives would trigger a general election, sorry if its already been covered.

[s2art]

TheRocket said:

Moose, just curious why if Blair could give up to Brown, (unelected) but a change in leadership in Conservatives would trigger a general election, sorry if its already been covered.

And Thatcher to Major, Wilson to Callaghan etc.

[Einion Yrth]

s2art said:

TheRocket said:

Moose, just curious why if Blair could give up to Brown, (unelected) but a change in leadership in Conservatives would trigger a general election, sorry if its already been covered.

And Thatcher to Major, Wilson to Callaghan etc.

And all that before the fixed term parliament act made calling a G.E. a massive PITA.

[basherX]

s2art said:

TheRocket said:

Moose, just curious why if Blair could give up to Brown, (unelected) but a change in leadership in Conservatives would trigger a general election, sorry if its already been covered.

And Thatcher to Major, Wilson to Callaghan etc.

We don't have a presidential system.