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jjlynn27 said:
Mr Whippy said:
London424 said:
Not sure if posted...looks like investment in the UK to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36763212
We pay a company £3 billion and they do business here.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36763212
I'm sure any business would do business here if there is £3 billion of business being offered?
Mr GrimNasty said:
By the time, if ever(!), the EU had signed the US trade agreement, one thing is for sure, any trade like that Boeing deal would have been far more bureaucratic and vastly more expensive.
So in that respect, it is far better done outside the auspices of the EU regardless.
Ok - I thought he was referring to this deal and I had missed out swift exit from the EU this morning.So in that respect, it is far better done outside the auspices of the EU regardless.
It's been quite a busy news day, so I just needed to double check.
Mr GrimNasty said:
desolate said:
minimoog said:
You know what I mean smartarse 
I don't.What do you mean "impossible before Brexit"?
So in that respect, it is far better done outside the auspices of the EU regardless.
Under what trade agreement has the UK done this deal if not as a still-standing member of the EU?
Now forgive my confusion, but I thought the narrative here is that this kind of thing isn't really possible while we're members of the EU (protectionist bloc and all that), and we therefore needed Brexit to make this kind of thing happen. Yet here we are - still members of the EU, for now. And here is this deal - happened.
minimoog said:
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the UK has, as members of the EU, agreed this trade with a US company.
Under what trade agreement has the UK done this deal if not as a still-standing member of the EU?
Now forgive my confusion, but I thought the narrative here is that this kind of thing isn't really possible while we're members of the EU (protectionist bloc and all that), and we therefore needed Brexit to make this kind of thing happen. Yet here we are - still members of the EU, for now. And here is this deal - happened.
I don't think anyone has said what you are saying they said. Under what trade agreement has the UK done this deal if not as a still-standing member of the EU?
Now forgive my confusion, but I thought the narrative here is that this kind of thing isn't really possible while we're members of the EU (protectionist bloc and all that), and we therefore needed Brexit to make this kind of thing happen. Yet here we are - still members of the EU, for now. And here is this deal - happened.
On the contrary, I think Remain has been implying that it is only through continued EU membership that the Uk will be considered worth doing business with by non EU countries.
RizzoTheRat said:
jjlynn27 said:
Mr Whippy said:
London424 said:
Not sure if posted...looks like investment in the UK to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36763212
We pay a company £3 billion and they do business here.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36763212
I'm sure any business would do business here if there is £3 billion of business being offered?
http://stv.tv/news/north/1360325-boeing-to-build-1...
Boeing is to build a £100m facility for a new fleet of spy planes based in Scotland.
RAF Lossiemouth in Moray will be the home of the new fleet of nine P-8A Poseidon military aircraft the UK Government ordered last year.
The US plane-maker said the deal will make the UK its European base for the training, maintenance, repair and overhaul of fixed-wing and rotary platforms for the firm.
It also stated the expansion plans will effectively double the number of people it employs in the UK to around 4000.
Boeing also pledged to increase the bid opportunities it offers to UK suppliers in an attempt to double their work with the manufacturer.
The P-8A Poseidon planes, announced as part of the Strategic Defence and Security Review last November, will replace the UK's fleet of Nimrod surveillance aircraft which were based at RAF Kinloss until they were scrapped in 2010.
Prime Minister David Cameron said: "I want the UK to continue to be at the forefront of the global aerospace industry, both civil and defence.
"That's why I'm delighted that we can announce today a long-term strategic initiative with Boeing that will create thousands of jobs, secure investment in R&D and create opportunities for the supply chain, as well as delivering on our defence commitments.
"Boeing is one of the world's most respected aerospace companies. This long-term commitment shows the UK is open for business, and attractive for investment."
Boeing chairman Dennis Muilenburg said: "Boeing is committed to the UK Government's prosperity agenda and we share the goals of enhanced economic growth that the Prime Minister has set out to us."
Edited by Sylvaforever on Monday 11th July 14:19
minimoog said:
andymadmak said:
On the contrary, I think Remain has been implying that it is only through continued EU membership that the Uk will be considered worth doing business with by non EU countries.
Seriously though....is this not one of Remains arguments? That outside the EU the UK will be a small unit (and thus not as attractive a proposition to set about constructing a special trade deal with) compared to UK within the EU?
andymadmak said:
Seriously though....is this not one of Remains arguments? That outside the EU the UK will be a small unit (and thus not as attractive a proposition to set about constructing a special trade deal with) compared to UK within the EU?
Yes. But is it not the case that this deal has been mooted, proposed, agreed, signed, and sealed all while we're members of the EU?Or did they manage to do all that over the course of the last 12 days?
Remember this news was touted as mocking Obama's warning that UK would be back of the queue dealing with the US post-Brexit.
Sylvaforever said:
RizzoTheRat said:
jjlynn27 said:
Mr Whippy said:
London424 said:
Not sure if posted...looks like investment in the UK to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36763212
We pay a company £3 billion and they do business here.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36763212
I'm sure any business would do business here if there is £3 billion of business being offered?
http://stv.tv/news/north/1360325-boeing-to-build-1...
That isn't Boeing investing in the UK, that's the UK giving Boeing money to make something here. Boeing wouldn't be doing business here unless it makes financial sense to do so.
That financial motive is paid for by the UK tax payer.
If this was Boeing making P8s here to sell here and also around the world then that would be quite different.
minimoog said:
andymadmak said:
Seriously though....is this not one of Remains arguments? That outside the EU the UK will be a small unit (and thus not as attractive a proposition to set about constructing a special trade deal with) compared to UK within the EU?
Yes. But is it not the case that this deal has been mooted, proposed, agreed, signed, and sealed all while we're members of the EU?Or did they manage to do all that over the course of the last 12 days?
Remember this news was touted as mocking Obama's warning that UK would be back of the queue dealing with the US post-Brexit.
And Obamas back of the queue warning has already been comprehensively binned by his own sec of state.
andymadmak said:
Yes but they still signed it, even after we said we were leaving.
Of course they did. The deal is the UK paying them to make planes for the UK in the UK.Europe doesn't come into it. So why in Brexit terms is it even noteworthy? The only aspect of note I can see is that us being members of the EU didn't hinder it happening in any way.
Sylvaforever said:
I don't think the UK MOD will be building Boeing's European maintenance hub somehow.
Given that at the moment the UK are the only European customer for the P-8 so far military customers for a maintenance hub are going to be limited. If they're looking at doing civilian airliner maintenance at the same location then the MoD paying them build a facility there is a good incentive for them to put in a bit of investment to expand it.
Interestingly it seems we're buying AH-64E's outright from Boeing this time, last time they were modified and assembled by Westland in the UK.
Edited by RizzoTheRat on Monday 11th July 14:42
minimoog said:
andymadmak said:
Yes but they still signed it, even after we said we were leaving.
Europe doesn't come into it. So why in Brexit terms is it even noteworthy? The only aspect of note I can see is that us being members of the EU didn't hinder it happening in any way.Was it not you who said
minimoog said:
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the UK has, as members of the EU, agreed this trade with a US company.
Under what trade agreement has the UK done this deal if not as a still-standing member of the EU?
Now forgive my confusion, but I thought the narrative here is that this kind of thing isn't really possible while we're members of the EU (protectionist bloc and all that), and we therefore needed Brexit to make this kind of thing happen. Yet here we are - still members of the EU, for now. And here is this deal - happened.
you seemed to be implying that Brexiters were claiming that this deal was one in the eye for the EU and Obama because it was don after BrexitUnder what trade agreement has the UK done this deal if not as a still-standing member of the EU?
Now forgive my confusion, but I thought the narrative here is that this kind of thing isn't really possible while we're members of the EU (protectionist bloc and all that), and we therefore needed Brexit to make this kind of thing happen. Yet here we are - still members of the EU, for now. And here is this deal - happened.
You also seemed to be implying that since the deal was done whilst the UK was part of the EU then it was a demonstration of EU membership brings
I responded that they signed the deal anyway
You respond by asking what the relevance of the EU is to the deal ....
So I am confused. Are we saying the same thing?
Namely that the deal does not support the arguments of either the Remain or the Brexit camps? 
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