Independence for London

[TwigtheWonderkid]

MrBrightSi said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I feel I have more in common with Parisians, Berliners etc than I do with the good folk of Burnley.

How sad and petty a thing to say. Congrats, you guys in the city sure do put us countryside folk in our place. Sorry for not understanding the insane complexities of urban life.

That's ok, don't beat yourself up over it.

[hedgefinder]

AyBee said:

The rest of the country would be absolutely f*cked without London and the EU...

yes, London would do massively well without the financial input from the rest of the country... not to mention them having to pay to have any fresh produce imported to London...
wait a mo... I forgot they have the rooftop gardens dont they..

[CaptainHogseye]

MrBrightSi said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I feel I have more in common with Parisians, Berliners etc than I do with the good folk of Burnley.

How sad and petty a thing to say. Congrats, you guys in the city sure do put us countryside folk in our place. Sorry for not understanding the insane complexities of urban life.

I was once told to think of the M25 as a toilet seat with everything inside it been likened to the contents of a toilet after a particularly bad eating experience.

[paulrockliffe]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

paulrockliffe said:

I can't tell if you're being serious or not, but have you considered that an independent London would have a land border with the UK and only the UK? Or that all the military power resides outside of London? The rest of the country would shut you off and starve you out and it's a long way for Scotland to come to your rescue.

I will use the same argument the leave campaign has used. The rest of the UK will be desperate to do business with us once we leave, because we're so rich and our streets are paved with gold. We will sign advantageous trade agreements with farmers from the rest of the UK.

It's an interesting abstract discussion, but you don't honestly believe a move to leave the UK would be a success? Most of your productive people wooldn't be able to get back in, the navy would block the Thames and the RAF would stop anything coming in and out of Heathrow. We've got the trains covered too.

To sensationalist for you? Maybe have a look at whether London is self sufficient in energy and food, then work from there.

[blindswelledrat]

I feel quite strongly about doing this too (provided we include any remain areas just around)
I am also more than happy to use some of our massive savings to care for the Scots as well as it seems we are likeminded, even if they are very poor.

[Rollin]

Orchid1 said:

And then what, you don't like whoever is put in charge of an independent London's policies so you push for your street to become independent and then your own house?

I don't get it how people really struggle with the fact that not everyone has the same opinion as them.

The majority voted to leave, it's a democratic vote. Whether it's for better or for worse we'll just have to wait and see.

Ironic

[TeamD]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

TeamD said:

LOL! And where, pray, would you have the border? Not sure you'll get to keep Heathrow

Heathrow is wholly in London Borough of Hillingdon. It belongs to London. We get to keep that. We'll have a border, and be like Lesotho, but with flashier cars and stuff.

Not if we don't let you, you won't

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I will use the same argument the leave campaign has used. The rest of the UK will be desperate to do business with us once we leave, because we're so rich and our streets are paved with golddog ste, tramps & dead cyclists. We will sign advantageous trade agreements with farmers from the rest of the UK.

EFA, but if you must can you ensure that you take Bod Geldoff with you?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

paulrockliffe said:

It's an interesting abstract discussion, but you don't honestly believe a move to leave the UK would be a success? Most of your productive people wooldn't be able to get back in, the navy would block the Thames and the RAF would stop anything coming in and out of Heathrow. We've got the trains covered too.

To sensationalist for you? Maybe have a look at whether London is self sufficient in energy and food, then work from there.

You don't need to be self sufficient in energy or food if you can afford to import them. And without London's money, you won't have an RAF or Navy. So you can forget that idea. We'll be able to fund our own though. But we would probably do a deal with he rest of the UK to keep the armed forces. Just making sure you pay your fair proportion for a change.

Railways are no problem. We run trains to France you know. Trains can run across borders.

[Catweazle]

Who maintains the track?

[LeighW]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

If Scotland gets another referendum because they don't want to be dragged out of the EU against their will, why can't we have the same in London.

We've voted overwhelmingly in favour of staying in. I'm pretty sure we could go it alone. I suspect the wealth generated in London subsidises most of the rest of the country anyway. I feel I have more in common with Parisians, Berliners etc than I do with the good folk of Burnley.

So what about it Londoners? Let's get out and leave the rest of the UK to it.

Crikey, what's the matter? Your skinny mocha frappuccino not very good this morning?

[mwstewart]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

If Scotland gets another referendum because they don't want to be dragged out of the EU against their will, why can't we have the same in London.

We've voted overwhelmingly in favour of staying in. I'm pretty sure we could go it alone. I suspect the wealth generated in London subsidises most of the rest of the country anyway. I feel I have more in common with Parisians, Berliners etc than I do with the good folk of Burnley.

So what about it Londoners? Let's get out and leave the rest of the UK to it.

How very magnanimous of you. Whatever you think of the vote it was democracy in action. Desiring a splintered England absolutely flies in the face of that as far as I am concerned. A very short sighted approach – traitorous really.

I'm a Londoner and find the idea laughable.

[jshell]

London's attitude to the rest of the UK population seems to be akin to Stalin's view of the 'proles', to be honest. It's a symbiotic relationship, but they go on thinking they would survive on their own.

Sure, go for it, we'll be fine.

[paulrockliffe]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

paulrockliffe said:

It's an interesting abstract discussion, but you don't honestly believe a move to leave the UK would be a success? Most of your productive people wooldn't be able to get back in, the navy would block the Thames and the RAF would stop anything coming in and out of Heathrow. We've got the trains covered too.

To sensationalist for you? Maybe have a look at whether London is self sufficient in energy and food, then work from there.

You don't need to be self sufficient in energy or food if you can afford to import them. And without London's money, you won't have an RAF or Navy. So you can forget that idea. We'll be able to fund our own though. But we would probably do a deal with he rest of the UK to keep the armed forces. Just making sure you pay your fair proportion for a change.

Railways are no problem. We run trains to France you know. Trains can run across borders.

You're clearly missing the point. All of what you propose is reliant on access to the rUK, that isn't going to happen. If you want to burn the rest of the country, they will make sure you burn with us.

You don't have anything except computers, numbers on a screen and tall buildings. Christ, you won't even have the internet to coordinate your response. London is toast without the rest of the UK.

I'm sure you're joking though?

[Ian Geary]

paulrockliffe said:

the navy would block the Thames and the RAF would stop anything coming in and out of Heathrow.

Why on earth would they do that?

This scenario hasn't suggested this split is done by force. Did people suggest we'd blockage Scotland if they voted leave? No, they didn't.

I would have thought people would have had thier fill of scaremongering over the last few months, without indulging in it further on these pages.

London's economy is far and away the most productive part of the UK, although the flip side is that this creates severe pressure for it's large number or residents.

I imagine Londoners would simply purchase food, energy and security from the rest of the UK.

At what price - that's impossible to say.

It has it's own regiments, a small naval presence - but as with Scotland, the nuclear deterrant would be tricky (though it could just declare itself a nuclear free zone, and sidestep the issue).


Ian

[ATG]

LimaDelta said:

If nothing else the referendum shows (yet again) the discord between London, and by extension of that Westminster and the London-centric media, how out of touch they are with the rest of the UK.

It's always worth remembering that London's population is bigger than either Scotland or Wales and that it subsidises the rest of the country. So perhaps London isn't the problem in this relationship?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

paulrockliffe said:

You're clearly missing the point. All of what you propose is reliant on access to the rUK, that isn't going to happen. If you want to burn the rest of the country, they will make sure you burn with us.

If the EU will (so we've been told) be happy to trade with the UK now we've voted to leave, because they want to sell us stuff and they want to buy stuff from us, why wouldn't the UK want to trade with London for the same reasons?

[minimoog]

mwstewart said:

traitorous really.

For a bunch of supposedly deliriously happy folk at the dawn of your new Golden Age, you certainly lack a sense of humour.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Catweazle said:

Who maintains the track?

Who maintains the tracks of all the lines that run into Switzerland from other countries?

I guess London would maintain the tracks in London, and the rest of the UK will maintain their tracks.

I don't think this is a deal breaker.

[mattmurdock]

paulrockliffe said:

You're clearly missing the point. All of what you propose is reliant on access to the EU, that isn't going to happen. If you want to burn the rest of Europe, they will make sure you burn with us.

You don't have anything except computers, numbers on a screen and tall buildings. Christ, you won't even have the internet to coordinate your response. The UK is toast without the rest of the EU.

I'm sure you're joking though?

EFIA

[Digga]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I suspect the wealth generated in London subsidises most of the rest of the country anyway. I feel I have more in common with Parisians, Berliners etc than I do with the good folk of Burnley.

In two sentences there you sum up why the feeling is mutual.

Step out of the bubble and you'll soon see why the 'common people' don't cleave to the ideals of the insulated and insular inner M25.