Independence for London

[Zigster]

paulrockliffe said:

It's an interesting abstract discussion, but you don't honestly believe a move to leave the UK would be a success? Most of your productive people wooldn't be able to get back in, the navy would block the Thames and the RAF would stop anything coming in and out of Heathrow. We've got the trains covered too.

To sensationalist for you? Maybe have a look at whether London is self sufficient in energy and food, then work from there.

So are you expecting Europe to blockade us now? Stop everything coming across the Channel?

We'll lose Scotland from the UK, there's a fair chance NI will go too. Why not London? Let the North rule itself - many Northerners would be happy to shoot themselves in the foot even more by getting rid of that there London (maybe include the Home Counties as well). Winter is Coming.

[Garybee]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I feel I have more in common with Parisians, Berliners etc than I do with the good folk of Burnley.

So what about it Londoners? Let's get out and leave the rest of the UK to it.

Pack your bags and move there then.

[paulrockliffe]

Zigster said:

paulrockliffe said:

It's an interesting abstract discussion, but you don't honestly believe a move to leave the UK would be a success? Most of your productive people wooldn't be able to get back in, the navy would block the Thames and the RAF would stop anything coming in and out of Heathrow. We've got the trains covered too.

To sensationalist for you? Maybe have a look at whether London is self sufficient in energy and food, then work from there.

So are you expecting Europe to blockade us now? Stop everything coming across the Channel?

We'll lose Scotland from the UK, there's a fair chance NI will go too. Why not London? Let the North rule itself - many Northerners would be happy to shoot themselves in the foot even more by getting rid of that there London (maybe include the Home Counties as well). Winter is Coming.

I told you why not. The rest of the country isn't going to vote for it and anything unilateral will result in London being cut-off by the rest of the country. I don't think you understand just how daft a suggestion this is or how it would play out nationally. It's proper civil war stuff.

Scotland and NI aren't going to vote to leave for all sorts of reasons, not least that they won't be allowed a referendum until a good bit after the EU stuff is resolved because there's too much important stuff going on right now. Scotland won't vote to leave, they only need 300,000 EUists to realise they're not getting back in the EU that way anyway. The map was all yellow, but there was still 40% voting to leave.

It doesn't matter if the EU (You mean France surely?) don't block anything, we can do that ourselves perfectly well.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

mattmurdock said:

paulrockliffe said:

You're clearly missing the point. All of what you propose is reliant on access to the EU, that isn't going to happen. If you want to burn the rest of Europe, they will make sure you burn with us.

You don't have anything except computers, numbers on a screen and tall buildings. Christ, you won't even have the internet to coordinate your response. The UK is toast without the rest of the EU.

I'm sure you're joking though?

EFIA

The irony is amazing. We've stuck two fingers up to the EU, but have been told that it won't matter, and trade will continue as before, they need us.

But the suggestion that London might stick two fingers up to the rest of the UK, and suddenly it's a different matter. "you will be toast, we'll burn you, go fk yourself, we'll blockage you and starve you."



People are happy to do the rejecting, but get very annoyed at the idea of being rejected.

[crankedup]

I voted for leave, naturally I am enjoying this mornings result of the referendum. However, at the back of my mind is a strange notion, influenced from hearing far too much 'in' argument, that the Germans and Italians will no longer export their lovely cars to the U.K..
Can't imagine all of those swanky London dealerships not being able to sell products to wealthy City workers.

[paulrockliffe]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

mattmurdock said:

paulrockliffe said:

You're clearly missing the point. All of what you propose is reliant on access to the EU, that isn't going to happen. If you want to burn the rest of Europe, they will make sure you burn with us.

You don't have anything except computers, numbers on a screen and tall buildings. Christ, you won't even have the internet to coordinate your response. The UK is toast without the rest of the EU.

I'm sure you're joking though?

EFIA

The irony is amazing. We've stuck two fingers up to the EU, but have been told that it won't matter, and trade will continue as before, they need us.

But the suggestion that London might stick two fingers up to the rest of the UK, and suddenly it's a different matter. "you will be toast, we'll burn you, go fk yourself, we'll blockage you and starve you."



People are happy to do the rejecting, but get very annoyed at the idea of being rejected.

Come on. This thread is entirely in jest surely?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

paulrockliffe said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

mattmurdock said:

paulrockliffe said:

You're clearly missing the point. All of what you propose is reliant on access to the EU, that isn't going to happen. If you want to burn the rest of Europe, they will make sure you burn with us.

You don't have anything except computers, numbers on a screen and tall buildings. Christ, you won't even have the internet to coordinate your response. The UK is toast without the rest of the EU.

I'm sure you're joking though?

EFIA

The irony is amazing. We've stuck two fingers up to the EU, but have been told that it won't matter, and trade will continue as before, they need us.

But the suggestion that London might stick two fingers up to the rest of the UK, and suddenly it's a different matter. "you will be toast, we'll burn you, go fk yourself, we'll blockage you and starve you."



People are happy to do the rejecting, but get very annoyed at the idea of being rejected.

Come on. This thread is entirely in jest surely?

My OP was slightly tongue in cheek I admit, and I wasn't being entirely serious, but I think much of the anger towards the idea of London rejecting the rest of the UK is sadly entirely serious.

But it hasn't crossed their minds that rest of Europe might have the same resentment towards the UK as they have towards an independent London.

Quite enlightening.

[ZOLLAR]

All this thread has done is highlight the need that London has for the rest of the UK and vice versa.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

ZOLLAR said:

All this thread has done is highlight the need that London has for the rest of the UK and vice versa.

I agree. Which is why we'd both work together if London was an Independent city state. Think Vatican City, but without god.

Apparently 8000 people have signed a petition for Sadiq Khan to declare London independent and start negotiations for us to remain in.

I am not alone!

[MiniMan64]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

ZOLLAR said:

All this thread has done is highlight the need that London has for the rest of the UK and vice versa.

I agree. Which is why we'd both work together if London was an Independent city state. Think Vatican City, but without god.

Apparently 8000 people have signed a petition for Sadiq Khan to declare London independent and start negotiations for us to remain in.

I am not alone!

8000 out of what, 10,000,000?

[ATG]

ZOLLAR said:

All this thread has done is highlight the need that London has for the rest of the UK and vice versa.

London needs the rest of the UK in the same way that I need a supermarket. As a consumer the boot is on my foot.

Hong Kong and Singapore are clear proof that city states can be exceedingly successful as centres for international services industries. London already has that exact same business model. It could easily go it alone economically.

Clearly there's no serious appetite for it, and I hope it never happens, but if Londoners really did have an appetite to break away from the rest of the UK, who are the rest of us to tell them they can't?

[KrissKross]

Isn't London's population something like 60%+ foreigners anyway, not sure how many had the right to vote exactly based on 1st, 2nd generation etc..

Also many of the wealthy don't live in London, its only 30 mins on a train out to Herts - Beds.

[SPS]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

paulrockliffe said:

I can't tell if you're being serious or not, but have you considered that an independent London would have a land border with the UK and only the UK? Or that all the military power resides outside of London? The rest of the country would shut you off and starve you out and it's a long way for Scotland to come to your rescue.

I will use the same argument the leave campaign has used. The rest of the UK will be desperate to do business with us once we leave, because we're so rich and our streets are paved with gold. We will sign advantageous trade agreements with farmers from the rest of the UK.

Great idea - at least you can keep all the Russian oligarchs who pay so much in taxes and help to keep house prices down!
Oh and don't forget the uber rich Chinese who help keep the high end retailers in business too, lmao.
Now here is your dichotomy - as most of these luminaries avoid/evade paying tax who will finance your public services from NHS (paid for by taxes) - infrastructure (paid for by taxes/rates). How will you be able to find never mind afford a property.
Also remember many London based companies have or are moving out of London because of the costings etc.
But you will be fine because those paragons of virtue and generosity will come to your aid - who are they I hear you say.
The city financiers who else.
So again I say you will be fine and the rest of us will be eternally greatful - simplesssssssssss

[Just an old porsche fan]

You may have the bank offices in London however us northerners have their data centers. Therfore due to data protection act you can't access your account outside of the UK.

Enjoy your independent London

[SPS]

ATG said:

ZOLLAR said:

All this thread has done is highlight the need that London has for the rest of the UK and vice versa.

London needs the rest of the UK in the same way that I need a supermarket. As a consumer the boot is on my foot.

Hong Kong and Singapore are clear proof that city states can be exceedingly successful as centres for international services industries. London already has that exact same business model. It could easily go it alone economically.

Clearly there's no serious appetite for it, and I hope it never happens, but if Londoners really did have an appetite to break away from the rest of the UK, who are the rest of us to tell them they can't?

Yep agreed but whatever you do - don't let the Chinese government get to hear of that as they may decide to do a take over.............

[rog007]

Just an old porsche fan said:

You may have the bank offices in London however us northerners have their data centers. Therfore due to data protection act you can't access your account outside of the UK.

Enjoy your independent London

[youngsyr]

Just an old porsche fan said:

You may have the bank offices in London however us northerners have their data centers. Therfore due to data protection act you can't access your account outside of the UK.

Enjoy your independent London

8.00am, Day 1 in Independent London: Data Protection Act amended.

8.01am, Day 1 in Independent London: "Hello India, London calling..."

Edited by youngsyr on Friday 24th June 12:31

[heebeegeetee]

What percentage of London's workers live outside London?

[anonymous-user]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

TeamD said:

LOL! And where, pray, would you have the border? Not sure you'll get to keep Heathrow

Heathrow is wholly in London Borough of Hillingdon. It belongs to London. We get to keep that. We'll have a border, and be like Lesotho, but with flashier cars and stuff.

Why not just fk off to Paris or Berlin if that's what you feel you have more in common with?

[bloomen]

I think we need to launch preemptive strikes against London before this idea gets off the ground. The nukes are at Aldermaston so a PH convoy down there should be put together.