2nd Referendum please - I don't like how that one panned out

[jonnyb]

sidicks said:

jonnyb said:

Ha! Very good!
Read it, preferred the movie though.

Too many words in the book you didn't understand?

No pictures, and I preferred John Hurts acting.

[JawKnee]

wc98 said:

JawKnee said:

Farage (and many on here I should add) said he'd push for a second referendum if leave lost by a narrow margin. Why can't the same apply the other way around. Hypocritical much?

he is just as much a clown for stating that as the sore assed losers such as your self . democracy at work chum, get over it, chin up , onwards and upwards etc.

I haven't "stated" that. All I'm highlighting is the ridiculous hypocrisy from the leave side who were already talking about pushing for another referendum before this one had even finished. And now they have the cheek to call other people undemocratic. Hahaha, give me strength.

[toerag]

Deadline 25 November 2016 All petitions run for 6 months

Article 50 in action, October at the latest?

[JawKnee]

sidicks said:

jonnyb said:

Sometimes the truth hurts.

A quick scan through the newspapers will show you who in the world is rejoicing at this result.
That is who you have aligned our country with.

Nonsense - I'm sorry you don't like or understand democracy!

52% of those who bothered to vote are 'rejoicing'. Those on the losing said are just whinging!

Sounds like a few of those 52% are already regretting it. Morons.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/man-who-voted-for-le...

[don4l]

Here is an idea.

Why don't we have a referendum asking the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland if they want to remain in a Union with Scotland?

I'm sure that everybody would be happy with the result.

[sidicks]

JawKnee said:

Sounds like a few of those 52% are already regretting it. Morons.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/man-who-voted-for-le...

Statistically there will be morons on both sides.

There's only sore losers on one side though!

[Robertj21a]

JawKnee said:

Sounds like a few of those 52% are already regretting it. Morons.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/man-who-voted-for-le...

You do realise that 'a few of those 52%' will still be about 52% - i.e still way more than 1m people over the Remain vote.

[gadgetmac]

CAPP0 said:

And that's another thing. It's not two years since the Scots voted to remain part of the UK. Not "part of the UK except the things we don't like" (although they already have their own parliament covering that aspect). It was a UK Referendum, not four separate England, Ireland, Wales, Scotland referenda. So, once again, the result is the result. Sturgeon is just trying to make sure she keeps her own personal profile in the public eye.

My family are Scottish and all voted to stay a part of the UK on the promise that it was only by staying a part of the UK that they could remain a part of the EU as the EU would not accept Scotland into its ranks should they vote for independence and this was all but confirmed by Manuel Barroso who said it would be "extremely difficult, if not impossible" for an independent Scotland to join the European Union.

Fast forward to 2 years later and they've clearly been betrayed. They are now out of the EU despite voting to remain part of the UK on the promise of continued membership of the EU.

Every Scot I know will now be voting to leave the UK and in a second (and justified) referendum there will be a landslide vote to leave the UK.

What's good for the goose etc etc.

The little Englanders will now get what they want, a little England on the global stage. You have poisoned the relationship with Scotland for vast numbers of Scots who voted to stay a part of the UK. Pretty soon you'll be feeling how Europe is feeling today and you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves as they roll out the same arguments you rolled out to break from the EU. They can survive without you and especially if they are able to get back into Europe as I'm sure the EU will be more than willing to allow if only to 'seal' you into a reduced and diminished UK.

[wc98]

JawKnee said:

wc98 said:

JawKnee said:

Farage (and many on here I should add) said he'd push for a second referendum if leave lost by a narrow margin. Why can't the same apply the other way around. Hypocritical much?

he is just as much a clown for stating that as the sore assed losers such as your self . democracy at work chum, get over it, chin up , onwards and upwards etc.

I haven't "stated" that. All I'm highlighting is the ridiculous hypocrisy from the leave side who were already talking about pushing for another referendum before this one had even finished. And now they have the cheek to call other people undemocratic. Hahaha, give me strength.

no, you are highlighting something farage said. farage was not part of the official leave campaign . he was a clown for saying that .

[sidicks]

gadgetmac said:

My family are Scottish and all voted to stay a part of the UK on the promise that it was only by staying a part of the UK that they could remain a part of the EU as the EU would not accept Scotland into its ranks should they vote for independence and this was all but confirmed by Manuel Barroso who said it would be "extremely difficult, if not impossible" for an independent Scotland to join the European Union.

Fast forward to 2 years later and they've clearly been betrayed. They are now out of the EU despite voting to remain part of the UK on the promise of continued membership of the EU.

No betrayal, just an evolving democracy - wasn't the future EU referendum known about before you voted in the Scottish referendum?

gadgetmac said:

Every Scot I know will now be voting to leave the UK and in a second (and justified) referendum there will be a landslide vote to leave the UK.

With Oil at <$45 a barrel, good luck with that!

And you still won't be in the EU!

gadgetmac said:

The little Englanders will now get what they want, a little England on the global stage. You have poisoned the relationship with Scotland for vast numbers of Scots who voted to stay a part of the UK. Pretty soon you'll be feeling how Europe is feeling today and you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves as they roll out the same arguments you rolled out to break from the EU. They can survive without you and especially if they are able to get back into Europe as I'm sure the EU will be more than willing to allow if only to 'seal' you into a reduced and diminished UK.

Edited by sidicks on Saturday 25th June 16:21

Edited by sidicks on Saturday 25th June 16:21

[wc98]

gadgetmac said:

Every Scot I know will now be voting to leave the UK and in a second (and justified) referendum there will be a landslide vote to leave the UK.

i hope the bookies are thinking like that as well. another opportunity for a flutter with decent odds.

[davey68]

From what I understand Scotland would have to apply for EU membership, sign up to the euro, agree to all their legal BS to be allowed in. Scotland is heavily reliant on oil and it's not only $45/barrel it will run out. I don't want Scotland to leave one bit, but honestly I don't think their economy is strong enough to go it alone. Don't forget the free uni fees, prescriptions etc have to be paid for. I'm sorry but who in their right mind would sign up to the eurozone now?

[gadgetmac]

What, you think Scotland will vote this time to stay a part of the UK. You're just not paying attention. You've handed Sturgeon the gun.

Edited by gadgetmac on Saturday 25th June 16:29

[sidicks]

gadgetmac said:

What, you think Scotland will vote this time to stay a part of the UK. You're just not paying attention.

They can't afford not to - they need our subsidies!

[V8LM]

Sturgeon is rightly bricking herself as I doubt Scotland would qualify from EU membership, their economy is a basket case, and the SNP raison d'être of independence will see them having to negotiate trading deals with everyone, including the Sassenachs, with nothing worth selling.

[WinstonWolf]

gadgetmac said:

What, you think Scotland will vote this time to stay a part of the UK. You're just not paying attention.

Which referendum that you don't like the result of would you like repeated?

[Mr_B]

gadgetmac said:

My family are Scottish and all voted to stay a part of the UK on the promise that it was only by staying a part of the UK that they could remain a part of the EU as the EU would not accept Scotland into its ranks should they vote for independence and this was all but confirmed by Manuel Barroso who said it would be "extremely difficult, if not impossible" for an independent Scotland to join the European Union.

Fast forward to 2 years later and they've clearly been betrayed. They are now out of the EU despite voting to remain part of the UK on the promise of continued membership of the EU.

Every Scot I know will now be voting to leave the UK and in a second (and justified) referendum there will be a landslide vote to leave the UK.

What's good for the goose etc etc.

The little Englanders will now get what they want, a little England on the global stage. You have poisoned the relationship with Scotland for vast numbers of Scots who voted to stay a part of the UK. Pretty soon you'll be feeling how Europe is feeling today and you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves as they roll out the same arguments you rolled out to break from the EU. They can survive without you and especially if they are able to get back into Europe as I'm sure the EU will be more than willing to allow if only to 'seal' you into a reduced and diminished UK.

Can you explain that knowing there was a referendum was in the offing which could go either way, why this was a guarantee of anything ?
I'm sorry you placed your bet on hoping on what you wanted, but surely you must have known this was an option and had to therefore vote accordingly and take that chance and accept the outcome.

[gadgetmac]

sidicks said:

gadgetmac said:

What, you think Scotland will vote this time to stay a part of the UK. You're just not paying attention.

They can't afford not to - they need our subsidies!

Yeah and the UK 'needs' the EU. Oh wait a minute.

They'll vote out regardless of all your "they can't afford to" stuff. Just like you've done in fact.

[sidicks]

gadgetmac said:

Yeah and the UK 'needs' the EU. Oh wait a minute.

Your not very good at this are you? The UK is a net contributor to the EU.

gadgetmac said:

They'll vote out regardless of all your "they can't afford to" stuff. Just like you've done in fact.

Thus making us even better off - what's the problem?!

[John145]

gadgetmac said:

Yeah and the UK 'needs' the EU. Oh wait a minute.

They'll vote out regardless of all your "they can't afford to" stuff. Just like you've done in fact.

Once the dust settles and Scotland have a referendum they'll realise the eu doesn't want them and the uk's prospects are flourishing despite the SNPs hate.