2nd Referendum please - I don't like how that one panned out
Discussion
lionelf said:
Playing devils advocate: What if we don't get a good Trade deal from the EU? What if they say that in order to get what WE might consider a fair/good deal then Open Borders to the UK must remain and there would have to be a significant contribution to EU coffers from the UK? Yes we'd be back in 'control' of our own destiny from a democratic point of view but would these changed circumstances be justification for a 2nd referendum?
We already do not get a good trade deal from the EU, The UK pays the EU 10 billion plus pounds a year before the EU will even `allow' the UK to trade with the EU. It then proceeds to sell the UK more of its goods, and services, than the UK sells into the EU, So we are paying 10 billion plus pounds a year to the EU to get shafted in the balance of trade situation with the EU. Some however seem to think that is a `great deal' for the UK??Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Monday 27th June 12:56
AJS- said:
lionelf said:
Playing devils advocate: What if we don't get a good Trade deal from the EU? What if they say that in order to get what WE might consider a fair/good deal then Open Borders to the UK must remain and there would have to be a significant contribution to EU coffers from the UK? Yes we'd be back in 'control' of our own destiny from a democratic point of view but would these changed circumstances be justification for a 2nd referendum?
I believe they will blink in that scenario. They already have a customs union with Turkey meaning free trade in goods without free movement, so it can be done. Some fairly liberal, reciprocal system of work and residency permits could be worked out, it's not rocket science. They would be utterly insane to erect tariff barriers which no-one really wants if offered this obviously sensible choice, and we would be utterly mad to continue with unfettered free movement of EU citizens given the result of last week's poll.
The Don of Croy said:
Oh bugger - I've just realised that following my error last Thursday I'm gonna get reamed in August by those dastardly roaming charges when in France...
...is it too late to amend my vote?
(Are roaming charges still trending?)
I think you will find that for now we are still part of the EU and both parties are expected to keep up their obligations. I would assume that this will last until August. No need to amend your vote for a couple of years, and in that time a lot could happen to re-affirm your vote too....is it too late to amend my vote?
(Are roaming charges still trending?)
gumshoe said:
I know someone who's looking likely to lose about £4m-6m off the value of their business once we leave the EU....
He voted out, knowingly (had an impact assessment done). Why? Because democracy is more important.
People should now be realising that those supporting remain (and the EU) are so indoctrinated that they do not believe in democracy, which is exactly the reason many people wanted to leave. They are in fact, dangerous minded people.
Absolutely this. I voted 'Leave' even though I knew the potential threat to the relatively small amount of savings that I have - because, as I said to a 'remain' friend, what price would YOU put on democracy? He voted out, knowingly (had an impact assessment done). Why? Because democracy is more important.
People should now be realising that those supporting remain (and the EU) are so indoctrinated that they do not believe in democracy, which is exactly the reason many people wanted to leave. They are in fact, dangerous minded people.
MikeT66 said:
Absolutely this. I voted 'Leave' even though I knew the potential threat to the relatively small amount of savings that I have - because, as I said to a 'remain' friend, what price would YOU put on democracy?
Spot on.The price for some is tuppence ha'penny but then they must think the EU is democracy emobodied in a supranational fairy godmother to want to be in it a second longer than necessary.
Newc said:
Please sign this new petition:
We the undersigned demand a re-run of the 1997 UK general election. It is quite clear that had the electorate been fully informed of the consequences of their vote they would have voted differently. Fact.
In particular: illegal invasions in the Middle East; the consequent propaganda gift to Jihadi groups; the increase in public spending so far ahead of tax receipts that nearly 20 years later we are still trying to balance the annual deficit let alone reduce the accumulated debt; and joining the euro.
To be fair the 'join the euro' thing worked out well despite the BBC, Guardian, FT, Economist, investment banks, and eleventy billion academics all saying that not joining was a disaster that would isolate the UK from Europe and leave the UK economy in the dust as a glorious united Europe salied away from us and all the jobs worth having moved to Frankfurt.
This petition reluctantly admits that perhaps a bunch of illiterate northern proles working in t' mills to raise their whippets on a diet of gruel might sometimes have a valid opinion.
We the undersigned demand a re-run of the 1997 UK general election. It is quite clear that had the electorate been fully informed of the consequences of their vote they would have voted differently. Fact.
In particular: illegal invasions in the Middle East; the consequent propaganda gift to Jihadi groups; the increase in public spending so far ahead of tax receipts that nearly 20 years later we are still trying to balance the annual deficit let alone reduce the accumulated debt; and joining the euro.
To be fair the 'join the euro' thing worked out well despite the BBC, Guardian, FT, Economist, investment banks, and eleventy billion academics all saying that not joining was a disaster that would isolate the UK from Europe and leave the UK economy in the dust as a glorious united Europe salied away from us and all the jobs worth having moved to Frankfurt.
This petition reluctantly admits that perhaps a bunch of illiterate northern proles working in t' mills to raise their whippets on a diet of gruel might sometimes have a valid opinion.
People unable to predict the future shocker!
TX.
Dr Jekyll said:
Suppose the UK govt did decide to forget about leaving, what do you think the EU would do? Stay frozen exactly at the status quo? No they would continue the process of integration. charge us millions more, and eliminate our opt outs.
The government already has the mandate to leave. That would hang over Brussels in any negotiations.
(Jeez I'm starting to sound like a Brexiter!)
Dr Jekyll said:
Suppose the UK govt did decide to forget about leaving, what do you think the EU would do? Stay frozen exactly at the status quo? No they would continue the process of integration. charge us millions more, and eliminate our opt outs.
Except "They" would actually be "Us" and we'd have a vote and in a lot of cases a veto on these things. If as Boris seems to be suggesting we end up going the Norwegian route we manage to get all the things the Leave voters didn't want, with no say in the running of the system that would then be imposing rules on us. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff