2nd Referendum please - I don't like how that one panned out

[sidicks]

egor110 said:

Ironic that refugees flee from undemocratic countries where they don't have free votes and they try to get to this country.

And at the same time this country has a free and fair vote and some people want to do it again because they lost?

Particularly when those same stupid people continue to try and interpret racist behaviour behind that vote!

[saaby93]

sidicks said:

saaby93 said:

urely it was the free movement of people that pushed the vote to where it
You'd probably get most people behind a common market

You mean like the one we supposedly joined 40+ years ago?

Possibly wasnt there 70% support for that
When did it change?

[sidicks]

Countdown said:

Whoah!!!! Farage and the Leavers said quite categorically that we would be able to regain control of our own borders!!!! Next thing you know he'll be saying that we haven't got £350m/week to spend on the NHS

That was never said. Just more misdirection from the bitter losers.

[CAPP0]

So now the "Independent State of London" are putting together a mass rally in T. Square next week to protest about the result "show that, regardless of the EU Referendum result, we stand alongside the people of Europe to show we are inclusive, open and patient to understanding how we can make the Leave decision into a positive one for all. We stay with Europe!"

Anyone placing bets on the extent of window smashing, anti-establishment graffiti, BiB-bashing and general misbehaviour which usually accompanies such events once Rent-a-Mob have been summoned?

[JawKnee]

saaby93 said:

JawKnee said:

jonnyb said:

My hope now is of a fudge that keeps us in the common market, with free movement of people. Then in a few years we can rejoin the EU and eventually the Euro. We can then play our full part in Europe, which is what we should have been doing from the start.

This.

surely it was the free movement of people that pushed the vote to where it
You'd probably get most people behind a common market

I suspect a common market agreement without free movement of people is very unlikely.

[sidicks]

JawKnee said:

I suspect a common market agreement without free movement of people is very unlikely.

Yes, i mean it's not like the EU wants or needs to trade with the UK and vice versa, is it?

Oh, wait...

[jonnyb]

CAPP0 said:

All the people signing petitions asking for a 2nd EU referendum need to go away and research the meaning of the word "democracy". You can't just keep polling, on any subject, until you get the answer you want. While you've got the dictionary open, look up "authoritarianism" too. What will we do if we don't like the outcome of the next General Election? Or any other public vote? The next X Factor winner? Keep repeating it until we do? The irony is very strong here.

If we don't like the result of a general election we have another one, in a maximum of 5 years. Usually sooner.

I'm a great believer in democracy, I just think that some times people need saving from themselves.

At the end of the day 17 million voted to leave, 16 million voted to stay. In a democracy you don't ignore the will of 48% of the voters. What's different this time is when people voted leave, what exactly were they voting for? When people voted stay everyone knows exactly what they were voting for.

In my view, this referendum should never have happened. It was too polarising a question. It's pitted old against young, rich against poor, and split families and friends right down the middle. The Scott's will likely leave, probably followed by Northern Ireland. What started out 2016 as one of the great nations on earth will finish it irreversibly split and fractured, and that's not counting what might happen in London.

We have voted ourselves a bunch of little Englanders, aligned ourselves with Lapen, and Golden Dawn.

Like I said. Sometimes people need saving from themselves.

Edited by jonnyb on Saturday 25th June 15:26

[saaby93]

JawKnee said:

saaby93 said:

JawKnee said:

jonnyb said:

My hope now is of a fudge that keeps us in the common market, with free movement of people. Then in a few years we can rejoin the EU and eventually the Euro. We can then play our full part in Europe, which is what we should have been doing from the start.

This.

surely it was the free movement of people that pushed the vote to where it
You'd probably get most people behind a common market

I suspect a common market agreement without free movement of people is very unlikely.

Isnt it already in place European Free Trade Association - or have I been listening to too many sound bites
UK
Isle of Man
Channel Isles
Norway
Greenland
Iceland
Switzerland

[sidicks]

jonnyb said:

If we don't like the result of a general election we have another one, in a maximum of 5 years. Usually sooner.

I'm a great believer in democracy, I just think that some times people need saving from themselves.

At the end of the day 17 million voted to leave, 16 million voted to stay. In a democracy you don't ignore the will of 48% of the voters. What's different this time is when people voted leave, what exactly were they voting for? When people voted stay everyone knows exactly what they were voting for.

A majority voted to leave the EU - the ballot paper was very clear on that.

Did you not read the wording on the paper before you voted?

[JawKnee]

sidicks said:

Countdown said:

Whoah!!!! Farage and the Leavers said quite categorically that we would be able to regain control of our own borders!!!! Next thing you know he'll be saying that we haven't got £350m/week to spend on the NHS

That was never said. Just more misdirection from the bitter losers.

It was, by the official leave campaign, and Farage now says that campaign made a mistake in saying that. Is this the infighting now we have to look forward to?

[Funkycoldribena]

I think we should have another referendum.











In the Netherlands, Denmark, Greece etc.
What has happened to the people of this country? Its like they've all turned into simpering wimps,how the hell some people deal with everyday life and even how they managed to detach from mummies apron strings is beyond me.

[Funkycoldribena]

jonnyb said:

If we don't like the result of a general election we have another one, in a maximum of 5 years. Usually sooner.

I'm a great believer in democracy, I just think that some times people need saving from themselves.

At the end of the day 17 million voted to leave, 16 million voted to stay. In a democracy you don't ignore the will of 48% of the voters. What's different this time is when people voted leave, what exactly were they voting for? When people voted stay everyone knows exactly what they were voting for.

I don't think you understand democracy.

[pim]

Jimboka said:

Cameron is a smart guy, By handing in his notice yas meaht that the start of the EU leave process is delayed, until after a hasty GE in the autumn,
I reckon that EU remain pledge will be on offer by one of the major parties, Not a new referendum, Just tear up the referendum 'advice'

Could easily see labour or even Liberal democrats having a say

Cameron is a runner nothing smart about his moves.

[JawKnee]

sidicks said:

JawKnee said:

I suspect a common market agreement without free movement of people is very unlikely.

Yes, i mean it's not like the EU wants or needs to trade with the UK and vice versa, is it?

Oh, wait...

We need them more than they need us. They will be looking to stick to the fundamental principles of the EU. Just like all other EFTA countries, we will end up joining Schengen if we want to be part of the common market. Simple as that.

[jonnyb]

sidicks said:

jonnyb said:

If we don't like the result of a general election we have another one, in a maximum of 5 years. Usually sooner.

I'm a great believer in democracy, I just think that some times people need saving from themselves.

At the end of the day 17 million voted to leave, 16 million voted to stay. In a democracy you don't ignore the will of 48% of the voters. What's different this time is when people voted leave, what exactly were they voting for? When people voted stay everyone knows exactly what they were voting for.

A majority voted to leave the EU - the ballot paper was very clear on that.

Did you not read the wording on the paper before you voted?

Fine, we can leave the EU, remain in the single market, and keep the free movement of people, pay millions to the EU for the privilege and abide by all their rules.

That's what you voted for, wasn't it?

[sidicks]

JawKnee said:

We need them more than they need us. They will be looking to stick to the fundamental principles of the EU. Just like all other EFTA countries, we will end up joining Schengen if we want to be part of the common market. Simple as that.

Still wrong.

[sidicks]

jonnyb said:

Fine, we can leave the EU, remain in the single market, and keep the free movement of people, pay millions to the EU for the privilege and abide by all their rules.

That's what you voted for, wasn't it?

You don't half talk a lot of nonsense.

We don't want or need free movement of people, we don't need to pay millions to the EU.

We want to trade with the EU, just as we trade with numerous countries. Not sure why you are still struggling with this? It's almost as if you don't understand what the referendum was about or why people have voted the way they have...

Edited by sidicks on Saturday 25th June 15:33

[s2art]

JawKnee said:

sidicks said:

Countdown said:

Whoah!!!! Farage and the Leavers said quite categorically that we would be able to regain control of our own borders!!!! Next thing you know he'll be saying that we haven't got £350m/week to spend on the NHS

That was never said. Just more misdirection from the bitter losers.

It was, by the official leave campaign, and Farage now says that campaign made a mistake in saying that. Is this the infighting now we have to look forward to?

Wrong. The figure stated was £100 million.

[jonnyb]

sidicks said:

jonnyb said:

Fine, we can leave the EU, remain in the single market, and keep the free movement of people, pay millions to the EU for the privilege and abide by all their rules.

That's what you voted for, wasn't it?

You don't half talk a lot of nonsense.

We don't want or need free movement of people, we don't need to pay millions to the EU.

We want to trade with the EU, just as we trade with numerous countries. Not sure why you are still struggling with this?

And here's the problem for the leave vote. What you have voted for, is not what other leavers have voted for. The EU is a political institution. That's all you have voted for to leave. Or did you not read the ballot paper?

[CAPP0]

jonnyb said:

The Scott's will likely leave

And that's another thing. It's not two years since the Scots voted to remain part of the UK. Not "part of the UK except the things we don't like" (although they already have their own parliament covering that aspect). It was a UK Referendum, not four separate England, Ireland, Wales, Scotland referenda. So, once again, the result is the result. Sturgeon is just trying to make sure she keeps her own personal profile in the public eye.