2nd Referendum please - I don't like how that one panned out
Discussion
jonnyb said:
And here's the problem for the leave vote. What you have voted for, is not what other leavers have voted for. The EU is a political institution. That's all you have voted for to leave. Or did you not read the ballot paper?
We voted to leave the EU - why are you still struggling with this?The reasons for this will differ for different people. That matters not one bit.
sidicks said:
Countdown said:
Whoah!!!! Farage and the Leavers said quite categorically that we would be able to regain control of our own borders!!!! Next thing you know he'll be saying that we haven't got £350m/week to spend on the NHS 
That was never said. Just more misdirection from the bitter losers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOT0KXlDkDs
ostricised at 55 secs
sidicks said:
jonnyb said:
And here's the problem for the leave vote. What you have voted for, is not what other leavers have voted for. The EU is a political institution. That's all you have voted for to leave. Or did you not read the ballot paper?
We voted to leave the EU - why are you still struggling with this.The reasons for this will differ for different people. That matters not one bit.
CAPP0 said:
jonnyb said:
The Scott's will likely leave
And that's another thing. It's not two years since the Scots voted to remain part of the UK. Not "part of the UK except the things we don't like" (although they already have their own parliament covering that aspect). It was a UK Referendum, not four separate England, Ireland, Wales, Scotland referenda. So, once again, the result is the result. Sturgeon is just trying to make sure she keeps her own personal profile in the public eye.What you have said is correct, it won't stop them going.
CAPP0 said:
So now the "Independent State of London" are putting together a mass rally in T. Square next week to protest about the result "show that, regardless of the EU Referendum result, we stand alongside the people of Europe to show we are inclusive, open and patient to understanding how we can make the Leave decision into a positive one for all. We stay with Europe!"
Anyone placing bets on the extent of window smashing, anti-establishment graffiti, BiB-bashing and general misbehaviour which usually accompanies such events once Rent-a-Mob have been summoned?
Well, that is how they protest in the EU. See france, spain, greece etc etc for examples.Anyone placing bets on the extent of window smashing, anti-establishment graffiti, BiB-bashing and general misbehaviour which usually accompanies such events once Rent-a-Mob have been summoned?
Oh, and if it all goes horribly wrong, we can all go back you know. Article 49 says so...
...wait, what do you mean all the remainers said we couldnt, once were out we are out, its irreversable, why take the risk... now why would they lie like that?
jonnyb said:
I'm a great believer in democracy, I just think that some times people need saving from themselves.
At the end of the day 17 million voted to leave, 16 million voted to stay. In a democracy you don't ignore the will of 48% of the voters.
You'd prefer to ignore 52% ?At the end of the day 17 million voted to leave, 16 million voted to stay. In a democracy you don't ignore the will of 48% of the voters.
This was a pretty binary situation, we are either staying in the EU or leaving it. I don't need saving from myself and I don't need my reasons interpreting or being discounted, I need my vote to be counted and then to accept the majority decision, that's how I believe democracy works.
As to the Scottish Independence crew seizing on any excuse to get another vote and London staying in the EU, it's just getting a bit silly now.
JawKnee said:
Farage (and many on here I should add) said he'd push for a second referendum if leave lost by a narrow margin. Why can't the same apply the other way around. Hypocritical much?
he is just as much a clown for stating that as the sore assed losers such as your self . democracy at work chum, get over it, chin up , onwards and upwards etc.wc98 said:
JawKnee said:
Farage (and many on here I should add) said he'd push for a second referendum if leave lost by a narrow margin. Why can't the same apply the other way around. Hypocritical much?
he is just as much a clown for stating that as the sore assed losers such as your self . democracy at work chum, get over it, chin up , onwards and upwards etc.jonnyb said:
If we don't like the result of a general election we have another one, in a maximum of 5 years. Usually sooner.
I'm a great believer in democracy, I just think that some times people need saving from themselves.
At the end of the day 17 million voted to leave, 16 million voted to stay. In a democracy you don't ignore the will of 48% of the voters. What's different this time is when people voted leave, what exactly were they voting for? When people voted stay everyone knows exactly what they were voting for.
In my view, this referendum should never have happened. It was too polarising a question. It's pitted old against young, rich against poor, and split families and friends right down the middle. The Scott's will likely leave, probably followed by Northern Ireland. What started out 2016 as one of the great nations on earth will finish it irreversibly split and fractured, and that's not counting what might happen in London.
We have voted ourselves a bunch of little Englanders, aligned ourselves with Lapen, and Golden Dawn.
Like I said. Sometimes people need saving from themselves.
some reading that may be of interest. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nineteen-Eighty-Four-Peng...I'm a great believer in democracy, I just think that some times people need saving from themselves.
At the end of the day 17 million voted to leave, 16 million voted to stay. In a democracy you don't ignore the will of 48% of the voters. What's different this time is when people voted leave, what exactly were they voting for? When people voted stay everyone knows exactly what they were voting for.
In my view, this referendum should never have happened. It was too polarising a question. It's pitted old against young, rich against poor, and split families and friends right down the middle. The Scott's will likely leave, probably followed by Northern Ireland. What started out 2016 as one of the great nations on earth will finish it irreversibly split and fractured, and that's not counting what might happen in London.
We have voted ourselves a bunch of little Englanders, aligned ourselves with Lapen, and Golden Dawn.
Like I said. Sometimes people need saving from themselves.
Edited by jonnyb on Saturday 25th June 15:26
jonnyb said:
In my view, this referendum should never have happened. It was too polarising a question. It's pitted old against young, rich against poor, and split families and friends right down the middle. The Scott's will likely leave, probably followed by Northern Ireland. What started out 2016 as one of the great nations on earth will finish it irreversibly split and fractured, and that's not counting what might happen in London.
We have voted ourselves a bunch of little Englanders, aligned ourselves with Lapen, and Golden Dawn.
Like I said. Sometimes people need saving from themselves.
What an ignorant and highly offensive opinion you hold.We have voted ourselves a bunch of little Englanders, aligned ourselves with Lapen, and Golden Dawn.
Like I said. Sometimes people need saving from themselves.
wc98 said:
jonnyb said:
If we don't like the result of a general election we have another one, in a maximum of 5 years. Usually sooner.
I'm a great believer in democracy, I just think that some times people need saving from themselves.
At the end of the day 17 million voted to leave, 16 million voted to stay. In a democracy you don't ignore the will of 48% of the voters. What's different this time is when people voted leave, what exactly were they voting for? When people voted stay everyone knows exactly what they were voting for.
In my view, this referendum should never have happened. It was too polarising a question. It's pitted old against young, rich against poor, and split families and friends right down the middle. The Scott's will likely leave, probably followed by Northern Ireland. What started out 2016 as one of the great nations on earth will finish it irreversibly split and fractured, and that's not counting what might happen in London.
We have voted ourselves a bunch of little Englanders, aligned ourselves with Lapen, and Golden Dawn.
Like I said. Sometimes people need saving from themselves.
some reading that may be of interest. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nineteen-Eighty-Four-Peng...I'm a great believer in democracy, I just think that some times people need saving from themselves.
At the end of the day 17 million voted to leave, 16 million voted to stay. In a democracy you don't ignore the will of 48% of the voters. What's different this time is when people voted leave, what exactly were they voting for? When people voted stay everyone knows exactly what they were voting for.
In my view, this referendum should never have happened. It was too polarising a question. It's pitted old against young, rich against poor, and split families and friends right down the middle. The Scott's will likely leave, probably followed by Northern Ireland. What started out 2016 as one of the great nations on earth will finish it irreversibly split and fractured, and that's not counting what might happen in London.
We have voted ourselves a bunch of little Englanders, aligned ourselves with Lapen, and Golden Dawn.
Like I said. Sometimes people need saving from themselves.
Edited by jonnyb on Saturday 25th June 15:26
Read it, preferred the movie though.
sidicks said:
jonnyb said:
In my view, this referendum should never have happened. It was too polarising a question. It's pitted old against young, rich against poor, and split families and friends right down the middle. The Scott's will likely leave, probably followed by Northern Ireland. What started out 2016 as one of the great nations on earth will finish it irreversibly split and fractured, and that's not counting what might happen in London.
We have voted ourselves a bunch of little Englanders, aligned ourselves with Lapen, and Golden Dawn.
Like I said. Sometimes people need saving from themselves.
What an ignorant and highly offensive opinion you hold.We have voted ourselves a bunch of little Englanders, aligned ourselves with Lapen, and Golden Dawn.
Like I said. Sometimes people need saving from themselves.
A quick scan through the newspapers will show you who in the world is rejoicing at this result.
That is who you have aligned our country with.
So the remainers don't like the result and demand a 2nd vote? And if that is still the same result (but marginal) will they demand another etc.? If the plan is to keep having a referendum until 60%+ vote is cast then we will be having them for many years! Result is done, get over it. Go to work monday, work hard and get on with your life. Short term pain but a better long term future IMHO.
jonnyb said:
Sometimes the truth hurts.
A quick scan through the newspapers will show you who in the world is rejoicing at this result.
That is who you have aligned our country with.
Nonsense - I'm sorry you don't like or understand democracy!A quick scan through the newspapers will show you who in the world is rejoicing at this result.
That is who you have aligned our country with.
52% of those who bothered to vote are 'rejoicing'. Those on the losing said are just whinging!
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