2nd Referendum please - I don't like how that one panned out

[turbobloke]

don'tbesilly said:

adam quantrill said:

There's an emergency eu summit this weekend or next week.

By bet is they will discuss terms to put to the UK to remain.

The deal will be put to the UK.

Then you will get your second referendum.

£50.00 says there won't be a second referendum.
You taking it?

And if the very unlikely number two happens, what odds the Leave vote would increase?

[lostkiwi]

adam quantrill said:

There's an emergency eu summit this weekend or next week.

By bet is they will discuss terms to put to the UK to remain.

The deal will be put to the UK.

Then you will get your second referendum.

Far more likely to be a "How can we get rid of those pesky British quickly and make an example of them so no one else leaves..."

[turbobloke]

lostkiwi said:

adam quantrill said:

There's an emergency eu summit this weekend or next week.

By bet is they will discuss terms to put to the UK to remain.

The deal will be put to the UK.

Then you will get your second referendum.

Far more likely to be a "How can we get rid of those pesky British quickly and make an example of them so no one else leaves..."

That would at least be consistent with their previous track record of arrogant incompetence allied to infantile tantrums.

[powerstroke]

turbobloke said:

lostkiwi said:

adam quantrill said:

There's an emergency eu summit this weekend or next week.

By bet is they will discuss terms to put to the UK to remain.

The deal will be put to the UK.

Then you will get your second referendum.

Far more likely to be a "How can we get rid of those pesky British quickly and make an example of them so no one else leaves..."

That would at least be consistent with their previous track record of arrogant incompetence allied to infantile tantrums.

yes and at that point we say ok we are fine with that are you ok with our 15% duty rate on EU goods?? because we can buy what we need elsewhere oh and we will tax transport traveling through the uk to and from Ireland ...
lets see how long it takes after the EU receives the greman french swedish and Italian car industys letter to have a sensible fair agreement...

[GhostDriver]

out of Curiosity....

If the second referendum was, do you wish the UK was integrated into a United States of Europe..

What do you think the outcome would be? Still 48/52.

A lot of the key players in Europe are now pushing out their chest and saying its full steam ahead now the British are gone making it clear that full political union is definitely on the long term agenda, and now with Brexit its being admitted.

If they keep up that rhetoric, the exit vote will be way higher.

[silent ninja]

powerstroke said:

yes and at that point we say ok we are fine with that are you ok with our 15% duty rate on EU goods?? because we can buy what we need elsewhere oh and we will tax transport traveling through the uk to and from Ireland ...
lets see how long it takes after the EU receives the greman french swedish and Italian car industys letter to have a sensible fair agreement...

I think this is naive wishful thinking. Our status alone is not that great. It will be a prolonged process. Ultimately, we need the EU much more than they need us. It's the second largest market in the world.

[anonymous-user]

lostkiwi said:

Far more likely to be a "How can we get rid of those pesky British quickly and make an example of them so no one else leaves..."

Seems like a possibility.


If we aren't careful by the time a new Tory leader is chosen the die will be cast.
They are all meeting up next week to start the process.

[turbobloke]

desolate said:

lostkiwi said:

Far more likely to be a "How can we get rid of those pesky British quickly and make an example of them so no one else leaves..."

Seems like a possibility.


If we aren't careful by the time a new Tory leader is chosen the die will be cast.
They are all meeting up next week to start the process.

How can they negotiate alone? Which collectively and presumably will be the case.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

ow can they negotiate alone? Which collectively and presumably will be the case.

Well I imagine they will be trying to agree what their starting position is.

Which will probably be a "don't let the door hit you up the arse as you leave"

From there they could negotiate if they want to.

But I suppose to do that we have to actually trigger the process.

edited to add: The initial vibes are that they want to play "hardball". Time will tell whether this is a knee jerk reaction from which they will soften.
However as the entire Leave campaign has been slagging them off for being unaccountable incompetent eurocrats why are they suddenly going to become reasonable?
(fwiw, I think it's likely they will play hardball as they really don't care about "the people" anywhere near as much as they care about "the project")

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 25th June 00:04

[turbobloke]

desolate said:

But I suppose to do that we have to actually trigger the process.

Curiously enough I was thinking along the same lines!

[pim]

turbobloke said:

ow can they negotiate alone? Which collectively and presumably will be the case.

They are not going to wait for a new Tory leader to arrive before making a decision.

Pissed off is a understatement and seeing the back of us is the game in town.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

desolate said:

But I suppose to do that we have to actually trigger the process.

Curiously enough I was thinking along the same lines!

One tactic for us could be just to do nothing for 12 months and let them burn themselves out.
A sort of rope-a-dope.

Perhaps even give them the rebate back next year - really freak them out.

[CX53]

There won't ever be a 60% majority so we would have to vote over and over and over. I highly doubt the government will go for that.

In excess of a million people more voted to leave, which isn't insignificant really. Plenty of people couldn't be bothered to get off their arses and vote and now a lot of them are complaining at the result, along with the remainers. Should we have a second vote for these people? No thanks. A vote is a vote, it should mean something regardless of consequences.

[Mr Tidy]

silent ninja said:

I think this is naive wishful thinking. Our status alone is not that great. It will be a prolonged process. Ultimately, we need the EU much more than they need us. It's the second largest market in the world.

Sorry to disagree, but I read somewhere last week that the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world.

Would the EU still be number 2 without us?

If I ran a business I would target at least the top 10 anyway, so that if one goes elsewhere you still have significant market share!

As a net EU contributor I think the EU needs us more than we need them!

Since we buy more from the EU than they buy from us I would have thought they might quite like to continue trading with us!?

In the economic world the UK is still a major player - we just need to grow some b*lls, then use them!

[SeeFive]

silent ninja said:

I think this is naive wishful thinking. Our status alone is not that great. It will be a prolonged process. Ultimately, we need the EU much more than they need us. It's the second largest market in the world.

Or, more accurately, we need to trade with certain individual member states of the EU, but not as much as some of them would wish to trade with us.

[anonymous-user]

SeeFive said:

Or, more accurately, we need to trade with certain individual member states of the EU, but not as much as some of them would wish to trade with us.

Let's just hope that the unaccountable eurocrats, who really don't give a fk about trade and the citizens (so we have been told countless times), don't just take their bat and ball home and tell us they aren't going to play anymore as we have jeopardised their whole project.

[Pesty]

adam quantrill said:

There's an emergency eu summit this weekend or next week.

By bet is they will discuss terms to put to the UK to remain.

The deal will be put to the UK.

Then you will get your second referendum.

No deals would start a flood of others leaving to get better deals. It's not like sky say you're leaving and get 3 months free.

[anonymous-user]

Pesty said:

adam quantrill said:

There's an emergency eu summit this weekend or next week.

By bet is they will discuss terms to put to the UK to remain.

The deal will be put to the UK.

Then you will get your second referendum.

No deals would start a flood of others leaving to get better deals. It's not like sky say you're leaving and get 3 months free.

My 'bet' is that they keep telling us to fk off, and to fk off quickly. this will go on for a bit and people will get all shirty.
then after what feels like a lifetime we will all agree a cobbled together compromise and life will go on almost exactly the same as before, just with one less star on the blue flag.

I really hope I am wrong.

[Mr Tidy]

desolate said:

My 'bet' is that they keep telling us to fk off, and to fk off quickly. this will go on for a bit and people will get all shirty.
then after what feels like a lifetime we will all agree a cobbled together compromise and life will go on almost exactly the same as before, just with one less star on the blue flag.

I really hope I am wrong.

I really hope you are wrong too - I didn't vote "Out" just to get some sort of cobbled-together compromise! I want OUT - it's an experiment that failed!

Time to move onwards and upwards!

[All that jazz]

desolate said:

Pesty said:

adam quantrill said:

There's an emergency eu summit this weekend or next week.

By bet is they will discuss terms to put to the UK to remain.

The deal will be put to the UK.

Then you will get your second referendum.

No deals would start a flood of others leaving to get better deals. It's not like sky say you're leaving and get 3 months free.

My 'bet' is that they keep telling us to fk off, and to fk off quickly. this will go on for a bit and people will get all shirty.
then after what feels like a lifetime we will all agree a cobbled together compromise and life will go on almost exactly the same as before, just with one less star on the blue flag.

I really hope I am wrong.

My predictions :

- Article 50 won't happen.
- Vote of no confidence in the government will happen.
- Election will be called with Labour and Con both supporting EU in.
- One or the other of them will predictably win so we'll be back in the EU.
- Much toy throwing and dummy spitting will happen.
- The EU Party Bus will continue with the "unification process" and ultimately nothing will have changed.