2nd Referendum please - I don't like how that one panned out
Discussion
Pesty said:
mdavids said:
My situation, Global company, probably the most important local employer, 6500 direct and 30000 indirect jobs. Here mainly because of free access to the EU. Has to compete with European manufacturing plants for new business every couple of years.
I think/hope we'll be okay but there's a little bit of wishful thinking in there. Reality is, if import tariffs are introduced we'll either close or downsize in a couple of years. Shop floor lads will be working even harder (its already incredibly hard work) for no pay rise, I'm indirect and office based so may escape any initial cut back (wishful thinking again)
Ironically most of the local populace voted leave. For me the best that will come out of this is no change.
No chance of new opportunities elsewhere Far East, Australia,South America, Africa Canada and the US ? In fact everywhere else in the world I think/hope we'll be okay but there's a little bit of wishful thinking in there. Reality is, if import tariffs are introduced we'll either close or downsize in a couple of years. Shop floor lads will be working even harder (its already incredibly hard work) for no pay rise, I'm indirect and office based so may escape any initial cut back (wishful thinking again)
Ironically most of the local populace voted leave. For me the best that will come out of this is no change.
mdavids said:
Shop floor lads will be working even harder (its already incredibly hard work) for no pay rise, I'm indirect and office based so may escape any initial cut back (wishful thinking again)
Ironically most of the local populace voted leave. For me the best that will come out of this is no change.
This I don't get. I listened to a report on Radio $ from a factory in Dover. It was a hi-tec box manufacturer owned by Italians making short runs of high quality boxes for perfume, clothing, chocolates and various other products. The short runs on various products meant seasonal labour was required and this dmand was met by EU immigrants. Ironically most of the local populace voted leave. For me the best that will come out of this is no change.
Within the group interviewed the owner stated that should access to the single market or his flexible workforce be jeopardized the factory would be forced to relocate. On hearing this the English workers were asked how they'd vote. Many said leave stating they didn't care how it effected their employment prospects and that it was more important that they got their country back (though found it difficult to be specific about what that meant) and that something had to be done about the foreigners. Even when the reporter stressed "bearing in mind your relatively well paid permanent job depends on migrant labour and access to the single market will you still vote leave?" many said yes. It was like listening to turkeys voting for Xmas.
Assuming circumstances reach the point where the factory owners do decide to relocate, the figurative gun is at their head and bearing in mind Brexit re-assured them all would be ok wouldn't it be nice to give them the opportunity to reconsider?
Tannedbaldhead said:
mdavids said:
Shop floor lads will be working even harder (its already incredibly hard work) for no pay rise, I'm indirect and office based so may escape any initial cut back (wishful thinking again)
Ironically most of the local populace voted leave. For me the best that will come out of this is no change.
This I don't get. I listened to a report on Radio $ from a factory in Dover. It was a hi-tec box manufacturer owned by Italians making short runs of high quality boxes for perfume, clothing, chocolates and various other products. The short runs on various products meant seasonal labour was required and this dmand was met by EU immigrants. Ironically most of the local populace voted leave. For me the best that will come out of this is no change.
Within the group interviewed the owner stated that should access to the single market or his flexible workforce be jeopardized the factory would be forced to relocate. On hearing this the English workers were asked how they'd vote. Many said leave stating they didn't care how it effected their employment prospects and that it was more important that they got their country back (though found it difficult to be specific about what that meant) and that something had to be done about the foreigners. Even when the reporter stressed "bearing in mind your relatively well paid permanent job depends on migrant labour and access to the single market will you still vote leave?" many said yes. It was like listening to turkeys voting for Xmas.
Assuming circumstances reach the point where the factory owners do decide to relocate, the figurative gun is at their head and bearing in mind Brexit re-assured them all would be ok wouldn't it be nice to give them the opportunity to reconsider?
"Why did you vote leave"
"Dunno, just did"
OUTY
Tannedbaldhead said:
If a new referendum is engineered can you be confident Brexit will be the result?
I'm certain it would not be Brexit a second time round. A lot of the 18-24 year olds would realise that their vote really does count, there would be some voter remorse from first time Leavers, while the Scottish turnout would also increase dramatically - though that would upset Shouty McShout-face and put a stop to her indyref2, so not all bad.While the mainstream media and BBC are telling us we have made a terrible mistake, at least some Germans are giving us a pat on the back
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-26/die-welt-...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-26/die-welt-...
TonyToniTone said:
Einion Yrth said:
60 odd thousand signatories from Vatican City ( which has a population of 842 )? Not conclusive I guess, but indicative.
not indicative at all, if you had a botnet sophisticated enough to respond the verification emails i doubt you would overlook the geo tagging.I voted 'in'
The result was 'out'
My response?
Let's get on with it, be positive, and see what happens.....
What will probably happen is that the usual British negativity and the press will take over and we will end up moaning ourselves into a recession.
Deal with the f
king result and that we have a democracy and look forward.
I've accepted the outcome, it grips my st no end that there are people out there who want to drag this whole sorry affair (and by sorry, I mean the way both 'in' and 'out' dealt with the referendum) out by petitioning for a second vote).
I now want Brexit to be a success for the nation. It's not a hard concept to grasp post result..
The result was 'out'
My response?
Let's get on with it, be positive, and see what happens.....
What will probably happen is that the usual British negativity and the press will take over and we will end up moaning ourselves into a recession.
Deal with the f
king result and that we have a democracy and look forward. I've accepted the outcome, it grips my s
t no end that there are people out there who want to drag this whole sorry affair (and by sorry, I mean the way both 'in' and 'out' dealt with the referendum) out by petitioning for a second vote).I now want Brexit to be a success for the nation. It's not a hard concept to grasp post result..
gothatway said:
Meanwhile, back in the real world ... before "Independence Day", there were numerous statements going around about new measures/announcements which the EU had put on hold until after the referendum. I think that one of them was about the proposed EU army. Can anyone remind me what they all were, and when they were to be expected ?
Remain idiots also said that there would have to be an emergency budget yeah right Chancellor not been heard since brexit, probably literally fallen on his sword 
CAPP0 said:
B'stard Child said:
CAPP0 said:
All the people signing petitions asking for a 2nd EU referendum need to go away and research the meaning of the word "democracy". You can't just keep polling, on any subject, until you get the answer you want. While you've got the dictionary open, look up "authoritarianism" too. What will we do if we don't like the outcome of the next General Election? Or any other public vote? The next X Factor winner? Keep repeating it until we do? The irony is very strong here.
I got this st on my FB feedEdited by CAPP0 on Sunday 26th June 09:33
B.J.W said:
I voted 'in'
The result was 'out'
My response?
Let's get on with it, be positive, and see what happens.....
What will probably happen is that the usual British negativity and the press will take over and we will end up moaning ourselves into a recession.
Deal with the fking result and that we have a democracy and look forward.
I've accepted the outcome, it grips my st no end that there are people out there who want to drag this whole sorry affair (and by sorry, I mean the way both 'in' and 'out' dealt with the referendum) out by petitioning for a second vote).
I now want Brexit to be a success for the nation. It's not a hard concept to grasp post result..
Sensible democratic post.The result was 'out'
My response?
Let's get on with it, be positive, and see what happens.....
What will probably happen is that the usual British negativity and the press will take over and we will end up moaning ourselves into a recession.
Deal with the f
king result and that we have a democracy and look forward. I've accepted the outcome, it grips my s
t no end that there are people out there who want to drag this whole sorry affair (and by sorry, I mean the way both 'in' and 'out' dealt with the referendum) out by petitioning for a second vote).I now want Brexit to be a success for the nation. It's not a hard concept to grasp post result..
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/the-howl-agai...
Ignore the rag and writer. Do you agree?
I do.
Every word.
Sums it up perfectly.
Ignore the rag and writer. Do you agree?
I do.
Every word.
Sums it up perfectly.
anonymous said:
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What a bizarre comment, I really don't follow your logic, how has he made the right decision? Because he 'won'. Nobody has won or lost yet. I'll measure this purely on how it affects my job as its the only thing tangible.I'm guessing my 'colleague' will measure it on 'whether he's taken his country back'. I'm not quite sure how that can be measured though, there's no immigration problem here.
In the worst case, his decision has probably helped to make his job a hell of a lot harder, or non-existant. He'll lose his job a lot quicker than I will and have less transferrable skills. Winner
dandarez said:
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/the-howl-agai...
Ignore the rag and writer. Do you agree?
I do.
Every word.
Sums it up perfectly.
yep.Ignore the rag and writer. Do you agree?
I do.
Every word.
Sums it up perfectly.
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