Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
Discussion
///ajd said:
I don't really understand the "leave at any cost" mindset - do you think all 52% voted this way?
If so you'd be right, but there seems a good chance the "leave vote" might dip under 50% if presented with B or C - which are of course poor outcomes for the UK.
We all know you don't understand it, despite it been discussed over and over. Quite frankly, you're either just trolling or extremely obtuse. If so you'd be right, but there seems a good chance the "leave vote" might dip under 50% if presented with B or C - which are of course poor outcomes for the UK.
You're clearly still in denial about the whole thing. No doubt you'll respond with some childishness about tanks or the armed forces, but you should really just listen to what leave voters have said and try better to understand it rather than try and pick holes in their logic.
I think that a lot (not sure how many, it's just a hunch) of leave voters were/are so sick of the failing EU project that they want out no matter what. This feeling seems especially prevalent in the north where labour rely on support. I think it will be absolutely disastrous for labour if Owen Smith gets his way and tries to stop Brexit. I think it will be equally disastrous for the Tories if they back out of it.
bmw535i said:
We all know you don't understand it, despite it been discussed over and over. Quite frankly, you're either just trolling or extremely obtuse.
You're clearly still in denial about the whole thing. No doubt you'll respond with some childishness about tanks or the armed forces, but you should really just listen to what leave voters have said and try better to understand it rather than try and pick holes in their logic.
I think that a lot (not sure how many, it's just a hunch) of leave voters were/are so sick of the failing EU project that they want out no matter what. This feeling seems especially prevalent in the north where labour rely on support. I think it will be absolutely disastrous for labour if Owen Smith gets his way and tries to stop Brexit. I think it will be equally disastrous for the Tories if they back out of it.
As a fellow Leave voter I'm looking at it all very pragmatically.You're clearly still in denial about the whole thing. No doubt you'll respond with some childishness about tanks or the armed forces, but you should really just listen to what leave voters have said and try better to understand it rather than try and pick holes in their logic.
I think that a lot (not sure how many, it's just a hunch) of leave voters were/are so sick of the failing EU project that they want out no matter what. This feeling seems especially prevalent in the north where labour rely on support. I think it will be absolutely disastrous for labour if Owen Smith gets his way and tries to stop Brexit. I think it will be equally disastrous for the Tories if they back out of it.
Nobody knows what will be the state of play in 4 years time, or indeed the state of the EU. The macro environment isn't just about currency to me its about the overall health of Europe and its constituent parts. Will Merkel still be around then? We assume we will need to address the needs of 27 other states yet the EU will be far bigger by then.
People make predictions based on current 'knowns' and it all really depends what narrative you're feeding.
I'm ruling nothing in and I'm ruling nothing out.
PurpleMoonlight said:
There won't be another vote on the deal,
I wouldn't put my mortgage on that prediction.PurpleMoonlight said:
and besides it is far from certain that we have the right to back out of A50 once invoked.
Agreed. It is open to interpretation either way. There is a view that the Lisbon Treaty text was left with lacunae by negotiators - on both sides - as a forced exit would go against the democratic principles enshrined in Title 2 (Provisions on democratic principles).
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Jockman said:
bmw535i said:
We all know you don't understand it, despite it been discussed over and over. Quite frankly, you're either just trolling or extremely obtuse.
You're clearly still in denial about the whole thing. No doubt you'll respond with some childishness about tanks or the armed forces, but you should really just listen to what leave voters have said and try better to understand it rather than try and pick holes in their logic.
I think that a lot (not sure how many, it's just a hunch) of leave voters were/are so sick of the failing EU project that they want out no matter what. This feeling seems especially prevalent in the north where labour rely on support. I think it will be absolutely disastrous for labour if Owen Smith gets his way and tries to stop Brexit. I think it will be equally disastrous for the Tories if they back out of it.
As a fellow Leave voter I'm looking at it all very pragmatically.You're clearly still in denial about the whole thing. No doubt you'll respond with some childishness about tanks or the armed forces, but you should really just listen to what leave voters have said and try better to understand it rather than try and pick holes in their logic.
I think that a lot (not sure how many, it's just a hunch) of leave voters were/are so sick of the failing EU project that they want out no matter what. This feeling seems especially prevalent in the north where labour rely on support. I think it will be absolutely disastrous for labour if Owen Smith gets his way and tries to stop Brexit. I think it will be equally disastrous for the Tories if they back out of it.
Nobody knows what will be the state of play in 4 years time, or indeed the state of the EU. The macro environment isn't just about currency to me its about the overall health of Europe and its constituent parts. Will Merkel still be around then? We assume we will need to address the needs of 27 other states yet the EU will be far bigger by then.
People make predictions based on current 'knowns' and it all really depends what narrative you're feeding.
I'm ruling nothing in and I'm ruling nothing out.
Considering that both UK and the EU are changing, and in a world which is changing, this process will not be simple. But it was the right thing to do on June 23rd and still is, about time Remainers stopped the fanciful wishes trying to get the result changed.
FiF said:
Essentially we are in a phase where it's more about deciding and then negotiating the framework for what our future current relationship with the EU will be. One facet of that is the actual exit, and it's only one facet, albeit an important one.
Considering that both UK and the EU are changing, and in a world which is changing, this process will not be simple. But it was the right thing to do on June 23rd and still is, about time Remainers stopped the fanciful wishes trying to get the result changed.
I think threads will naturally move on as events happen and new obstacles / opportunities arise. With holiday season in control we really in a bit of a vacuum when it comes to newsworthy events.Considering that both UK and the EU are changing, and in a world which is changing, this process will not be simple. But it was the right thing to do on June 23rd and still is, about time Remainers stopped the fanciful wishes trying to get the result changed.
bmw535i said:
///ajd said:
I don't really understand the "leave at any cost" mindset - do you think all 52% voted this way?
If so you'd be right, but there seems a good chance the "leave vote" might dip under 50% if presented with B or C - which are of course poor outcomes for the UK.
We all know you don't understand it, despite it been discussed over and over. Quite frankly, you're either just trolling or extremely obtuse. If so you'd be right, but there seems a good chance the "leave vote" might dip under 50% if presented with B or C - which are of course poor outcomes for the UK.
You're clearly still in denial about the whole thing. No doubt you'll respond with some childishness about tanks or the armed forces, but you should really just listen to what leave voters have said and try better to understand it rather than try and pick holes in their logic.
I think that a lot (not sure how many, it's just a hunch) of leave voters were/are so sick of the failing EU project that they want out no matter what. This feeling seems especially prevalent in the north where labour rely on support. I think it will be absolutely disastrous for labour if Owen Smith gets his way and tries to stop Brexit. I think it will be equally disastrous for the Tories if they back out of it.
I suspect it actually varies by Brexiteer.
Are there any brexiters here who would think twice if the deal looked like it would make the UK significantly worse off?
///ajd said:
I suppose I never will understand the idea of doing something with so much impact no matter what the consequences - especially where those impacts could be very severe for the livelihoods of many. Is that an intelligent thing to do?
I suspect it actually varies by Brexiteer.
Are there any brexiters here who would think twice if the deal looked like it would make the UK significantly worse off?
You're not alone in your bewilderment. A lot of bremainers are still in shock that their arrogance, self importance and dismissive, hubris filled rhetoric didn't work. I suspect it actually varies by Brexiteer.
Are there any brexiters here who would think twice if the deal looked like it would make the UK significantly worse off?
///ajd said:
Are there any brexiters here who would think twice if the deal looked like it would make the UK significantly worse off?
Of course I would think twice if that was a likely outcome. But then I would look at all the other countries in the world not in the EU and would realise that we dont need to be in the EU to thrive.bmw535i said:
You're not alone in your bewilderment. A lot of bremainers are still in shock that their arrogance, self importance and dismissive, hubris filled rhetoric didn't work.
Orhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
Not seen this anywhere on here already.
Petition Invoke Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty immediately.
The British people have spoken. We have voted to leave the EU. We want article 50 of the Lisbon treaty to be invoked immediately. We still have two years to discuss our exit from the EU, but we do not wish to delay it any further.
Has been responded to already..how did I miss this? old and senile I suppose
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618
Petition Invoke Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty immediately.
The British people have spoken. We have voted to leave the EU. We want article 50 of the Lisbon treaty to be invoked immediately. We still have two years to discuss our exit from the EU, but we do not wish to delay it any further.
Has been responded to already..how did I miss this? old and senile I suppose
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618
Edited by alfie2244 on Friday 26th August 20:17
Edited by alfie2244 on Friday 26th August 20:17
alfie2244 said:
Not seen this anywhere on here already.
Petition Invoke Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty immediately.
The British people have spoken. We have voted to leave the EU. We want article 50 of the Lisbon treaty to be invoked immediately. We still have two years to discuss our exit from the EU, but we do not wish to delay it any further.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618
Signed.Petition Invoke Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty immediately.
The British people have spoken. We have voted to leave the EU. We want article 50 of the Lisbon treaty to be invoked immediately. We still have two years to discuss our exit from the EU, but we do not wish to delay it any further.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618
Thanks for sharing the link.
I voted leave and would again, but there is no immediate rush in my opinion, so I would never sign such a petition, plans need to be fermented, feelers put out and thoughts collected.
We have been a member of the EU for a long time, longer than I have been alive (28), entangling ourselves as a nation won't be an overnight job and rushing into anything would not be a sensible move. I think our exit can be moderately painless, not totally painless of course, there will be difficulties over the coming years but I believe that all involved will want a reasonably amicable and sensible approach - we do a lot of work with the EU and they do a lot with us, and despite the vote they will want us to remain a close trading partner and valuable ally in the years to come, especially as the bloc faces its current turmoils.
Will it be easy, or simple, or make us all rich overnight? Absolutely not! But I do believe, given time, that it is the best course of action for the UK.
We have been a member of the EU for a long time, longer than I have been alive (28), entangling ourselves as a nation won't be an overnight job and rushing into anything would not be a sensible move. I think our exit can be moderately painless, not totally painless of course, there will be difficulties over the coming years but I believe that all involved will want a reasonably amicable and sensible approach - we do a lot of work with the EU and they do a lot with us, and despite the vote they will want us to remain a close trading partner and valuable ally in the years to come, especially as the bloc faces its current turmoils.
Will it be easy, or simple, or make us all rich overnight? Absolutely not! But I do believe, given time, that it is the best course of action for the UK.
don4l said:
Signed.
Thanks for sharing the link.
Here is another one for you to signThanks for sharing the link.
Just follow the link on this one. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/140569
don4l said:
alfie2244 said:
Not seen this anywhere on here already.
Petition Invoke Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty immediately.
The British people have spoken. We have voted to leave the EU. We want article 50 of the Lisbon treaty to be invoked immediately. We still have two years to discuss our exit from the EU, but we do not wish to delay it any further.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618
Signed.Petition Invoke Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty immediately.
The British people have spoken. We have voted to leave the EU. We want article 50 of the Lisbon treaty to be invoked immediately. We still have two years to discuss our exit from the EU, but we do not wish to delay it any further.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618
Thanks for sharing the link.
That does not of course mean that Parliament is bound to act upon it, but just have a formal chat about it. Anybody who thinks that this petition is going to make the slightest bit of difference to the length of time between now and when article 50 is invoked is, shall we say, naïve bordering on delusional.
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