Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

[Elysium]

All that jazz said:

So back to the insults then I see, something you claimed only a few hours ago that you never did.

Which part of the above do you disagree with that in your eyes makes me a bigot? In fact I'm struggling to see how we've gone from saying tough titties to someone ineligible to vote or was on holiday at the time, to being a bigot. Why don't you call me a WAAAAAAACIST and xenophone too as that's usually the grand sum of all arguments from the Bitter Remainers.

To be fair that is quite a bigoted post

[PurpleMoonlight]

Coolbanana said:

How does the Government hear your opinion if you exclude yourself from a voting process? Isn't that exactly the point of a voting process? To define the general consensus of opinion?

The referendum was binary though, leave or remain.

Now that has a result though I would hope that the Government will seek to ascertain and and implement what people want leave to be.

[All that jazz]

Greg66 said:

All that jazz said:

Has no right to post his objections on the result in this thread then.

Lols. Buy the site from PH, change the posting rules, and you get your way. Until then, suck it up and smile as you do like a good boy.

Your notions of what a democracy means are ... odd. Perhaps it's not something for you.

I think you need to learn how to read, chap. Perhaps this thread is not something for you.

[anonymous-user]

b2hbm said:

Yep, we'd be in heated agreement on that one. In a democracy you have every right to your own opinion, to vote or decline. I have no problem at all with your statement.

However should a person decide not to vote that person should not criticise the motives/actions/whatever of those that did, and neither should they call the result into question. They had opportunity to influence and declined the option, but to do nothing and start complaining afterwards is strange.

I think that's overly dogmatic. The principle is still "accept the outcome", whether you're talking about a person who voted or didn't. The approach you've set out above would mean that a person who voted can't change their mind after the vote - either way.

Democracy rests both on majority rule *and* the right to protest.

[anonymous-user]

All that jazz said:

I think you need to learn how to read, chap. Perhaps this thread is not something for you.

Hey - that's really good. ISWYDT. You took my last sentence and turned it back on me! Like you're showing me that you;'ve got the upper hand! That's so smart! You need to show other people this "technique" because it's so smart, and makes you look so clever! Then they can look smart and clever too!

Now, back to the point. Where did I mis-read?

[PurpleMoonlight]

All that jazz said:

So back to the insults then I see, something you claimed only a few hours ago that you never did.

It's not an insult when it's a statement of fact.

If you don't want to be called a bigot don't make bigoted remarks.

[All that jazz]

PurpleMoonlight said:

All that jazz said:

So back to the insults then I see, something you claimed only a few hours ago that you never did.

It's not an insult when it's a statement of fact.

If you don't want to be called a bigot don't make bigoted remarks.

You don't seem to have any understanding of the word. To save you looking it up :

"Bigot : One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."

Fact 1 : "PurpleMoonlight was on holiday" - nothing bigoted in saying that that's no-one's fault but his own given the infinite number of media channels that the upcoming referendum was broadcast on.

Fact 2 : "or he might not of had the right to vote?" - nothing bigoted in saying tough titties and therefore no right to air his objections; it's a simple statement of fact because he couldn't/didn't vote.

Fact 3 : "He could be German for all we know." - nothing bigoted here in saying same as above; another statement of fact.

Additional fact : I'm happy to consider and listen to reasoned debate from those having an alternative view point, however I've yet to see any posted in this thread as all I'm seeing is a big flood of tears and angry little men behaving like petulant children, demanding that there is a rerun of the referendum because they didn't get the result they wanted.

[PurpleMoonlight]

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bigot

NOUN

A person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

[PurpleMoonlight]

All that jazz said:

Additional fact : I'm happy to consider and listen to reasoned debate from those having an alternative view point, however I've yet to see any posted in this thread as all I'm seeing is a big flood of tears and angry little men behaving like petulant children, demanding that there is a rerun of the referendum because they didn't get the result they wanted.

Really?

In 300 odd pages you cant find a single comment worth debate about the process and ramifications of Brexit?

[All that jazz]

PurpleMoonlight said:

All that jazz said:

Additional fact : I'm happy to consider and listen to reasoned debate from those having an alternative view point, however I've yet to see any posted in this thread as all I'm seeing is a big flood of tears and angry little men behaving like petulant children, demanding that there is a rerun of the referendum because they didn't get the result they wanted.

Really?

In 300 odd pages you cant find a single comment worth debate about the process and ramifications of Brexit?

Nope. It's the same old rehashed BS of Bitter Remainers calling anyone that voted Brexit a bigot, racist and xenophobe closely followed by posting the NHS pledge pic over and over again. On the rare occasion someone does post something different, it's always such a completely bonkers suggestion/idea/thought that it's not even worthy of a reply - your posts being a perfect example actually.

don'tbesilly said:

You carry on trolling,you and your opinions/views lost all credibility when you stated you didn't vote, nor cared either way.

[FiF]

Derek Smith said:

don'tbesilly said:

Same message rehashed yet again, it gets more desperate each time I read it.

Two questions:
Do you want to remain in the European Union. (No caveats/clauses/T&C's/consequences specified)
Do you want to leave the European Union.(No caveats/clauses/T&C's/consequences specified)

Clever of you to hit the problem with the vote on the head: it was very basic, or as you put it 'no consequences specified. In other words, no one knows what leaving means.

What the government comes away from the negotiations with an option and the house votes for will be specific. The devil is in the detail as always. These specifics are unlikely to satisfy every leave voter.

Thanks for putting my point so precisely.

I not sure how the same message, whatever you interpreted it as, can be more desperate.

However, I assume, as you cut out the main body of my post, that you agree with what I said.

To be fair I thought your earlier point, Derek, was completely fair, as far as it went. It's how the individual acts afterwards that matters.

For example, as a Leaver I don't favour a WTO option exit, never have, probably never will. Yet if that is what the Government achieve, for whatever reason, I have a right to think it's the wrong result. The key would be what actions are taken or not taken about that once the decision and exit are fait accompli.

[PurpleMoonlight]

All that jazz said:

Nope. It's the same old rehashed BS of Bitter Remainers calling anyone that voted Brexit a bigot, racist and xenophobe closely followed by posting the NHS pledge pic over and over again. On the rare occasion someone does post something different, it's always such a completely bonkers suggestion/idea/thought that it's not even worthy of a reply - your posts being a perfect example actually

Then why not make a comment we can all debate with you?

What do you want leave to be?

Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Saturday 24th September 14:07

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don'tbesilly said:

///ajd said:

Perhaps you could get the mods to add a little star next to their username so you can ignore them when they post.

A six pointed star should do the trick.

You can't resist it can you.
You'll deny it as you always do,but it doesn't take much for the true you to be revealed, your 'subtlety' was exposed quite some time ago.

Lol

When I come across such blatent muppetry I can't resist, it's true.

There is a simple solution, however I fear the posters that say such ridiculous things won't be able to stop themselves in the future.

As stated above, if you don't want to be called a bigot, don't post bigoted things.

And pointing out bigotry doesn't make the "pointer out" a bigot. But I expect that will continue to be misunderstood.

[All that jazz]

PurpleMoonlight said:

All that jazz said:

Nope. It's the same old rehashed BS of Bitter Remainers calling anyone that voted Brexit a bigot, racist and xenophobe closely followed by posting the NHS pledge pic over and over again. On the rare occasion someone does post something different, it's always such a completely bonkers suggestion/idea/thought that it's not even worthy

Then why not make a comment we can all debate with you?

What do you want leave to be?

There is nothing to debate. The Brexiter's wanted out of the EU and that's exactly what the PM is putting in motion. Why do you and others persist in trying to keep a dead thread alive asking the same silly pointless questions over and over again? Do you not bother to read news articles and watch the PM on TV? You really should then this thread could be left to die and you wouldn't need to keep spamming it with your nonsense.

[anonymous-user]

Greg66 said:

All that jazz said:

I think you need to learn how to read, chap. Perhaps this thread is not something for you.

Hey - that's really good. ISWYDT. You took my last sentence and turned it back on me! Like you're showing me that you;'ve got the upper hand! That's so smart! You need to show other people this "technique" because it's so smart, and makes you look so clever! Then they can look smart and clever too!

Now, back to the point. Where did I mis-read?

When you're ready.

[///ajd]

All that jazz said:

There is nothing to debate. The Brexiter's wanted out of the EU and that's exactly what the PM is putting in motion. Why do you and others persist in trying to keep a dead thread alive asking the same silly pointless questions over and over again? Do you not bother to read news articles and watch the PM on TV? You really should then this thread could be left to die and you wouldn't need to keep spamming it with your nonsense.

Round and round.

Most of the remainers (as I read it) here want to discuss the outcome of the negotiations and what happens next, and what brexit looks like.

When posts like this are made, the usual come on and say stop bedwetting and get over it.

Some then say "why don't you discuss the future", missng the fact that that is why some are trying to discuss.

The some say "there is nothing to discuss", like above. If you have nothing to discuss, why are you? and why are you trying to stop anyone else discussing anything?

[All that jazz]

Greg66 said:

Greg66 said:

All that jazz said:

I think you need to learn how to read, chap. Perhaps this thread is not something for you.

Hey - that's really good. ISWYDT. You took my last sentence and turned it back on me! Like you're showing me that you;'ve got the upper hand! That's so smart! You need to show other people this "technique" because it's so smart, and makes you look so clever! Then they can look smart and clever too!

Now, back to the point. Where did I mis-read?

When you're ready.

There is nothing to discuss. You're the one that doesn't know what a democracy is, not me, hence why your comment was nonsense.

[PurpleMoonlight]

All that jazz said:

There is nothing to debate. The Brexiter's wanted out of the EU and that's exactly what the PM is putting in motion.

Of course there is.

Do you want out of everything?

Would you accept remaining 'in' to some, eg the single market with or without freedom of movement?

If so, what would you consider an acceptable premium to pay?

How do you want EU citizens living in the UK treated?

The trouble with just voting leave is there was no consensus of opinion of what leave actually meant.

[All that jazz]

[anonymous-user]

Looking forward to the referendum on the 'deal' Brexit liars such as Johnson etc are actually able to negotiate.
I suspect it will fall a million miles short of their pre referendum pledges, most of which have already been confessed as lies of course.