Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

jsf said:

///ajd said:

The lady on QT thought she was being booed - she said "you can boo me in a minute". Pretty clear how the boo was received.

I think you need a certain lack of basic emotional awareness to think you can vote for something that will curtail people from Nation X coming into our country, and think it will have no impact on people from Nation X living in the UK - no matter what assurances you try and give them.

She did, she was wrong.

This country is incredibly accepting of migrants, always has been, There are very few people in the country who haven't been touched by migration in their family history.

What we have seen for the last decade in particular, is that acceptance and history being put under more pressure because the rate of change has been too fast for large sections of our society.

Unfortunately you cant see that, instead you prefer to label everyone who wants to see a stable society by putting some control on the situation, as racist, and you spend you time trying to promote that view.

You are the reason for the fear being ramped up in the migrant population, but you will never see it and you will never change your approach to prevent it.

It is widely accepted in these sort of situations that it is not whether YOU think she was being booed is relevant - it is how SHE perceives it.

Its like the old fahsioned sexists who think that a Page 3 style picture of a birds knockers stuck on an office wall is not doing anyone any harm - it doesn't do them any harm no, but want about the young girl who starts work there - should she just put up with it?

You can say "shes wrong" until you are blue in the face but it won't change the FACT that the brexit vote makes HER feel less welcome in the UK. Its totally obvious that it would. It is staggering that you are even trying to argue that is not the case.

Take responsibility. You must have known it would make foreigners feel less welcome when you voted. Did this really not cross your mind?

Every aspect of this decision crossed my mind.

You're constantly calling people racist for deciding to vote differently you, is a disgrace.

There is clearly work to be done to reassure people like the Polish woman on QT, you are not helping, you are doing quite the opposite.

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

It is widely accepted in these sort of situations that it is not whether YOU think she was being booed is relevant - it is how SHE perceives it.

Its like the old fahsioned sexists who think that a Page 3 style picture of a birds knockers stuck on an office wall is not doing anyone any harm - it doesn't do them any harm no, but want about the young girl who starts work there - should she just put up with it?

You can say "shes wrong" until you are blue in the face but it won't change the FACT that the brexit vote makes HER feel less welcome in the UK. Its totally obvious that it would. It is staggering that you are even trying to argue that is not the case.

Take responsibility. You must have known it would make foreigners feel less welcome when you voted. Did this really not cross your mind?

You can't please everyone. There will always be someone offended at something. If they don't like it, they can leave.......

[///ajd]

NerveAgent said:

jsf said:

You are the reason for the fear being ramped up in the migrant population, but you will never see it and you will never change your approach to prevent it.

So its absolutely nothing to do with the 30+ years of the gutter press...right....

Quite.

Not going to be me booing her in the audience, is it?

I'd be fking clapping and telling her "not in my name!"

It is going terribly well isn't it.

I enjoyed the daily mash take on Mays 1am speech for 5mins that everyone ignored - "whatevas".

"PM loses UK sovereignty to Germany during late night poker match".

[MG CHRIS]

///ajd said:

jsf said:

///ajd said:

The lady on QT thought she was being booed - she said "you can boo me in a minute". Pretty clear how the boo was received.

I think you need a certain lack of basic emotional awareness to think you can vote for something that will curtail people from Nation X coming into our country, and think it will have no impact on people from Nation X living in the UK - no matter what assurances you try and give them.

She did, she was wrong.

This country is incredibly accepting of migrants, always has been, There are very few people in the country who haven't been touched by migration in their family history.

What we have seen for the last decade in particular, is that acceptance and history being put under more pressure because the rate of change has been too fast for large sections of our society.

Unfortunately you cant see that, instead you prefer to label everyone who wants to see a stable society by putting some control on the situation, as racist, and you spend you time trying to promote that view.

You are the reason for the fear being ramped up in the migrant population, but you will never see it and you will never change your approach to prevent it.

It is widely accepted in these sort of situations that it is not whether YOU think she was being booed is relevant - it is how SHE perceives it.

Its like the old fahsioned sexists who think that a Page 3 style picture of a birds knockers stuck on an office wall is not doing anyone any harm - it doesn't do them any harm no, but want about the young girl who starts work there - should she just put up with it?

You can say "shes wrong" until you are blue in the face but it won't change the FACT that the brexit vote makes HER feel less welcome in the UK. Its totally obvious that it would. It is staggering that you are even trying to argue that is not the case.

Take responsibility. You must have known it would make foreigners feel less welcome when you voted. Did this really not cross your mind?

What about large areas of the country that have had a massive influence of immigration to the effect of pushing british people out of the area. These people were ignored and are consistently ignored by politicans by and large and people like you.

Nobody has said we kick out every immigrant the moment we leave or voted for brexit apart from remainers with a chip of their shoulders and the media. The audience didn't boo her for what she said its the way she labelled 17.5 million people as against her which they aren't.

If that's how she feels and it was purely of feelings then its not much others can do I feel like a lot of politicans are ignoring me doesn't make it right for me to say they are against me or the 16million people that voted to stay.

[anonymous-user]

NerveAgent said:

jsf said:

You are the reason for the fear being ramped up in the migrant population, but you will never see it and you will never change your approach to prevent it.

So its absolutely nothing to do with the 30+ years of the gutter press...right....

I don't read the gutter press, but even if that were the case, the Polish woman was happy in this country until just a few months ago, so your 30+ years seems irrelevant in this particular case.

I hope what can come out of this issue, is more work is done to reassure the current EU migrants that they are not unwelcome and people like ///ajd can contribute towards this, rather than doing nothing but trying to reinforce a view that the vast majority do not hold.

[///ajd]

jsf said:

///ajd said:

jsf said:

///ajd said:

The lady on QT thought she was being booed - she said "you can boo me in a minute". Pretty clear how the boo was received.

I think you need a certain lack of basic emotional awareness to think you can vote for something that will curtail people from Nation X coming into our country, and think it will have no impact on people from Nation X living in the UK - no matter what assurances you try and give them.

She did, she was wrong.

This country is incredibly accepting of migrants, always has been, There are very few people in the country who haven't been touched by migration in their family history.

What we have seen for the last decade in particular, is that acceptance and history being put under more pressure because the rate of change has been too fast for large sections of our society.

Unfortunately you cant see that, instead you prefer to label everyone who wants to see a stable society by putting some control on the situation, as racist, and you spend you time trying to promote that view.

You are the reason for the fear being ramped up in the migrant population, but you will never see it and you will never change your approach to prevent it.

It is widely accepted in these sort of situations that it is not whether YOU think she was being booed is relevant - it is how SHE perceives it.

Its like the old fahsioned sexists who think that a Page 3 style picture of a birds knockers stuck on an office wall is not doing anyone any harm - it doesn't do them any harm no, but want about the young girl who starts work there - should she just put up with it?

You can say "shes wrong" until you are blue in the face but it won't change the FACT that the brexit vote makes HER feel less welcome in the UK. Its totally obvious that it would. It is staggering that you are even trying to argue that is not the case.

Take responsibility. You must have known it would make foreigners feel less welcome when you voted. Did this really not cross your mind?

Every aspect of this decision crossed my mind.

You're constantly calling people racist for deciding to vote differently you, is a disgrace.

There is clearly work to be done to reassure people like the Polish woman on QT, you are not helping, you are doing quite the opposite.

Bit late now. Very soft brexit or u-turn are your main options. Hard brexit will define the UK as isolationist anti-foreigner land for a generation. Thanks for that.

Don't blame remainers - we lost remember? Take responsibility for the path you have set this nation on.

Think about Amber Rudds list of foreign workers idea - and consider how the fck that was even thought of, let alone presented in public.

[anonymous-user]

OK ///ajd, I give up. It's pointless having a discussion with someone so blinkered.

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

Quite.

Not going to be me booing her in the audience, is it?

I'd be fking clapping and telling her "not in my name!"

It is going terribly well isn't it.

Seems fine from where I'm sat.

You seem to think everyone should be outraged about this incident. They're not.

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

Bit late now. Very soft brexit or u-turn are your main options. Hard brexit will define the UK as isolationist anti-foreigner land for a generation. Thanks for that.

Don't blame remainers - we lost remember? Take responsibility for the path you have set this nation on.

Think about Amber Rudds list of foreign workers idea - and consider how the fck that was even thought of, let alone presented in public.

no it won't.

I'm happy to take responsibility and I'm also happy with the route we're on - the one out of the EU.

You can keep being outraged about the imaginary racist country we're apparently becoming, but nobody is listening - we're just laughing at you.

[///ajd]

bmw535i said:

///ajd said:

Quite.

Not going to be me booing her in the audience, is it?

I'd be fking clapping and telling her "not in my name!"

It is going terribly well isn't it.

Seems fine from where I'm sat.

You seem to think everyone should be outraged about this incident. They're not.

I can quite imagine that you think booing and jeering at a polish lady when she tries to speak is perfectly acceptable.

I can assure you no one is laughing at you as a result.

[Borghetto]

///ajd said:

I'd be fking clapping and telling her "not in my name!"

You should link up with Lily Allen and start apologising to all and sundry on the UK's behalf - you're not a fading celebrity are you?

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

I can quite imagine that you think booing and jeering at a polish lady when she tries to speak is perfectly acceptable.

I can assure you no one is laughing at you as a result.

I would boo and jeer anybody if they were spouting rubbish, regardless of what country they come from. It makes no odds - an idiot is an idiot.

I know nobody is laughing at me, they're laughing at you (like I already said)

[NerveAgent]

jsf said:

I don't read the gutter press, but even if that were the case, the Polish woman was happy in this country until just a few months ago, so your 30+ years seems irrelevant in this particular case.

I hope what can come out of this issue, is more work is done to reassure the current EU migrants that they are not unwelcome and people like ///ajd can contribute towards this, rather than doing nothing but trying to reinforce a view that the vast majority do not hold.

Nah, millions do hold this view. Always have, but haven't had the testes to publicly air it.

Its just in the current climate, a certain "type" has grown half a bk and a couple of vertebrae to almost act how they really want to. Hence these little (safety in numbers) outbursts.

We aren't allowed to talk about it though, with the professionally outraged, obviously.

[anonymous-user]

NerveAgent said:

jsf said:

I don't read the gutter press, but even if that were the case, the Polish woman was happy in this country until just a few months ago, so your 30+ years seems irrelevant in this particular case.

I hope what can come out of this issue, is more work is done to reassure the current EU migrants that they are not unwelcome and people like ///ajd can contribute towards this, rather than doing nothing but trying to reinforce a view that the vast majority do not hold.

Nah, millions do hold this view. Always have, but haven't had the testes to publicly air it.

Its just in the current climate, a certain "type" has grown half a bk and a couple of vertebrae to almost act how they really want to. Hence these little (safety in numbers) outbursts.

We aren't allowed to talk about it though, with the professionally outraged, obviously.

I don't disagree at all, there will always be a small minority that hold racists views.

What I object to is people like ///ajd saying the majority of people (who voted) in this country are racists. The bloke doesn't know me or my family yet he is happy to suggest I (and 17.4 million others) hate foreigners, on the basis that I want to see some sensible policies in place that assist everyone moving forward.

It's not acceptable.

[davepoth]

jsf said:

I don't disagree at all, there will always be a small minority that hold racists views.

What I object to is people like ///ajd saying the majority of people (who voted) in this country are racists. The bloke doesn't know me or my family yet he is happy to suggest I (and 17.4 million others) hate foreigners, on the basis that I want to see some sensible policies in place that assist everyone moving forward.

It's not acceptable.

I completely agree. I've had some real rows with people all across the internet (mostly from the USA I think) trying to explain this to people. I'll get to them all eventually.

[turbobloke]

davepoth said:

jsf said:

I don't disagree at all, there will always be a small minority that hold racists views.

What I object to is people like ///ajd saying the majority of people (who voted) in this country are racists. The bloke doesn't know me or my family yet he is happy to suggest I (and 17.4 million others) hate foreigners, on the basis that I want to see some sensible policies in place that assist everyone moving forward.

It's not acceptable.

I completely agree. I've had some real rows with people all across the internet (mostly from the USA I think) trying to explain this to people. I'll get to them all eventually.

[turbobloke]

EU nitwit demands Brexit talks are held in French.

May tells the EU to grow up and accept Brexit.

EU drone backs down, followed by a bit of Merkel posturing to save face with her electorate after being beaten on her home turf by AfD.





No house prices or severe winter warning on the Express front page - disappointing - but there is Diana this time, yay.

[anonymous-user]

Well done for holding your hands up George, but how on earth did he not realise his lies would only harden people's resolve. A lot of remainers still can't see that the bullying and lies just made people all the more determined to vote leave.

I guess some people have a complete lack of self awareness

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/n...

[turbobloke]

bmw535i said:

Well done for holding your hands up George, but how on earth did he not realise his lies would only harden people's resolve. A lot of remainers still can't see that the bullying and lies just made people all the more determined to vote leave.

I guess some people have a complete lack of self awareness

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/n...

True enough, but alongside this:

"Osborne has admitted he made 'mistakes' in office and underestimated the resentment the general public had for the establishment in the run-up to Brexit."

There's a need for this:

"Osborne should have admitted he also made 'mistakes' in office by underestimating the resentment the general public had for the EU's incompetence, control freakery and arrogance in the run-up to Brexit."

[turbobloke]

Not forgetting this:

"Osborne should have admitted he made another 'mistake' in office by underestimating the the general public's ability to spot that his nose had grown almost as long as CMD's hooter in the run-up to Brexit."

ETA the poll from that article only has a few votes cast at the mo but it's not good news if Osborne thinks a moment of tactical contrition will save his political career.

Edited by turbobloke on Saturday 22 October 08:53