Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

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///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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230TE said:
///ajd said:
230TE said:
///ajd said:
Well a couple have condemned the plank attack. That's good.

Quite a few would rather attack me. Interesting.

The ramp up in anti-foreigner sentiment rose throughtout the campaign.

The fires were well stoked by May - look at this from Farage in April - "take it to the enemy"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...
Who do you think Farage means by "the enemy"?
The question you should be asking is "why is there an enemy at all?"
Who do you think Farage means by "the enemy"?
That should be obvious - the enemy are the 48% trying to remain in the EU and e.g. allow free movement.

They are really bad guys. To be demonized and insulted and dismissed like any "enemy" - just like we see here.

Quite a little army he has created.

don'tbesilly

13,900 posts

162 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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///ajd said:
230TE said:
///ajd said:
230TE said:
///ajd said:
Well a couple have condemned the plank attack. That's good.

Quite a few would rather attack me. Interesting.

The ramp up in anti-foreigner sentiment rose throughtout the campaign.

The fires were well stoked by May - look at this from Farage in April - "take it to the enemy"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...
Who do you think Farage means by "the enemy"?
The question you should be asking is "why is there an enemy at all?"
Who do you think Farage means by "the enemy"?
That should be obvious - the enemy are the 48% trying to remain in the EU and e.g. allow free movement.

They are really bad guys. To be demonized and insulted and dismissed like any "enemy" - just like we see here.

Quite a little army he has created.
If you read the article it's quite clear the enemy Farage is referring to is not the 48% at all, buy hey ho, it's of no relevance now whatsoever.

It's October we had the referendum, the UK is leaving and Free movement will be no more.

We never see bullying by remainers apparently:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bre...

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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///ajd said:
That should be obvious - the enemy are the 48% trying to remain in the EU and e.g. allow free movement.

They are really bad guys. To be demonized and insulted and dismissed like any "enemy" - just like we see here.

Quite a little army he has created.
Shhhhh stop being silly. You're wrong as usual - it must be awfully frustrating in your little bubble.

I do wonder if you'd just let anybody wander into your house unannounced and not have the slightest concern about the effect it may have.

I know you like to use the subject of immigration to distract you from the devastating fact we're leaving the EU, but your views don't really seem compatible with even the other remainers on here. I wonder why that is.....

On a return to the thread subject, here's some news that should cheer you up - we're all going to unite as one nation - or is that something you'd not want?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/ne...

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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don'tbesilly said:
If you read the article it's quite clear the enemy Farage is referring to is not the 48% at all, buy hey ho, it's of no relevance now whatsoever.

It's October we had the referendum, the UK is leaving and Free movement will be no more.

We never see bullying by remainers apparently:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bre...
I thought they found the enemy the other day and gave him a slap? At least he has resigned now, along with Miss Diane.

230TE

2,506 posts

185 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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///ajd said:
That should be obvious - the enemy are the 48% trying to remain in the EU and e.g. allow free movement.

They are really bad guys. To be demonized and insulted and dismissed like any "enemy" - just like we see here.

Quite a little army he has created.
As I thought - you didn't actually read the article. To be honest, I assumed you were thinking "the enemy" were the immigrants, not the electorate. The latter interpretation was just too retarded to have even crossed my mind. And anyway, if you think Farage is calling the voters "the enemy" what does that have to do with your claims of stirring up hatred against immigrants?

The irony here is that in the article (as you would have realised if you had read it) Farage complains that the Leave campaign is keeping quiet about immigration, just one month before the vote. Yet you insist that the whole campaign was all about immigrants and nothing else.

Quick tip - if you are going to post a link, read the article first. If you don't, others will.

don'tbesilly

13,900 posts

162 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Ghibli said:
I thought they found the enemy the other day and gave him a slap? At least he has resigned now, along with Miss Diane.
confused

I guess that's some obscure reference to UKIP, Wolfe and the other dozy mare, all totally irrelevant now, as it was months ago.

Coma inducing stuff as usual.

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b2hbm

1,291 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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///ajd said:
Well a couple have condemned the plank attack. That's good.

Quite a few would rather attack me. Interesting.

The ramp up in anti-foreigner sentiment rose throughtout the campaign.
The fires were well stoked by May - look at this from Farage in April - "take it to the enemy"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...
Now come on, if you want people to treat and debate with you like an adult then act like one. (I suppose you'll claim that's "another attack" ? )

The incident you posted was from before the referendum and let's face it, you only linked there because you read the first few lines and the article date of 21st October, so you jumped in thinking it was recent. It was some drunken thug who went on the rampage and attacked a Spanish couple. Pretty awful we'd all agree but nothing at all to do with this topic and absolutely zero linkage to the EU referendum.

Stop clutching at straws. We're not going to U-turn on the basis of a nutter with a plank of wood, nor any other "racist" incidents. It's just not going to happen, so why not keep your posts to potential reasons for U-turns ? All you do by insinuating that by voting to leave people were voting as racists is to get everyone's back up and ultimately that stifles debate.

This thread is entitled "could the UK U-turn on the Referendum Result". In your recent posts you have tried to follow a racist agenda whilst attempting to portray yourself as a moral compass for integration within the UK. Racism has nothing to do with the title of this thread. If you want to talk about racism in this country, then start another thread with that as the headline topic.

Elysium

13,758 posts

186 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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bmw535i said:
On a return to the thread subject, here's some news that should cheer you up - we're all going to unite as one nation - or is that something you'd not want?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/ne...
That is one of the stupidest articles I have ever read. Theresa May is going to ORDER the Scottish to pull together for the good of the nation.

How do you think the SNP government who represent a nation that voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU will respond to that?



turbobloke

103,744 posts

259 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Elysium said:
bmw535i said:
On a return to the thread subject, here's some news that should cheer you up - we're all going to unite as one nation - or is that something you'd not want?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/ne...
That is one of the stupidest articles I have ever read. Theresa May is going to ORDER the Scottish to pull together for the good of the nation.

How do you think the SNP government who represent a nation that voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU will respond to that?
Can't answer for bmw535i, but a fundamental point remains whereas Scotland won't remain smile

The fundamental point is that Scotland voted as part of the UK not as a single country - Sturgeon hasn't managed to gain independence yet - and the UK voted to Leave.

As the EU has pointed out, the entire UK is leaving, Sturgeon can't just stay in because she and not enough others don't want to Leave.

Scotland can apply for EU membership if and when they're an independent nation, the best of luck to them on both fronts. Neither of those aims is a foregone conclusion.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Elysium said:
That is one of the stupidest articles I have ever read. Theresa May is going to ORDER the Scottish to pull together for the good of the nation.

How do you think the SNP government who represent a nation that voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU will respond to that?
I don't particularly care how they respond.

The UK voted to leave, that's what will happen.

berlintaxi

8,535 posts

172 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Elysium said:
bmw535i said:
On a return to the thread subject, here's some news that should cheer you up - we're all going to unite as one nation - or is that something you'd not want?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/ne...
That is one of the stupidest articles I have ever read. Theresa May is going to ORDER the Scottish to pull together for the good of the nation.

How do you think the SNP government who represent a nation that voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU will respond to that?
He is quoting a story from The Sun, well known reporter of accurate stories.rolleyes

turbobloke

103,744 posts

259 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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berlintaxi said:
Elysium said:
bmw535i said:
On a return to the thread subject, here's some news that should cheer you up - we're all going to unite as one nation - or is that something you'd not want?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/ne...
That is one of the stupidest articles I have ever read. Theresa May is going to ORDER the Scottish to pull together for the good of the nation.

How do you think the SNP government who represent a nation that voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU will respond to that?
He is quoting a story from The Sun, well known reporter of accurate stories.rolleyes
If The Sun is fabricating May's words/intended words then you have a point. It's doubtful they are.

More words from The Sun which appeared three days after the vote, but actually from the EU unless this is also fabricated. Sturgeon and others can't comprehend what's happening and what they're being told, but that's their problem.

The Sun said:
Brussels have put the brakes on Sturgeon’s plans – saying all of the UK must leave, and Scotland must reapply if they wish to remain.

An EU briefing sent to MEPs by the European Parliamentary Research Service confirmed part of a member state can’t “remain in the EU if the member state itself withdraws”.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1344002/eu-referendum-scotland-dealt-blow-by-brussels-as-nicola-sturgeon-is-told-they-must-leave-with-the-rest-of-the-uk/

The Daily Express said much the same thing back in August, though it was the Foreign Office not the Express or Theresa May.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/696711/Brex...

Link said:
Theresa May SLAPS DOWN Nicola Sturgeon: WE are in charge of Brexit, NOT you.
Clear enough. Whether Sturgeon plays a straight bat, or goes bodyline for her own political ambitions, remains to be seen.

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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b2hbm said:
///ajd said:
Well a couple have condemned the plank attack. That's good.

Quite a few would rather attack me. Interesting.

The ramp up in anti-foreigner sentiment rose throughtout the campaign.
The fires were well stoked by May - look at this from Farage in April - "take it to the enemy"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...
Now come on, if you want people to treat and debate with you like an adult then act like one. (I suppose you'll claim that's "another attack" ? )

The incident you posted was from before the referendum and let's face it, you only linked there because you read the first few lines and the article date of 21st October, so you jumped in thinking it was recent. It was some drunken thug who went on the rampage and attacked a Spanish couple. Pretty awful we'd all agree but nothing at all to do with this topic and absolutely zero linkage to the EU referendum.

Stop clutching at straws. We're not going to U-turn on the basis of a nutter with a plank of wood, nor any other "racist" incidents. It's just not going to happen, so why not keep your posts to potential reasons for U-turns ? All you do by insinuating that by voting to leave people were voting as racists is to get everyone's back up and ultimately that stifles debate.

This thread is entitled "could the UK U-turn on the Referendum Result". In your recent posts you have tried to follow a racist agenda whilst attempting to portray yourself as a moral compass for integration within the UK. Racism has nothing to do with the title of this thread. If you want to talk about racism in this country, then start another thread with that as the headline topic.
My intent has never been that label all brexiteers as racist.

Never.

I've tried to discuss the links between feelings about immigration and the vote.

There are clear links.

My own view is that the downsides of immigration have been exaggerated by certain actors and fuelled by the media to the point where its seen as a massive problem.

But as you all keep saying, you're not racists or against foreigners.

Which leads to my questions about how immigration has directly affected those intent on control. I got some answers but not many, and many seemed 3rd hand.

I still have the feeling that much of the feeling is one created by Farage and the media rather than a genuine problem worth threatening our economy. Sure you can dredge up stories from Boston, but are we not really looking at the effects of economic downturn in any case? Is blaming immigrants and cutting their numbers going to boost the economy in Boston? I suspect the opposite is the case.

My point therefore is not to label brexiteers as racists - but to ask a question. Are the immigration concerns a valid reason (based on hard justified evidence) to define the crucial future economic direction of our country (notably for FMoL and the SM)?

I'm just not convinced they are.





Edited by ///ajd on Monday 24th October 09:36

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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///ajd said:
My intent has never been that label all brexiteers as racist.

Never.

I've tried to discuss the links between feelings about immigration and the vote.

There are clear links.

My own view is that the downsides of immigration have been exaggerated by certain actors and fuelled by the media to the point where its seen as a massive problem.

But as you all keep saying, you're not racists or against foreigners.

Which leads to my questions about how immigration has directly affected those intent on control. I got some answers but not many, and many seemed 3rd hand.

I still have the feeling that much of the feeling is one created by Farage and the media rather than a genuine problem worth threatening our economy. Sure you can dredge up stories from Boston, but are we not really looking at the effects of economic downturn in any case? Is blaming immigrants and cutting their numbers going to boost the economy in Boston? I suspect the opposite is the case.

My point therefore is not to label brexiteers as racists - but to ask a question. Are the immigration concerns a valid reason (based on hard justified evidence) to define the crucial future economic direction of our country (notably for FMoL and the SM)?

I'm just not convinced they are.





Edited by ///ajd on Monday 24th October 09:36
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768

13,601 posts

95 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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///ajd said:
My intent has never been that label all brexiteers as racist.

Never.

I've tried to discuss the links between feelings about immigration and the vote.

There are clear links.
If you don't want to label leave voters as racist, stop doing it. Especially when it's pretty clear it was voting to remain that was actually a vote for a racist immigration policy.

///ajd said:
My own view is that the downsides of immigration have been exaggerated by certain actors and fuelled by the media to the point where its seen as a massive problem.

But as you all keep saying, you're not racists or against foreigners.

Which leads to my questions about how immigration has directly affected those intent on control. I got some answers but not many, and many seemed 3rd hand.

I still have the feeling that much of the feeling is one created by Farage and the media rather than a genuine problem worth threatening our economy. Sure you can dredge up stories from Boston, but are we not really looking at the effects of economic downturn in any case? Is blaming immigrants and cutting their numbers going to boost the economy in Boston? I suspect the opposite is the case.

My point therefore is not to label brexiteers as racists - but to ask a question. Are the immigration concerns a valid reason (based on hard justified evidence) to define the crucial future economic direction of our country (notably for FMoL and the SM)?

I'm just not convinced they are.
The immigration disaster is just a symptom of the cause, which very much is a reason to define a future economic direction of the country.

berlintaxi

8,535 posts

172 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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turbobloke said:
berlintaxi said:
Elysium said:
bmw535i said:
On a return to the thread subject, here's some news that should cheer you up - we're all going to unite as one nation - or is that something you'd not want?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/ne...
That is one of the stupidest articles I have ever read. Theresa May is going to ORDER the Scottish to pull together for the good of the nation.

How do you think the SNP government who represent a nation that voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU will respond to that?
He is quoting a story from The Sun, well known reporter of accurate stories.rolleyes
If The Sun is fabricating May's words/intended words then you have a point. It's doubtful they are.

More words from The Sun which appeared three days after the vote, but actually from the EU unless this is also fabricated. Sturgeon and others can't comprehend what's happening and what they're being told, but that's their problem.

The Sun said:
Brussels have put the brakes on Sturgeon’s plans – saying all of the UK must leave, and Scotland must reapply if they wish to remain.

An EU briefing sent to MEPs by the European Parliamentary Research Service confirmed part of a member state can’t “remain in the EU if the member state itself withdraws”.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1344002/eu-referendum-scotland-dealt-blow-by-brussels-as-nicola-sturgeon-is-told-they-must-leave-with-the-rest-of-the-uk/

The Daily Express said much the same thing back in August, though it was the Foreign Office not the Express or Theresa May.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/696711/Brex...

Link said:
Theresa May SLAPS DOWN Nicola Sturgeon: WE are in charge of Brexit, NOT you.
Clear enough. Whether Sturgeon plays a straight bat, or goes bodyline for her own political ambitions, remains to be seen.
The Sun and Daily Express.rofl

andymadmak

14,485 posts

269 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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///ajd said:
My intent has never been that label all brexiteers as racist.

Never.
Nonsense.

turbobloke

103,744 posts

259 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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berlintaxi said:
turbobloke said:
berlintaxi said:
Elysium said:
bmw535i said:
On a return to the thread subject, here's some news that should cheer you up - we're all going to unite as one nation - or is that something you'd not want?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/ne...
That is one of the stupidest articles I have ever read. Theresa May is going to ORDER the Scottish to pull together for the good of the nation.

How do you think the SNP government who represent a nation that voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU will respond to that?
He is quoting a story from The Sun, well known reporter of accurate stories.rolleyes
If The Sun is fabricating May's words/intended words then you have a point. It's doubtful they are.

More words from The Sun which appeared three days after the vote, but actually from the EU unless this is also fabricated. Sturgeon and others can't comprehend what's happening and what they're being told, but that's their problem.

The Sun said:
Brussels have put the brakes on Sturgeon’s plans – saying all of the UK must leave, and Scotland must reapply if they wish to remain.

An EU briefing sent to MEPs by the European Parliamentary Research Service confirmed part of a member state can’t “remain in the EU if the member state itself withdraws”.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1344002/eu-referendum-scotland-dealt-blow-by-brussels-as-nicola-sturgeon-is-told-they-must-leave-with-the-rest-of-the-uk/

The Daily Express said much the same thing back in August, though it was the Foreign Office not the Express or Theresa May.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/696711/Brex...

Link said:
Theresa May SLAPS DOWN Nicola Sturgeon: WE are in charge of Brexit, NOT you.
Clear enough. Whether Sturgeon plays a straight bat, or goes bodyline for her own political ambitions, remains to be seen.
The Sun and Daily Express.rofl
Not editorials though, so not them speaking as it were but May & Co as well as an official EU briefing paper.

Doesn't understand primary and secondary sources rofl

berlintaxi

8,535 posts

172 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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turbobloke said:
berlintaxi said:
turbobloke said:
berlintaxi said:
Elysium said:
bmw535i said:
On a return to the thread subject, here's some news that should cheer you up - we're all going to unite as one nation - or is that something you'd not want?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/ne...
That is one of the stupidest articles I have ever read. Theresa May is going to ORDER the Scottish to pull together for the good of the nation.

How do you think the SNP government who represent a nation that voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU will respond to that?
He is quoting a story from The Sun, well known reporter of accurate stories.rolleyes
If The Sun is fabricating May's words/intended words then you have a point. It's doubtful they are.

More words from The Sun which appeared three days after the vote, but actually from the EU unless this is also fabricated. Sturgeon and others can't comprehend what's happening and what they're being told, but that's their problem.

The Sun said:
Brussels have put the brakes on Sturgeon’s plans – saying all of the UK must leave, and Scotland must reapply if they wish to remain.

An EU briefing sent to MEPs by the European Parliamentary Research Service confirmed part of a member state can’t “remain in the EU if the member state itself withdraws”.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1344002/eu-referendum-scotland-dealt-blow-by-brussels-as-nicola-sturgeon-is-told-they-must-leave-with-the-rest-of-the-uk/

The Daily Express said much the same thing back in August, though it was the Foreign Office not the Express or Theresa May.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/696711/Brex...

Link said:
Theresa May SLAPS DOWN Nicola Sturgeon: WE are in charge of Brexit, NOT you.
Clear enough. Whether Sturgeon plays a straight bat, or goes bodyline for her own political ambitions, remains to be seen.
The Sun and Daily Express.rofl
Not editorials though, so not them speaking as it were but May & Co as well as an official EU briefing paper.

Doesn't understand primary and secondary sources rofl
Doesn't understand spin.rofl

turbobloke

103,744 posts

259 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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berlintaxi said:
Doesn't understand spin.rofl
Hang on, are you seriously suggesting that the content of an official EU briefing note sent to MEPs is spin simply because it's reported in either The Sun or the Daily Express? That's nonsense.

You probably understand the difference between primary and secondary sources now, so there's no need for too much protesting and smilies to hide your lack of prior knowledge.
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