Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
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Looking at Tusk this morning, he was actually white with shock!, The EU (presidents) 
are the one's who's greed, narcissism and disengagement from reality have caused the result.
It will be an utter kick in the nuts for them and I'm not sure they know how to deal with it. I started a post a few months back about how long the EU would last in the event of Brexit. Most seemed to think us leaving would be insignificant, now it is a reality, so it will be very interesting to see what happens going forward.
are the one's who's greed, narcissism and disengagement from reality have caused the result.It will be an utter kick in the nuts for them and I'm not sure they know how to deal with it. I started a post a few months back about how long the EU would last in the event of Brexit. Most seemed to think us leaving would be insignificant, now it is a reality, so it will be very interesting to see what happens going forward.
Monkeylegend said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Even now the arrogant EU elite have not even asked WHY over half the voters in a country of 65.5 million people preferred to vote leave, and face the unknown, than stay with the corrupt failing EU.
Perhaps if they had looked at what is wrong and is going wrong with themselves first and had done something about it, a Brexit referendum would not have been needed or happened at all. the EU only has itself to blame for what has happened. Of course they wont see that and try to pin blame on everything and anything, but themselves.
17.4 million out of 65.5 million is considerably less than half.Perhaps if they had looked at what is wrong and is going wrong with themselves first and had done something about it, a Brexit referendum would not have been needed or happened at all. the EU only has itself to blame for what has happened. Of course they wont see that and try to pin blame on everything and anything, but themselves.
13 million under 18s cant vote - they dont count as voters
leaves 52 million.
9 million CHOSE not to register to vote - they dont count as voters
43 m registered to vote.
10 million CHOSE not to vote and abdicated their responsibility - they dont count as voters
that left 33 million VOTERS
17 million of those chose out.
Clear majority.
Derek Smith said:
Monkeylegend said:
Farage has already backtracked on NHS investment.
He promised nothing. He's no one. he's just some guy. Anyone who took anything he said at face value is an idiot. He's got no way of fulfilling his promises, he's not in government.
mondeoman said:
Monkeylegend said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Even now the arrogant EU elite have not even asked WHY over half the voters in a country of 65.5 million people preferred to vote leave, and face the unknown, than stay with the corrupt failing EU.
Perhaps if they had looked at what is wrong and is going wrong with themselves first and had done something about it, a Brexit referendum would not have been needed or happened at all. the EU only has itself to blame for what has happened. Of course they wont see that and try to pin blame on everything and anything, but themselves.
17.4 million out of 65.5 million is considerably less than half.Perhaps if they had looked at what is wrong and is going wrong with themselves first and had done something about it, a Brexit referendum would not have been needed or happened at all. the EU only has itself to blame for what has happened. Of course they wont see that and try to pin blame on everything and anything, but themselves.
13 million under 18s cant vote - they dont count as voters
leaves 52 million.
9 million CHOSE not to register to vote - they dont count as voters
43 m registered to vote.
10 million CHOSE not to vote and abdicated their responsibility - they dont count as voters
that left 33 million VOTERS
17 million of those chose out.
Clear majority.
Monkeylegend said:
Derek Smith said:
Monkeylegend said:
Farage has already backtracked on NHS investment.
He promised nothing. He's no one. he's just some guy. Anyone who took anything he said at face value is an idiot. He's got no way of fulfilling his promises, he's not in government.If the Remain had won by 1 vote that would have been it, now unable to comprehend millions of people don't agree with their jaundiced view of how the world should run, the activists among them want to moan it isn't a democratic mandate. Worse, others would like to talk us into/revel in economic disaster - just to be proved 'right'. What an unpleasant bunch. No wonder people saw though them.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Monkeylegend said:
Derek Smith said:
Monkeylegend said:
Farage has already backtracked on NHS investment.
He promised nothing. He's no one. he's just some guy. Anyone who took anything he said at face value is an idiot. He's got no way of fulfilling his promises, he's not in government.If the Remain had won by 1 vote that would have been it, now unable to comprehend millions of people don't agree with their jaundiced view of how the world should run, the activists among them want to moan it isn't a democratic mandate. Worse, others would like to talk us into/revel in economic disaster - just to be proved 'right'. What an unpleasant bunch. No wonder people saw though them.
CrutyRammers said:
I've been saying this all along. Losing the vote is not the end for our masters, now they will switch to plan b. You can bet your ass that that is not invoking article 50
I also think that will happen. Was talking with my mate about it who also voted out and he says it wouldn't be allowed to happen. I'm perhaps too cynical but I've got a £50 bet with him that invoking Article 50 won't happen.The EU Party Bus must not be allowed to stop at any cost and while the naughty UK has just caused one of the wheels to come off it will be swiftly bodged back on then the UK will get their bottom smacked and told to stop being so disobediant and the Party will go on.
V88Dicky said:
Monkeylegend said:
V88Dicky said:
Monkeylegend said:
17.4 million out of 65.5 million is considerably less than half.
You want 0 - 17 year olds to vote? 
Monkeylegend said:
V88Dicky said:
Monkeylegend said:
V88Dicky said:
Monkeylegend said:
17.4 million out of 65.5 million is considerably less than half.
You want 0 - 17 year olds to vote? 
V88Dicky said:
Monkeylegend said:
V88Dicky said:
Monkeylegend said:
V88Dicky said:
Monkeylegend said:
17.4 million out of 65.5 million is considerably less than half.
You want 0 - 17 year olds to vote? 
ash73 said:
Initially on the fence, eventually decided on Leave but it wasn't clear cut. Had a bit of a wobble last night when I saw folk on the telly repeatedly talking about immigration, because the core issue for me is Brussels pulling the strings. Astonished by the result, I think I see it as arriving at the right answer for partly the wrong reasons; the obvious prejudice around immigration could foster a bigoted little-island view of the world and is a risk to the process.
I'd have seen you as a remain along with crankedup so it's a surprise to see which way you two voted.Derek Smith said:
We will probably stay in the EU in an arrangement similar to Norway's. It will, if the EU has any sense, be at a virtually identical cost as we'll get something back, the seas probably, although we don't have the boats to fish them.
So nothing fundamental changes.
There is no chance whatsoever that we'll stay in the EU. Some disgruntled Remainers might be having a dream about it but it's not going to happen.So nothing fundamental changes.
Robertj21a said:
Derek Smith said:
We will probably stay in the EU in an arrangement similar to Norway's. It will, if the EU has any sense, be at a virtually identical cost as we'll get something back, the seas probably, although we don't have the boats to fish them.
So nothing fundamental changes.
There is no chance whatsoever that we'll stay in the EU. Some disgruntled Remainers might be having a dream about it but it's not going to happen.So nothing fundamental changes.
I had a conversation with my Sweden-based brother today, he didn't understand the significance of Sweden refusing to join the Euro, but the Euro is going to destroy the EU if it isn't supported by full political integration, which must include everyone using the Euro.
To be honest, now I type that out and consider that no one else is going to join the Euro, except maybe Scotland, it's completely doomed isn't it.
Right now the EU is behaving like a bloke whose long-term partner has just walked out. "Yay! I can drink beer every night, have all my mates round for a big party and not get nagged for leaving dirty socks on the bedroom floor." This will last as long as it takes for the EU to run out of clean socks (i.e. about a week). After that the real haggling starts. My feeling is that we will still be a member of the EU five years from now, but it won't be the same EU we just voted to leave. Losing Britain is a massive blow to the EU's ambitions to be a world player. It damages its prestige, and the whole thing is all about prestige.
As soon as I saw the out vote I said pretty much what the op said.
We are now being shown a taste of how bad things could be, cameron hasn't used article 50 because he doesn't want to, afaik Boris has hinted at not needing to rush into it.
Eu masters are acting like spoilt children telling us to get out now etc etc.
I don't know how it will unfold bit we will end up staying somehow, and the electorate will be thankful. There's no way the eu are going to give us a load of generous concessions, that would just open the doors to other countries doing the same thing which will be a big no no.
We are now being shown a taste of how bad things could be, cameron hasn't used article 50 because he doesn't want to, afaik Boris has hinted at not needing to rush into it.
Eu masters are acting like spoilt children telling us to get out now etc etc.
I don't know how it will unfold bit we will end up staying somehow, and the electorate will be thankful. There's no way the eu are going to give us a load of generous concessions, that would just open the doors to other countries doing the same thing which will be a big no no.
Angela Merkels use of the u-word in her statement today makes it very clear where Europe is headed.
From the BBC website..
Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany
"We take note of the British people's decision with regret. There is no doubt that this is a blow to Europe and to the European unification process."
Mrs Merkel said that because of its history, Germany has "a particular interest and a particular responsibility" to make European unity a success.
From the BBC website..
Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany
"We take note of the British people's decision with regret. There is no doubt that this is a blow to Europe and to the European unification process."
Mrs Merkel said that because of its history, Germany has "a particular interest and a particular responsibility" to make European unity a success.
wilwak said:
Angela Merkels use of the u-word in her statement today makes it very clear where Europe is headed.
From the BBC website..
Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany
"We take note of the British people's decision with regret. There is no doubt that this is a blow to Europe and to the European unification process."
Mrs Merkel said that because of its history, Germany has "a particular interest and a particular responsibility" to make European unity a success.
Ex-French finance minister on Today this morning called it "United Europe"... One step away from the United States of Europe. Does that make us the local equivalent of Canada?!From the BBC website..
Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany
"We take note of the British people's decision with regret. There is no doubt that this is a blow to Europe and to the European unification process."
Mrs Merkel said that because of its history, Germany has "a particular interest and a particular responsibility" to make European unity a success.
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