Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
Discussion
I'm increasingly thinking when this is all done with the 51% will not recognise in what they get with what they they think they voted for. I'm not even sure what May and her team are keeping secret in what was voted for. I thought it was simple
- we're making our own laws
- we're deciding who can come and settle in our country
- we're deciding which trade deals we get involved in and with who
- we're deciding where we spend our money
What have I missed?
- we're making our own laws
- we're deciding who can come and settle in our country
- we're deciding which trade deals we get involved in and with who
- we're deciding where we spend our money
What have I missed?
I just don't see what the problem is.
An Act of Parliament, a debate, a vote and its Article 50 here we come.
The only thing May needs to do is to call a General Election for one week after their vote. Let them vote, let them be judged on how they voted. I just don't see many MPs going against the referendum result. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!
It should be a free vote, too, but not a secret ballot. Their constituents should know how they voted. They might agree, they might not.
An Act of Parliament, a debate, a vote and its Article 50 here we come.
The only thing May needs to do is to call a General Election for one week after their vote. Let them vote, let them be judged on how they voted. I just don't see many MPs going against the referendum result. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!
It should be a free vote, too, but not a secret ballot. Their constituents should know how they voted. They might agree, they might not.
Don said:
I just don't see what the problem is.
An Act of Parliament, a debate, a vote and its Article 50 here we come.
The only thing May needs to do is to call a General Election for one week after their vote. Let them vote, let them be judged on how they voted. I just don't see many MPs going against the referendum result. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!
It should be a free vote, too, but not a secret ballot. Their constituents should know how they voted. They might agree, they might not.
The problem is the public voted. The government are supposed to run the country in the interest of the people who live in it. They are technically owned by the public. So the goverment voting on article 50 is irrelevant because the people have already made the choice.An Act of Parliament, a debate, a vote and its Article 50 here we come.
The only thing May needs to do is to call a General Election for one week after their vote. Let them vote, let them be judged on how they voted. I just don't see many MPs going against the referendum result. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!
It should be a free vote, too, but not a secret ballot. Their constituents should know how they voted. They might agree, they might not.
If they vote and it gets a no its basically saying "f
k what the public think" which means that we don't live in a democracy, you know, where votes count?And as an interesting aside it is funny how many assumptions remainers make of leavers. I voted leave but only because of the economic reasons. If I could I would vote "Leave due to economic reasons but allow hard working people to still come and live here" but instead it is a black and white yes or no. It makes no sense for us to keep paying France and Poland loads of money "cos we do too well in business and they don't".
Don said:
I just don't see what the problem is.
An Act of Parliament, a debate, a vote and its Article 50 here we come.
The only thing May needs to do is to call a General Election for one week after their vote. Let them vote, let them be judged on how they voted. I just don't see many MPs going against the referendum result. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!
It should be a free vote, too, but not a secret ballot. Their constituents should know how they voted. They might agree, they might not.
Same, I don't see this court case as anything significant. The only thing it will do is cause divide and uncertainty - something remain voters claim not to want.An Act of Parliament, a debate, a vote and its Article 50 here we come.
The only thing May needs to do is to call a General Election for one week after their vote. Let them vote, let them be judged on how they voted. I just don't see many MPs going against the referendum result. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!
It should be a free vote, too, but not a secret ballot. Their constituents should know how they voted. They might agree, they might not.
If an MP voted to hold the referendum and then decides to vote against the result should they get a chance, well, I don't see them having much of a career afterwards.
feef said:
The outcome of the 1975 referendum was binding as it was written into the Referendum Act 1975.
It had been debated in parliament and the bill was written as such.
The referendum last year was subject to the European Union Referendum Act 2015 which contained no such requirement. I suppose they COULD have put it in there if it had been suitably debated.
The referendum as it was could never have been enacted without a debate in parliament
That's as I read it, would it not be slightly ironic if we could not leave the EU due to a EU law.It had been debated in parliament and the bill was written as such.
The referendum last year was subject to the European Union Referendum Act 2015 which contained no such requirement. I suppose they COULD have put it in there if it had been suitably debated.
The referendum as it was could never have been enacted without a debate in parliament
twoblacklines said:
Article 50 is not going to happen. She never wanted it to happen, she was a strong Remain supporter. They will drag it out until Labor inevitably gets voted back in and hands us back to the EU with even less rights than we had before.
The UK as we know it is finished, this whole debacle has proved we have ZERO power, and that even when our public vote to leave the EU, we can't, because our Goverment won't allow it. End of democracy.
Calm down matey. Exit will happen. It just has to be done legally. These past few hours have been highly enlightening. The UK as we know it is finished, this whole debacle has proved we have ZERO power, and that even when our public vote to leave the EU, we can't, because our Goverment won't allow it. End of democracy.
We have found that Remainers who have spent the past 4 months whingeing every day now actually have the nerve to tell Brexiteers to "suck it up" within a few hours of a result which they interpret as going in their favour. It tells you everything you need to know about the levels of hypocrisy that these people will sink to.
We have also found out that there is rarely as nauseating a sight as a (deluded) Remainer who thinks the result of the Referendum has just been successfully circumvented. - imagine their chagrin when it DOES happen after all.
We have also found out that this part of a simple legal process has yet to run its course. Bizarrely, some Remainers seem to think they have won a great victory, and that membership of their beloved EU is somehow saved - It isn't. We are still leaving. Might take a couple of extra months, but we are still on our way out.
Because, and this is the very simple part that Remainers on here seem to wilfully ignore, the country voted out. The past 4 months have shown how shabby the Remain camp is and, unlike Jawknee I really see no appetite to Remain, rather I see a slightly increased appetite to leave.
The people WILL win, or there will be a lot of unseated MPs come the next election
PRTVR said:
feef said:
The outcome of the 1975 referendum was binding as it was written into the Referendum Act 1975.
It had been debated in parliament and the bill was written as such.
The referendum last year was subject to the European Union Referendum Act 2015 which contained no such requirement. I suppose they COULD have put it in there if it had been suitably debated.
The referendum as it was could never have been enacted without a debate in parliament
That's as I read it, would it not be slightly ironic if we could not leave the EU due to a EU law.It had been debated in parliament and the bill was written as such.
The referendum last year was subject to the European Union Referendum Act 2015 which contained no such requirement. I suppose they COULD have put it in there if it had been suitably debated.
The referendum as it was could never have been enacted without a debate in parliament
twoblacklines said:
Don said:
I just don't see what the problem is.
An Act of Parliament, a debate, a vote and its Article 50 here we come.
The only thing May needs to do is to call a General Election for one week after their vote. Let them vote, let them be judged on how they voted. I just don't see many MPs going against the referendum result. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!
It should be a free vote, too, but not a secret ballot. Their constituents should know how they voted. They might agree, they might not.
The problem is the public voted. The government are supposed to run the country in the interest of the people who live in it. They are technically owned by the public. So the goverment voting on article 50 is irrelevant because the people have already made the choice.An Act of Parliament, a debate, a vote and its Article 50 here we come.
The only thing May needs to do is to call a General Election for one week after their vote. Let them vote, let them be judged on how they voted. I just don't see many MPs going against the referendum result. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!
It should be a free vote, too, but not a secret ballot. Their constituents should know how they voted. They might agree, they might not.
If they vote and it gets a no its basically saying "f
k what the public think" which means that we don't live in a democracy, you know, where votes count?And as an interesting aside it is funny how many assumptions remainers make of leavers. I voted leave but only because of the economic reasons. If I could I would vote "Leave due to economic reasons but allow hard working people to still come and live here" but instead it is a black and white yes or no. It makes no sense for us to keep paying France and Poland loads of money "cos we do too well in business and they don't".
Should there actually be a Parliamentary vote on the implementation of the referendum results I suspect that a lot of MP's who are aware their electorate are strongly in favour of Brexit are kacking their pants should they vote remain.
On the other hand, should a Political Party appear in time for the next General Election that promises just two things, a dogged pursuit of the result of the 2016 Referendum and also a top-down overhaul of the Judiciary, I wonder how much support they might gain?
On the other hand, should a Political Party appear in time for the next General Election that promises just two things, a dogged pursuit of the result of the 2016 Referendum and also a top-down overhaul of the Judiciary, I wonder how much support they might gain?
Zod said:
PRTVR said:
feef said:
The outcome of the 1975 referendum was binding as it was written into the Referendum Act 1975.
It had been debated in parliament and the bill was written as such.
The referendum last year was subject to the European Union Referendum Act 2015 which contained no such requirement. I suppose they COULD have put it in there if it had been suitably debated.
The referendum as it was could never have been enacted without a debate in parliament
That's as I read it, would it not be slightly ironic if we could not leave the EU due to a EU law.It had been debated in parliament and the bill was written as such.
The referendum last year was subject to the European Union Referendum Act 2015 which contained no such requirement. I suppose they COULD have put it in there if it had been suitably debated.
The referendum as it was could never have been enacted without a debate in parliament
///ajd said:
Fine thanks.Your point?
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