Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

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Puggit

48,355 posts

247 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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rscott said:
Serious question - what concessions would you like to see the EU offer?
It's a very valid question, and actually not one I was ready to answer.

Your ideas are certainly in the right direction, but will they appeal to the mass of Labour voters who swung this?

tankplanker

2,479 posts

278 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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beanoir said:
I'm not so sure, normally I'd be right with you on that, but it's only 51.9% of the electorate and I suspect there is a further fair percentage of those that voted Leave who, in the cold light of day are wondering if that was such a great idea. So if those not quite sure, added to the 48.1% who voted Remain provide a majority, were to be presented with a well negotiated deal that had been negotiated with the EU by a man with the power vested in him to invoke Article 50 in his back pocket, I can start to see how it might be work.

If they wanted a bigger majority to decide such a decision then it should have been spelt out before the referendum, they don't get to change the rules afterwards just because they don't like the result.

I can't see us coming back from the referendum as the EU leadership are publicly stating no further negotiations and that they want to speed up the Brexit process. The EU can't afford to back down now as every Country will just repeat the process.

Cameron refusing to deal with the process and taking his sweet time leaving to allow for a favoured replacement to get some distance from the Remain fiasco isn't going to cut it.

fido

16,752 posts

254 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Out is Out. Let's just cut an amicable deal and move on - I suggest the whingers either shut up or move to the EU. As Leaver - I was surprised that Leave won - so 3 months to let it sink in would be a good idea.

Edited by fido on Friday 24th June 16:20

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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kiethton said:
But buyers remorse at the expense of the young :/
Bit of a moot point if some of the other EU nations get their referenda, but also, what the data does not show is the percentages of each age bracket that actually voted.

Puggit

48,355 posts

247 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Digga said:
it of a moot point if some of the other EU nations get their referenda, but also, what the data does not show is the percentages of each age bracket that actually voted.
Because it's unknown. The age data is from limited exit polls

don'tbesilly

13,900 posts

162 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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If Iceland beat England next Monday it had better be by at least 10 goals or I'm going to set up a petition for a rematch.

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Puggit said:
No we haven't.

CMD has declined to trigger the process. Parliament has no appetite to act. We have 3 months at least of wrangling.
I don't think the EU gives a toss if we have or haven't filled in the right form yet - the electorate pulled the plug.

The wrangling is going to be rather one sided, we've got our cards face up on the table and limited time.

The EU finance minister said this morning 'The city of London has handed in it's passport to Europe, and cities are queueing now to replace it.'

ralphrj

3,508 posts

190 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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tankplanker said:
f they wanted a bigger majority to decide such a decision then it should have been spelt out before the referendum, they don't get to change the rules afterwards just because they don't like the result.
I don't think Cameron would have got the Referendum Act through Parliament if anything other than simple majority had been on offer as his own backbenchers would have voted it down. Then he would have almost certainly been replaced as Party Leader and PM*.




  • I only recently discovered the process for the Tory party to replace their Leader. 50 MPs need to write to the Chief Whip. As soon as he has 50 letters of no confidence (or 50 signatures on one letter) it automatically triggered a leadership election in which the current leader was not allowed to participate. I assume this was brought in sometime after 1997 as it wasn't the case when Major faced a leadership election.


MrBarry123

6,025 posts

120 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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I read this and initially thought it was a bit silly however after having thought about it, it's not such a silly suggestion.

It'd be a political master stroke if true.

Monkeylegend

26,227 posts

230 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Farage has already backtracked on NHS investment.

amgmcqueen

3,343 posts

149 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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As a leaver, if Boris managed to get the reforms that CMD failed to, I could see myself voting to remain in the EU.

As others have said, Cameron should have set the winning post at a 60% majority imo. The result was virtually 50/50.

rscott

14,691 posts

190 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Puggit said:
rscott said:
Serious question - what concessions would you like to see the EU offer?
It's a very valid question, and actually not one I was ready to answer.

Your ideas are certainly in the right direction, but will they appeal to the mass of Labour voters who swung this?
A good question. i guess that would depend on what the alternative is. If a compromise promised more control over immigration, that could appeal to a large number of those who voted leave. If opinion polls are to be believed (who knows any more!) then it was a major influence for a lot of leave voters.

Mr_B

10,480 posts

242 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Monkeylegend said:
Farage has already backtracked on NHS investment.
Link ?

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Puggit said:
Digga said:
it of a moot point if some of the other EU nations get their referenda, but also, what the data does not show is the percentages of each age bracket that actually voted.
Because it's unknown. The age data is from limited exit polls
I realise (and lots of people lie about their age hehe ) but I stil think this relevant. Also, a point raised by a colleague this morning who commented on how 'gutted' her daughter was with the result because, she thinks, of the opinions drummed into her by teachers. I do think a lot of youngsters go through education and take a while to understand how the real world works. The world is chock full of Tories who used to be socialists at college.

Monkeylegend

26,227 posts

230 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Mr_B said:
Monkeylegend said:
Farage has already backtracked on NHS investment.
Link ?
Can't do links, I am a remain luddite, but on the BBC webpage there is a short video of him being interviewed on ITV this morning looking distinctly shifty.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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kiethton said:
Digga said:
DMN said:
DMN said:
Seems some brexiters are having second thoughts now the damage has been done (video near the top):

https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts
Another regretfull brexiter:
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/man-who-voted-for-le...
What a spacker.

Anyway, the uncertainty, that's a done deal, you can't wind the clock back on that one. Classic case of buyers remorse; plenty here on PH know about that through the car trade. hehe
But buyers remorse at the expense of the young :/

If we remain, as the young get older they will get buyers remorse. As those who voted in 1975 did.

rscott

14,691 posts

190 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Monkeylegend said:
Mr_B said:
Monkeylegend said:
Farage has already backtracked on NHS investment.
Link ?
Can't do links, I am a remain luddite, but on the BBC webpage there is a short video of him being interviewed on ITV this morning looking distinctly shifty.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/leave-campaigners-suggest-pledges-may-not-upheld/

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Monkeylegend said:
Farage has already backtracked on NHS investment.
We were not electing him. And I'd rather we didn't spend the entirety of our EU contributions on the NHS.

MrBarry123

6,025 posts

120 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Esseesse said:
If we remain, as the young get older they will get buyers remorse. As those who voted in 1975 did.
Not if an appropriate negotiation can be agreed.

rscott

14,691 posts

190 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Esseesse said:
Monkeylegend said:
Farage has already backtracked on NHS investment.
We were not electing him. And I'd rather we didn't spend the entirety of our EU contributions on the NHS.
Agreed. However the official leave campaign said we would on more than one occasion.




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