Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
Discussion
beanoir said:
I'm not so sure, normally I'd be right with you on that, but it's only 51.9% of the electorate and I suspect there is a further fair percentage of those that voted Leave who, in the cold light of day are wondering if that was such a great idea. So if those not quite sure, added to the 48.1% who voted Remain provide a majority, were to be presented with a well negotiated deal that had been negotiated with the EU by a man with the power vested in him to invoke Article 50 in his back pocket, I can start to see how it might be work.
If they wanted a bigger majority to decide such a decision then it should have been spelt out before the referendum, they don't get to change the rules afterwards just because they don't like the result. I can't see us coming back from the referendum as the EU leadership are publicly stating no further negotiations and that they want to speed up the Brexit process. The EU can't afford to back down now as every Country will just repeat the process.
Cameron refusing to deal with the process and taking his sweet time leaving to allow for a favoured replacement to get some distance from the Remain fiasco isn't going to cut it.
Puggit said:
No we haven't.
CMD has declined to trigger the process. Parliament has no appetite to act. We have 3 months at least of wrangling.
I don't think the EU gives a toss if we have or haven't filled in the right form yet - the electorate pulled the plug.CMD has declined to trigger the process. Parliament has no appetite to act. We have 3 months at least of wrangling.
The wrangling is going to be rather one sided, we've got our cards face up on the table and limited time.
The EU finance minister said this morning 'The city of London has handed in it's passport to Europe, and cities are queueing now to replace it.'
tankplanker said:
f they wanted a bigger majority to decide such a decision then it should have been spelt out before the referendum, they don't get to change the rules afterwards just because they don't like the result.
I don't think Cameron would have got the Referendum Act through Parliament if anything other than simple majority had been on offer as his own backbenchers would have voted it down. Then he would have almost certainly been replaced as Party Leader and PM*.- I only recently discovered the process for the Tory party to replace their Leader. 50 MPs need to write to the Chief Whip. As soon as he has 50 letters of no confidence (or 50 signatures on one letter) it automatically triggered a leadership election in which the current leader was not allowed to participate. I assume this was brought in sometime after 1997 as it wasn't the case when Major faced a leadership election.
Puggit said:
rscott said:
Serious question - what concessions would you like to see the EU offer?
It's a very valid question, and actually not one I was ready to answer. Your ideas are certainly in the right direction, but will they appeal to the mass of Labour voters who swung this?
Puggit said:
Digga said:
it of a moot point if some of the other EU nations get their referenda, but also, what the data does not show is the percentages of each age bracket that actually voted.
Because it's unknown. The age data is from limited exit pollskiethton said:
Digga said:
DMN said:
DMN said:
Seems some brexiters are having second thoughts now the damage has been done (video near the top):
https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts
Another regretfull brexiter:https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/man-who-voted-for-le...
Anyway, the uncertainty, that's a done deal, you can't wind the clock back on that one. Classic case of buyers remorse; plenty here on PH know about that through the car trade.
Monkeylegend said:
Mr_B said:
Monkeylegend said:
Farage has already backtracked on NHS investment.
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