Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

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4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

131 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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Smollet said:
Everyone is talking about a snap election but aren't we into fixed term parliaments now with only a vote of no confidence can change that. I can't see the Tories implementing that tbh.
There are two ways

parliament.uk said:
However, there are two provisions that trigger an election other than at five year intervals:

a motion of no confidence is passed in Her Majesty's Government by a simple majority and 14 days elapses without the House passing a confidence motion in any new Government formed
a motion for a general election is agreed by two thirds of the total number of seats in the Commons including vacant seats (currently 434 out of 650)
http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/

paulrockliffe

15,639 posts

226 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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Graemsay said:
The Leavers are banging on about winning the referendum, but are missing one important point of democracy: Compromise.

The result wasn't conclusive, and if the UK left the EU tomorrow, nearly half the population would be angry, and it will lead to problems down the road. The calls for referenda for independence in Scotland and reunification of Ireland are symptoms of this.

The next Prime Minister is going to have to figure out a deal that will keep both a decent proportion of voters on both sides of the debate reasonably happy, and be palatable to the rest of Europe. That is going to be a nightmare.

As for Remain supporters being undemocratic in seeking a re-run, some Leave supporters were proposing holding a second referendum in a few years if they lost.
Given how hard it is for any referendum to overcome the status quo, the result was sufficiently 'conclusive'. The next Prime Minister just needs to make sure we are out of the EU. Everything after that can be visited and revisited at any time at the ballot box. That was the whole point.

Blue62

8,746 posts

151 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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Mothersruin said:
So what percentage do you think is right for it to magically become fair (I fking hate that word, fair....)?

Also, I can categorically tell you now that had it been the other way around, there would have been zero compromise.

Do you not think it on form for those wishing to stay in an undemocratic organisation wish to ignore the democratic process in their own country?
I agree with your point, but if the signs are right and Boris and his pals have no plan post exit, then what would you recommend? There is a mountain of stuff to do if we are to invoke A50, all under the cloud of a likely economic recession, who would take that job on?

Ask yourself, why did Dave renege on his promise to invoke A50 immediately? Why have Boris and Gove been so quiet since Friday? Where is the evidence of any plan?

I think there is a distinct possibility of the Article not being invoked, sure it would create turmoil, but from my seat we've got plenty of that right now, another spoonful will make no difference.


AJS-

15,366 posts

235 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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Graemsay said:
The Leavers are banging on about winning the referendum, but are missing one important point of democracy: Compromise.

The result wasn't conclusive, and if the UK left the EU tomorrow, nearly half the population would be angry, and it will lead to problems down the road. The calls for referenda for independence in Scotland and reunification of Ireland are symptoms of this.

The next Prime Minister is going to have to figure out a deal that will keep both a decent proportion of voters on both sides of the debate reasonably happy, and be palatable to the rest of Europe. That is going to be a nightmare.

As for Remain supporters being undemocratic in seeking a re-run, some Leave supporters were proposing holding a second referendum in a few years if they lost.
I think you are still underestimating what has happened here.

In a time of relative stability and prosperity people have rejected the comfortable status quo. Against yhe government, against the main parties, against the experts. By a margin of over a million people, or 4% of those who voted people have taken a chance on something better.

More anecdotally very few people throughout this campaign really spoken of their love for the European Union as it currently is. 16 million people have voted not to rock the boat, with a small proportion genuinely either sentimental about the post war settlement or genuinely committed to political union in Europe.

The next PM will have to figure out that compromise, but no part of it now represents a significant body of public opinion who are committed to political and economic union on the model currently on offer from Brussels.


Smokehead

7,703 posts

227 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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Time to buy shares in woolly socks.

Balmoral

40,660 posts

247 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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I don't think 52/48 is much of a mandate, whichever way around it went, but 60/40 certainly is, and that's the way the vote went in England and Wales. I can understand the remainers in Scotland and NI feeling miffed and crying foul, but not the remainers in England and Wales, it was a proper win for leave, love it or loathe it. Ultimately though it was a UK referendum and not one referenda for each individual country or region within the UK.

Starfighter

4,908 posts

177 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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Don't worry about leaving the EU, Nicola will use here veto...!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headline...


markcoznottz

7,155 posts

223 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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So, nothing changes, Blair interviewed by Andrew Neil this morning, made very little reference to immigration, despite being asked a few times. No surprise there. The BBC seems more interested in the labour side show, it's not important! Ditto nonsense about Cameron resigning, the voting public really really do not care, but the political class love talking about themselves. Pair of goons on Andrew Neil's show this morning, googled them, one a PPE drone, the other descended from a baronet, oh great, there's a good cross section of society, both public school educated naturally. All these column inches still don't address the issues though, the people in Sunderland who voted out will still be there when the dust settles, the political establishment STILL don't get it, you cannot run a country smoothly without the consent of a cross section of society, you reap what you sow.

thinkofaname

280 posts

132 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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Balmoral said:
I don't think 52/48 is much of a mandate, whichever way around it went, but 60/40 certainly is, and that's the way the vote went in England and Wales.
I make it about 53/47 in England and Wales combined?

Balmoral

40,660 posts

247 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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I was looking at the colours on the map and the regional breakdown in The Times, but yes, I think you're right.

gnc

441 posts

114 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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dodgy dave is waiting for some mystical solution to deliver him from evil.

Blue62

8,746 posts

151 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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Gove and Boris are got into bed with UKIP but are miles apart on a number of the key issues leavers voted for, so how on earth will Leavers feel if we end up following the Norwegian model, which seems the most likely compromise if A50 is invoked?.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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People keep saying you have to follow a model - we don't.

We are a strong unique country and can negotiate whatever we want.

tarnished

13,601 posts

95 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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Even if we did go down that route, I'd be content. Parties would be free to suggest future alternatives and we could vote accordingly, democratically.

All I want is Article 50 to be triggered. Everything else will work out from there.

Smollet

10,465 posts

189 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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Starfighter said:
Don't worry about leaving the EU, Nicola will use here veto...!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headline...
That'll be fun especially if we tell her she can't use the £ if the next referendum on Scottish independence goes her way.

fizz47

2,663 posts

209 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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markcoznottz said:
So, nothing changes, Blair interviewed by Andrew Neil this morning, made very little reference to immigration, despite being asked a few times. No surprise there. The BBC seems more interested in the labour side show, it's not important! Ditto nonsense about Cameron resigning, the voting public really really do not care, but the political class love talking about themselves. Pair of goons on Andrew Neil's show this morning, googled them, one a PPE drone, the other descended from a baronet, oh great, there's a good cross section of society, both public school educated naturally. All these column inches still don't address the issues though, the people in Sunderland who voted out will still be there when the dust settles, the political establishment STILL don't get it, you cannot run a country smoothly without the consent of a cross section of society, you reap what you sow.
So true... I wish the parties would just stfu and get on with the cards we have been dealt with. All this in-fighting is bad for the UK and people ..the media especially the BBC need to stop pedling so much negativity.


PositronicRay

26,957 posts

182 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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How about this.
New PM
GE called
The whole thing is fought on Leave/Remain, UKIP v ROW.

Nigel would win some seats, but not enough to form a majority.

loafer123

15,404 posts

214 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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PositronicRay said:
How about this.
New PM
GE called
The whole thing is fought on Leave/Remain, UKIP v ROW.

Nigel would win some seats, but not enough to form a majority.
Or how about our recently elected representatives get on and do what we recently told them to do?

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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Mr GrimNasty said:
People keep saying you have to follow a model - we don't.

We are a strong unique country and can negotiate whatever we want.
Indeed we can. Negotiating what we need might be trickier.

PositronicRay

26,957 posts

182 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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loafer123 said:
PositronicRay said:
How about this.
New PM
GE called
The whole thing is fought on Leave/Remain, UKIP v ROW.

Nigel would win some seats, but not enough to form a majority.
Or how about our recently elected representatives get on and do what we recently told them to do?
Which recently elected representatives are those?

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