Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

[sidicks]

///ajd said:

Which bit don't you get?

I find this cognitive failure quite remarkable.

Can we give it a rest now? You've got a 911. Well done.

[Jockman]

ClaphamGT3 said:

Jockman said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

Not quite sure how any of this answers the exam question of whether or not May's (or any other's) Govt will ever trigger Article 50....

She will. But only when we are ready. Whenever that is.

I don't think that anyone - including her - knows that. Like Cameron, she is a pragmatist politician. She isn't driven by any ideological outlook and, as such, will call it based on the quality of the deal on the table. If she thinks she has a good deal to leave, then she'll invoke article 50; if she thinks she's got a good deal to stay that won't lose the Tory's the next election, she'll confirm we're staying.

As yet, I doubt she knows which way it's going to go

I hear you loud and clear. I believe however that she is committed to calling it then we negotiate what we can. Lo and behold a GE shows up and resets the reset button.

My only concern is what shape the EU will be in then. There are a lot of insular points being made without due attention being paid to the macro environment ....

[PRTVR]

jjlynn27 said:

PRTVR said:

But we are still dependent on the financial sector for a large part of our income , yes manufacturing still takes place but how you structure your economy is important, let's take a simple thing like a ferry boat, a few years ago a new one was reqired, we are unable to build one now,ended up being built in Germany using German steel, maintaining German jobs, how many products do you say we are not going to do that somebody else can do it,
I noticed a line of British army trucks going down the A1, all MAN trucks, what if Germany decided that it disagreed with some conflict we end up in, with Germany refusing then to supply truck or parts, not a good position to be in,
we appear to have given up on making things that other EU countries have not,this leaves us dependent on the financial services and an unbalanced economy.

Are you actually serious with this, or trolling?

Its not difficult, are we dependent on the financial sector for a large part of our income? Is this a good thing or would it be better to have a more balanced economy?

[sidicks]

PRTVR said:

Its not difficult, are we dependent on the financial sector for a large part of our income? Is this a good thing or would it be better to have a more balanced economy?

What other things do we have a comparative advantage in?

[ClaphamGT3]

Jockman said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

Jockman said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

Not quite sure how any of this answers the exam question of whether or not May's (or any other's) Govt will ever trigger Article 50....

She will. But only when we are ready. Whenever that is.

I don't think that anyone - including her - knows that. Like Cameron, she is a pragmatist politician. She isn't driven by any ideological outlook and, as such, will call it based on the quality of the deal on the table. If she thinks she has a good deal to leave, then she'll invoke article 50; if she thinks she's got a good deal to stay that won't lose the Tory's the next election, she'll confirm we're staying.

As yet, I doubt she knows which way it's going to go

I hear you loud and clear. I believe however that she is committed to calling it then we negotiate what we can. Lo and behold a GE shows up and resets the reset button.

My only concern is what shape the EU will be in then. There are a lot of insular points being made without due attention being paid to the macro environment ....

I think we're in violent agreement. I am not sure what legal advice she's getting on how reversible an article 50 notification is. I don't think anyone really knows as, even the original Lisbon treaty team never really expected it to be invoked. Legal opinion on this will, I suspect, play a part in how bullish she is.

[jjlynn27]

PRTVR said:

Its not difficult, are we dependent on the financial sector for a large part of our income? Is this a good thing or would it be better to have a more balanced economy?

I really don't know how to say this differently. We seem to be very good at finance. We seem to be pretty st at making steel. Reasons are irrelevant. We are very good at technology, marketing, some manufacturing. You do what you are good at. You buy what you are crap at (simplified, I told you to look up comparative advantage, light reading and you'll understand).

[Jockman]

ClaphamGT3 said:

Jockman said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

Jockman said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

Not quite sure how any of this answers the exam question of whether or not May's (or any other's) Govt will ever trigger Article 50....

She will. But only when we are ready. Whenever that is.

I don't think that anyone - including her - knows that. Like Cameron, she is a pragmatist politician. She isn't driven by any ideological outlook and, as such, will call it based on the quality of the deal on the table. If she thinks she has a good deal to leave, then she'll invoke article 50; if she thinks she's got a good deal to stay that won't lose the Tory's the next election, she'll confirm we're staying.

As yet, I doubt she knows which way it's going to go

I hear you loud and clear. I believe however that she is committed to calling it then we negotiate what we can. Lo and behold a GE shows up and resets the reset button.

My only concern is what shape the EU will be in then. There are a lot of insular points being made without due attention being paid to the macro environment ....

I think we're in violent agreement. I am not sure what legal advice she's getting on how reversible an article 50 notification is. I don't think anyone really knows as, even the original Lisbon treaty team never really expected it to be invoked. Legal opinion on this will, I suspect, play a part in how bullish she is.

Lol. Art 50 is very reversible. I'm relatively confident of that. Let's wait and see what we get.

[hidetheelephants]

jjlynn27 said:

Fastdruid said:

The point with the steel industry isn't so much about about throwing good money after bad it's that the EU (specifically the energy policies) makes production of steel (and aluminium and other energy intensive manufacturing) massively more expensive than it should be, hence uncompetitive and so loses money, especially when combined with a strong pound. Now I'm not sure that we could totally compete with say China even with "normal" energy costs but at least we'd have a fighting chance!

Just seen this. 2 things.

Energy cost has been done to oblivion on another thread, in short; energy prices for extra large users (steel industry) are higher in Germany than UK. UK was one of the countries very much supporting green taxes.
UKGideon was pushing for lowering taxes on China's steel.

EFA

[ClaphamGT3]

Jockman said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

Jockman said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

Jockman said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

Not quite sure how any of this answers the exam question of whether or not May's (or any other's) Govt will ever trigger Article 50....

She will. But only when we are ready. Whenever that is.

I don't think that anyone - including her - knows that. Like Cameron, she is a pragmatist politician. She isn't driven by any ideological outlook and, as such, will call it based on the quality of the deal on the table. If she thinks she has a good deal to leave, then she'll invoke article 50; if she thinks she's got a good deal to stay that won't lose the Tory's the next election, she'll confirm we're staying.

As yet, I doubt she knows which way it's going to go

I hear you loud and clear. I believe however that she is committed to calling it then we negotiate what we can. Lo and behold a GE shows up and resets the reset button.

My only concern is what shape the EU will be in then. There are a lot of insular points being made without due attention being paid to the macro environment ....

I think we're in violent agreement. I am not sure what legal advice she's getting on how reversible an article 50 notification is. I don't think anyone really knows as, even the original Lisbon treaty team never really expected it to be invoked. Legal opinion on this will, I suspect, play a part in how bullish she is.

Lol. Art 50 is very reversible. I'm relatively confident of that. Let's wait and see what we get.

I think you're right in that, in the real world, waiting and seeing is all we can do

[///ajd]

Stickyfinger said:

The guys is full of st and a troll.....

image was NOT there 20 mins ago

You implied I was lying, which was an unprovoked and pretty st thing to do in the first place.

You decided to bring it up out of the blue to try and belittle and discredit me.

I proved I was not lying.

If you are any kind of decent sort you'd admit you got it wrong and even apologise.

[///ajd]

ClaphamGT3 said:

Jockman said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

Jockman said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

Not quite sure how any of this answers the exam question of whether or not May's (or any other's) Govt will ever trigger Article 50....

She will. But only when we are ready. Whenever that is.

I don't think that anyone - including her - knows that. Like Cameron, she is a pragmatist politician. She isn't driven by any ideological outlook and, as such, will call it based on the quality of the deal on the table. If she thinks she has a good deal to leave, then she'll invoke article 50; if she thinks she's got a good deal to stay that won't lose the Tory's the next election, she'll confirm we're staying.

As yet, I doubt she knows which way it's going to go

I hear you loud and clear. I believe however that she is committed to calling it then we negotiate what we can. Lo and behold a GE shows up and resets the reset button.

My only concern is what shape the EU will be in then. There are a lot of insular points being made without due attention being paid to the macro environment ....

I think we're in violent agreement. I am not sure what legal advice she's getting on how reversible an article 50 notification is. I don't think anyone really knows as, even the original Lisbon treaty team never really expected it to be invoked. Legal opinion on this will, I suspect, play a part in how bullish she is.

i think you are right to say May has an open mind. To be fair it is unknown how far the EU might bend on immigration when it comes down to it. The trouble for DD is the EU might see an opportunity to reverse brexit by holding absolutely rock solid on FOM in order to force the SM issue and put us where Norway is. That seems to be the swiss dilemma now - they see any chance of the EU helping them on immigration as dead as they will play super hardball with the UK on FOM.

What have the EU got to lose? They know we need SM and passporting, we just can't afford to lose it. I suspect it will be the red line that hollande is painting.

Edited by ///ajd on Saturday 23 July 00:16

[anonymous-user]

jjlynn27 said:

I really don't know how to say this differently. We seem to be very good at finance. We seem to be pretty st at making steel. Reasons are irrelevant. We are very good at technology, marketing, some manufacturing. You do what you are good at. You buy what you are crap at (simplified, I told you to look up comparative advantage, light reading and you'll understand).

We are exceptionally good at making speciality engineering steel. What we are no longer competitive in, is mass produced low end steel because our energy policy has killed the sector, you then have the dumping of steel on the market by the Chinese which further erodes UK steel competitiveness.

The Steel industry is one area of national importance that does require support with an energy and tax policy that will ensure we don't lose all capacity.

It is becoming increasingly difficult to source the speciality steels my industry uses because of the effect on this sector from our current energy policies and inability to support the industry. The signs are there that May understands this and will do something to help longer term. This is one area of benefit having control over our ability to support industry sectors that require it brings and why it is useful to be able to tailor policies specifically for UK industry.

This kind of support is not of the ilk of the 70's, where we saw money wasted on inefficient companies such as BL, but its a vital ability for UK PLC to set policies tailored to advancing our economy and manufacturing base.

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

bmw535i said:

Which bit don't you get?

I find this cognitive failure quite remarkable.

I get it. I get a desperately sad individual feeling it necessary to try and provide evidence that you own a car by taking pictures and posting them to total strangers.

It's awfully weird you know. Seriously, get a life mate

[Elysium]

bmw535i said:

I get it. I get a desperately sad individual feeling it necessary to try and provide evidence that you own a car by taking pictures and posting them to total strangers.

It's awfully weird you know. Seriously, get a life mate

Every single post from you is like this. You never comment on issues, you just make negative personal comments.

[anonymous-user]

Elysium said:

Every single post from you is like this. You never comment on issues, you just make negative personal comments.

Every single post from you is the same......

If the cap fits

[Stickyfinger]

///ajd said:

You implied I was lying, which was an unprovoked and pretty st thing to do in the first place.

You decided to bring it up out of the blue to try and belittle and discredit me.

I proved I was not lying.

If you are any kind of decent sort you'd admit you got it wrong and even apologise.

it stopped you bking on about the same old crap and repeating yourself ad nauseum .....which was a relief to us all

I regard it as a good job done:

[///ajd]

bmw535i said:

I get it. I get a desperately sad individual feeling it necessary to try and provide evidence that you own a car by taking pictures and posting them to total strangers.

It's awfully weird you know. Seriously, get a life mate

It took me just 2 minutes to prove a brexiter (and his sheep) was wrong. Again. Unprovoked too - he just rocked up and said "hey I want to imply you're a fraud with no justification whatsoever, please prove to everyone I'm a muppet who jumps to ill advised conclusions". I shouldn't have bothered, but hey he did rather ask for it. I tried to keep it polite, but oh no he had to say I was full of st. More fool him.

Repeatedly proving a sizable proportion of brexiters are mistaken and prone to ill-judgement on rather basic facts will be key to reversing the referendum result.

Baaa!

[don'tbesilly]

///ajd said:

bmw535i said:

I get it. I get a desperately sad individual feeling it necessary to try and provide evidence that you own a car by taking pictures and posting them to total strangers.

It's awfully weird you know. Seriously, get a life mate

It took me just 2 minutes to prove a brexiter (and his sheep) was wrong. Again. Unprovoked too - he just rocked up and said "hey I want to imply you're a fraud with no justification whatsoever, please prove to everyone I'm a muppet who jumps to ill advised conclusions". I shouldn't have bothered, but hey he did rather ask for it. I tried to keep it polite, but oh no he had to say I was full of st. More fool him.

Repeatedly proving a sizable proportion of brexiters are mistaken and prone to ill-judgement on rather basic facts will be key to reversing the referendum result.

Baaa!

You might want to reflect on this post, it really is rather pathetic and sad.

A minor spat over ownership of a Porsche results in what you've written above,I did credit you with some intelligence, but you sound like a 9 year old schoolchild.

[///ajd]

don'tbesilly said:

///ajd said:

bmw535i said:

I get it. I get a desperately sad individual feeling it necessary to try and provide evidence that you own a car by taking pictures and posting them to total strangers.

It's awfully weird you know. Seriously, get a life mate

It took me just 2 minutes to prove a brexiter (and his sheep) was wrong. Again. Unprovoked too - he just rocked up and said "hey I want to imply you're a fraud with no justification whatsoever, please prove to everyone I'm a muppet who jumps to ill advised conclusions". I shouldn't have bothered, but hey he did rather ask for it. I tried to keep it polite, but oh no he had to say I was full of st. More fool him.

Repeatedly proving a sizable proportion of brexiters are mistaken and prone to ill-judgement on rather basic facts will be key to reversing the referendum result.

Baaa!

You might want to reflect on this post, it really is rather pathetic and sad.

A minor spat over ownership of a Porsche results in what you've written above,I did credit you with some intelligence, but you sound like a 9 year old schoolchild.

More insults.

[PurpleMoonlight]

Jockman said:

Lol. Art 50 is very reversible. I'm relatively confident of that. Let's wait and see what we get.

What makes you think that, any links please?