Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
Discussion
Hugo a Gogo said:
Candellara said:
The fact is.....we live in a democracy and there was a majority vote for Leave. End of
Should we not proceed and invoke Article 50 - there'd be riots on the streets which would make the poll tax riots look like a childs tea party
Elective democracy. We vote for representatives to decide stuff like this. This referendum has no legal standing to force it through. Should we not proceed and invoke Article 50 - there'd be riots on the streets which would make the poll tax riots look like a childs tea party
PositronicRay said:
loafer123 said:
PositronicRay said:
loafer123 said:
PositronicRay said:
How about this.
New PM
GE called
The whole thing is fought on Leave/Remain, UKIP v ROW.
Nigel would win some seats, but not enough to form a majority.
Or how about our recently elected representatives get on and do what we recently told them to do?New PM
GE called
The whole thing is fought on Leave/Remain, UKIP v ROW.
Nigel would win some seats, but not enough to form a majority.
Perhaps you are confusing the UK and USA?
Candellara said:
Should we not proceed and invoke Article 50 - there'd be riots on the streets which would make the poll tax riots look like a childs tea party
Really? As, I've said before, Crumblies Don't Riot.Nor, in fact, does anyone else with a job, kids & a mortgage who is vaguely in their right mind - because you stand to lose the lot.
loafer123 said:
PositronicRay said:
loafer123 said:
PositronicRay said:
loafer123 said:
PositronicRay said:
How about this.
New PM
GE called
The whole thing is fought on Leave/Remain, UKIP v ROW.
Nigel would win some seats, but not enough to form a majority.
Or how about our recently elected representatives get on and do what we recently told them to do?New PM
GE called
The whole thing is fought on Leave/Remain, UKIP v ROW.
Nigel would win some seats, but not enough to form a majority.
Perhaps you are confusing the UK and USA?
ETA I voted for Jeremy Wright, he can't do it either
loafer123 said:
PositronicRay said:
loafer123 said:
PositronicRay said:
loafer123 said:
PositronicRay said:
How about this.
New PM
GE called
The whole thing is fought on Leave/Remain, UKIP v ROW.
Nigel would win some seats, but not enough to form a majority.
Or how about our recently elected representatives get on and do what we recently told them to do?New PM
GE called
The whole thing is fought on Leave/Remain, UKIP v ROW.
Nigel would win some seats, but not enough to form a majority.
Perhaps you are confusing the UK and USA?
Its no different to when GB took over from TB.
98elise said:
loafer123 said:
PositronicRay said:
loafer123 said:
PositronicRay said:
loafer123 said:
PositronicRay said:
How about this.
New PM
GE called
The whole thing is fought on Leave/Remain, UKIP v ROW.
Nigel would win some seats, but not enough to form a majority.
Or how about our recently elected representatives get on and do what we recently told them to do?New PM
GE called
The whole thing is fought on Leave/Remain, UKIP v ROW.
Nigel would win some seats, but not enough to form a majority.
Perhaps you are confusing the UK and USA?
Its no different to when GB took over from TB.
I don't have much to add - I'd just like to say that despite voting 'Remain' (because I was unconvinced that Leave had a clue what would happen/why we should do it) I absolutely do not want any more referendums or elections or any of that nonsense.
The UK voted to 'leave the EU' - I'd like someone to honour that. It will be historic - never has a Govt actually done what 52% of voters asked, ever!?
No watered-down compromises or dancing-around-the-buffet - no 'third class citizen' EEA deals - we leave, that means we leave. We become an independent country who does it's own deals with everyone (almost infeasible but that's what people suggested would happen!!)
p.s. I don't believe anyone has the stones to do this, of course - I suspect it's impossible and might even ruin the country but f
k it, people ask, people get...
The UK voted to 'leave the EU' - I'd like someone to honour that. It will be historic - never has a Govt actually done what 52% of voters asked, ever!?
No watered-down compromises or dancing-around-the-buffet - no 'third class citizen' EEA deals - we leave, that means we leave. We become an independent country who does it's own deals with everyone (almost infeasible but that's what people suggested would happen!!)
p.s. I don't believe anyone has the stones to do this, of course - I suspect it's impossible and might even ruin the country but f
k it, people ask, people get...405dogvan said:
The UK voted to 'leave the EU' - I'd like someone to honour that. It will be historic - never has a Govt actually done what 52% of voters asked, ever!?
Well 55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK and guess what, they got to stay in the UK. And about 65% of people voted to stay in the Common Market in the 70s and we stayed.So I'm not sure what you are referring to.
Dont you think all these unknowns should have been sorted out BEFORE we had a referendum. So people actually had an idea what they were voting for? what a clusterfck
DC should have gone to brux with the referendum results already in his pocket. Then he could have negotiated from a position of strength. Could have said "If you cant do "this" then we will leave", no ambiguity. EU would then have to make thier decision, reform or we go.
The whole thing has been done Arse backwards.
DC should have gone to brux with the referendum results already in his pocket. Then he could have negotiated from a position of strength. Could have said "If you cant do "this" then we will leave", no ambiguity. EU would then have to make thier decision, reform or we go.
The whole thing has been done Arse backwards.
ttdan said:
Dont you think all these unknowns should have been sorted out BEFORE we had a referendum. So people actually had an idea what they were voting for? what a clusterfck
DC should have gone to brux with the referendum results already in his pocket. Then he could have negotiated from a position of strength. Could have said "If you cant do "this" then we will leave", no ambiguity. EU would then have to make thier decision, reform or we go.
The whole thing has been done Arse backwards.
Throughout the process the EU has been adamant that there would be no compromise, no further negotiation.DC should have gone to brux with the referendum results already in his pocket. Then he could have negotiated from a position of strength. Could have said "If you cant do "this" then we will leave", no ambiguity. EU would then have to make thier decision, reform or we go.
The whole thing has been done Arse backwards.
sidicks said:
Throughout the process the EU has been adamant that there would be no compromise, no further negotiation.
Yes. But i am referring to the original negotiation. That was done based on the position that the UK might leave, it could have been done from the position that the UK will leave.ttdan said:
sidicks said:
Throughout the process the EU has been adamant that there would be no compromise, no further negotiation.
Yes. But i am referring to the original negotiation. That was done based on the position that the UK might leave, it could have been done from the position that the UK will leave.ttdan said:
Dont you think all these unknowns should have been sorted out BEFORE we had a referendum. So people actually had an idea what they were voting for? what a clusterfck
DC should have gone to brux with the referendum results already in his pocket. Then he could have negotiated from a position of strength. Could have said "If you cant do "this" then we will leave", no ambiguity. EU would then have to make thier decision, reform or we go.
The whole thing has been done Arse backwards.
Totally agree.DC should have gone to brux with the referendum results already in his pocket. Then he could have negotiated from a position of strength. Could have said "If you cant do "this" then we will leave", no ambiguity. EU would then have to make thier decision, reform or we go.
The whole thing has been done Arse backwards.
It now appears I (and many others) made my decision based on absolute lies and lack of real information from both sides, ultimately voting with more than a gut feeling.
We shouldn't change the result, the votes have been cast I'm happy that democracy has shown we should leave (don't read that as I'm happy!) however we now have the following:
CMD that's decided f
k that and the Conservatives in turmoilLabour in turmoil (worse than the conservatives, they are in total self-destruct it would appear)
Backtracking from the Brexit brigade (£340,000,000 ring a bell?)
The chancellor has disappeared and he's quite important and needs to be seen
That fish woman in Scotland is living in a parallel universe and thinks she can scupper the result by declaring Scotland is not included in the result.
She also thinks she's got Scotland behind her, they can be a member of the EU in their own right, is trying to start negotiations and I really don't think she has, the EU will stick two fingers up at Scotland. However let them get on with it if they think they can)l IMO and see how they get on without the support of the UK
The Germans are getting upset and throwing their toys out of the pram demanding we move at their pace....sorry, we'll call the shots now
We have no actual timetable for leaving the EU
We have no actual idea where negotiations will lead us or how it will affect everyday lives of the 65 million people on this island. Perhaps in order to make an informed decision this should have been addressed prior to the referendum?
And in fact, will we actually leave the EU?
A vote asking for a second referendum signed by over 3,000,000 people was actually started by a leave voter who thought they would lose (oh the irony...)
However on the plus side at least Sky News are able to change their headlines every 15 minutes rather than regurgitate the same s
t for 72 hours 
HoHoHo said:
The Germans are getting upset and throwing their toys out of the pram demanding we move at their pace....sorry, we'll call the shots now
We have no actual timetable for leaving the EU
Leaving the EU will probably fWe have no actual timetable for leaving the EU
k up the economy, but uncertainty and delay definitely will. We need to trigger article 50 tomorrow and get out as soon as possible. That we we have a remote hope for the future. But every day of delay is another nail in our economic coffin. Just stepping in, but am I wrong in asking this: Are there massive cogs turning behind the scenes to ensure that Brexit doesn't actually happen?
I get the impression that there is work afoot to find some mechanism, to tell us we've just been silly-billy's and don't know what's good for us, so think again and 'they' will sort it out for us...
General election, 're-negotiation' or new referendum, as per the other countries that voted 'wrongly' first time around.
Are we witnessing the death or murder of any semblance of actual democracy?
I get the impression that there is work afoot to find some mechanism, to tell us we've just been silly-billy's and don't know what's good for us, so think again and 'they' will sort it out for us...
General election, 're-negotiation' or new referendum, as per the other countries that voted 'wrongly' first time around.
Are we witnessing the death or murder of any semblance of actual democracy?
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Leaving the EU will probably fk up the economy, but uncertainty and delay definitely will. We need to trigger article 50 tomorrow and get out as soon as possible. That we we have a remote hope for the future. But every day of delay is another nail in our economic coffin.
Rubbish, we need to properly consider the possibilities through negotiation.k up the economy, but uncertainty and delay definitely will. We need to trigger article 50 tomorrow and get out as soon as possible. That we we have a remote hope for the future. But every day of delay is another nail in our economic coffin. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff