Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
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///ajd said:
jsf said:
///ajd said:
jsf said:
is that nervous laughter?too close to the bone?
Why do you think they are all jumping up and down saying press the Art 50 button? They almost can't contain themselves at the thought of all the lovely new GDP.
The only people jumping up and down for us to enact Art50 are the people in your head. Have you not been listening to the likes of Merkel? All Hollande has said is he wishes the uncertainty to come to an end sooner rather than later, which is completely understandable.
The G20 met today in China, their main concern is to promote growth, how will that occur whilst punishing the 5th largest economy amongst its member states? The G20 ministers were all very clear they do not wish for or expect any "punishment"
You live in a very strange mental state at the moment, seek help.
jsf said:
If you truly believe that is how the EU is going to proceed, I suggest you seek some mental health help.
The only people jumping up and down for us to enact Art50 are the people in your head. Have you not been listening to the likes of Merkel? All Hollande has said is he wishes the uncertainty to come to an end sooner rather than later, which is completely understandable.
The G20 met today in China, their main concern is to promote growth, how will that occur whilst punishing the 5th largest economy amongst its member states? The G20 ministers were all very clear they do not wish for or expect any "punishment"
You live in a very strange mental state at the moment, seek help.
After posting that bs about Erasmus and 'cult' you are saying that someone else needs help?The only people jumping up and down for us to enact Art50 are the people in your head. Have you not been listening to the likes of Merkel? All Hollande has said is he wishes the uncertainty to come to an end sooner rather than later, which is completely understandable.
The G20 met today in China, their main concern is to promote growth, how will that occur whilst punishing the 5th largest economy amongst its member states? The G20 ministers were all very clear they do not wish for or expect any "punishment"
You live in a very strange mental state at the moment, seek help.
///ajd said:
jsf said:
///ajd said:
jsf said:
is that nervous laughter?too close to the bone?
Why do you think they are all jumping up and down saying press the Art 50 button? They almost can't contain themselves at the thought of all the lovely new GDP.
turbobloke said:
Dr Jekyll said:
///ajd said:
None of it seems particularly far fetched; its what I'd expect the EU to consider. It makes all the more sense when EU business can soak up the potential UK decline.
Why do you think they are all jumping up and down saying press the Art 50 button? They almost can't contain themselves at the thought of all the lovely new GDP.
Ah yes, the old 'we should stay in the EU because they are vindictive bWhy do you think they are all jumping up and down saying press the Art 50 button? They almost can't contain themselves at the thought of all the lovely new GDP.
ds who hate us' argument.Once out, with lower UK corptax and incentives to businesses not only to remain (in the UK) but to relocate here, we can soak up some EU GDP.
The EU don't want to change FOM and paying for SM access. Why should they if we're leaving?
Keeping EZ passporting was a bit of a favour to a non-EZ country anyway - oh, you're leaving? You won't mind if we tuck that back into EZ only countries again like we originally wanted to.
What's that? You don't want to pay much for SM access? LOL, you'll pay want we reckon, we have a lot to pay for in the EU you know, how can you expect to give you the same access for free whilst germany and france pay more / nearly as much as you? Ain't going to happen sunshine, it would be unfair on millions of EU taxpayers otherwise.
Etc.
If you really think the EU is going to make brexit look attractive to others you must be mad. Hollande would have the FN winning all over the shop if he let a big economy like the UK leave the EU and have control of FOM and free SM access.
jsf said:
jjlynn27 said:
After posting that bs about Erasmus and 'cult' you are saying that someone else needs help?
I said the article read like the writings of a cult, which it did.Its a great programme. Ironically the UK largely started it.
It will be a sad day if it is tossed away in the name of .... whatever benefit brexit gives us. I can't recall any.
Its still hard to believe we are messing about with the prosperity of our largely superb university system.
///ajd said:
jsf said:
jjlynn27 said:
After posting that bs about Erasmus and 'cult' you are saying that someone else needs help?
I said the article read like the writings of a cult, which it did.Its a great programme. Ironically the UK largely started it.
It will be a sad day if it is tossed away in the name of .... whatever benefit brexit gives us. I can't recall any.
Its still hard to believe we are messing about with the prosperity of our largely superb university system.
Why do you think those kind of programmes cant continue post Brexit, even the article we are discussing acknowledged that.
The UK has a long history of student exchange programmes world wide, well before the EU too, as you acknowledge the UK pretty much started the EU system.
You appear incapable of thinking beyond EU systems good, everything else less good. Why is that?
///ajd said:
jsf said:
jjlynn27 said:
After posting that bs about Erasmus and 'cult' you are saying that someone else needs help?
I said the article read like the writings of a cult, which it did.Its a great programme. Ironically the UK largely started it.
It will be a sad day if it is tossed away in the name of .... whatever benefit brexit gives us. I can't recall any.
Its still hard to believe we are messing about with the prosperity of our largely superb university system.
jsf said:
Personally no, family members not this particular programme, but similar program with our American cousins, yes.
Why do you think those kind of programmes cant continue post Brexit, even the article we are discussing acknowledged that.
The UK has a long history of student exchange programmes world wide, well before the EU too, as you acknowledge the UK pretty much started the EU system.
You appear incapable of thinking beyond EU systems good, everything else less good. Why is that?
The EU has invested a LOT of money on PR and subsidising pro-EU organisations and educational institutions. It makes grandiose claims for itself and requires acknowledgment for it's contributions.Why do you think those kind of programmes cant continue post Brexit, even the article we are discussing acknowledged that.
The UK has a long history of student exchange programmes world wide, well before the EU too, as you acknowledge the UK pretty much started the EU system.
You appear incapable of thinking beyond EU systems good, everything else less good. Why is that?
If a national party in government projected itself in the same way it would be deemed propaganda.
It's no wonder then that many, particularly younger, people can't imagine that life can still function outside the "benevolent " organisation that is the EU.
Perhaps that explains the automatic assumption, made by some on these forums, that whatever the subject mentioned, the only possible outcome is doom and failure.
jjlynn27 said:
jsf said:
jjlynn27 said:
After posting that bs about Erasmus and 'cult' you are saying that someone else needs help?
I said the article read like the writings of a cult, which it did.
jsf said:
///ajd said:
jsf said:
jjlynn27 said:
After posting that bs about Erasmus and 'cult' you are saying that someone else needs help?
I said the article read like the writings of a cult, which it did.Its a great programme. Ironically the UK largely started it.
It will be a sad day if it is tossed away in the name of .... whatever benefit brexit gives us. I can't recall any.
Its still hard to believe we are messing about with the prosperity of our largely superb university system.
Why do you think those kind of programmes cant continue post Brexit, even the article we are discussing acknowledged that.
The UK has a long history of student exchange programmes world wide, well before the EU too, as you acknowledge the UK pretty much started the EU system.
You appear incapable of thinking beyond EU systems good, everything else less good. Why is that?
So Hammond states the EU is not in punishment mode.
UK explores multi-billion pound free trade deal with China
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36877573
Out of him and ajd, I think I'm fairly confident in who might be right.
UK explores multi-billion pound free trade deal with China
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36877573
Out of him and ajd, I think I'm fairly confident in who might be right.
hidetheelephants said:
It's hard to believe you're still going on about how terrible not being in the Erasmus programme will be given there are non-EU participants and it's entirely feasible that we will continue to take part. It's also a bit ironic given the UK initially fought against Erasmus as it duplicated the work of already existing exchange programmes the UK was involved in.
I don't get it either, there seems to be an assumption that everything loosely associated with the EU will just automatically be thrown out or participation be denied. Erasmus and research programmes, it's been pointed out before that non EU nations are allowed to participate. Even in EUfunded research there are regulations which state categorically that non EU nations can participate and have equal voting rights. I've participated in such projects alongside others from Japan and Norway, to name but two nations. It's been pointed out but deliberately ignored in order to create disturbance and unrest. Another version of make stuff up so as to knock it down.turbobloke said:
Mrr T said:
Greg66 said:
turbobloke said:
jjlynn27 said:
The author @ theDuran link; Alexander Mercouris
Is that the same Alexander Mercouris that leftie telegraph is trying to smear?
Smearing is just another way of playing the man (or woman) not the ball, so not particularly interesting as smearing adds nothing to the actual topic under debate. However, shooting the messenger is always an easy alternative when there's nothing substantive to say instead.Is that the same Alexander Mercouris that leftie telegraph is trying to smear?
It's plainly a smear, and now a repeated one. For further discussion try jjlynn27: "Is that the same Alexander Mercouris that leftie telegraph is trying to smear?" which is what I replied to.
Those involved clearly disagree with the author, that's about it, since as yet there's been nothing substantive and credible in response to the content of the article, which is in directional agreement with what the Attorney General has to say on the matter.
When there is then we can discuss the topic not the smear. How long it will take is anybody's guess.
The view of the Attorney General has been gaining traction, not surprisingly; a recent Ipsos Mori poll for BBC Newsnight found that only 16% thought Britain would remain an EU member state despite the vote to leave.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 24th July 07:52
tting. Unless of course you truly believe two Justices of the Supreme Court are unwilling to state the truth, being that this nutter didn't forge their signatures because they are genuine. In which case you need serious psychiatric help. Next time, cite the AG first time around if you expect people to take you seriously.
Could be the start of buying us off.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/24/tory-mp...
Tory MPs have reacted with fury after it was reported that EU leaders are considering allowing Britain curbs on freedom of movement whilst retaining access to the single market.
MPs have accused leaders across the continent of "missing the point" and failing to accept the public's decision to sever ties with the 28-member bloc last month.
European diplomats are understood to be looking at granting the "emergency brake" on EU migration for up to seven years.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/24/tory-mp...
Tory MPs have reacted with fury after it was reported that EU leaders are considering allowing Britain curbs on freedom of movement whilst retaining access to the single market.
MPs have accused leaders across the continent of "missing the point" and failing to accept the public's decision to sever ties with the 28-member bloc last month.
European diplomats are understood to be looking at granting the "emergency brake" on EU migration for up to seven years.
tescorank said:
Could be the start of buying us off.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/24/tory-mp...
Tory MPs have reacted with fury after it was reported that EU leaders are considering allowing Britain curbs on freedom of movement whilst retaining access to the single market.
MPs have accused leaders across the continent of "missing the point" and failing to accept the public's decision to sever ties with the 28-member bloc last month.
European diplomats are understood to be looking at granting the "emergency brake" on EU migration for up to seven years.
That article includes a link to John Redwoods blog:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/24/tory-mp...
Tory MPs have reacted with fury after it was reported that EU leaders are considering allowing Britain curbs on freedom of movement whilst retaining access to the single market.
MPs have accused leaders across the continent of "missing the point" and failing to accept the public's decision to sever ties with the 28-member bloc last month.
European diplomats are understood to be looking at granting the "emergency brake" on EU migration for up to seven years.
http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/
He wants no negotiation on taking back control of our laws, money and borders. The hardest of hard Brexits then. I think this and the telegraph article start to show how the simple leave / remain vote now fans out into a myriad of different views of what is acceptable. With people like Redwood arguing that HIS version is the one with the majority mandate.
Expect more of this as we move closer to an acceptable 'compromise' Brexit deal. The biggest risk to leaving is now the hardline leave campaigners. The vast majority of people will be 'middle ground' on the issue. On balance the majority want to leave, but they don't want unnecessary pain.
Oh .. and his entry on recession is just facile. London is still a forest of construction cranes. Does he not understand that developers have entered into binding construction contracts and cannot simply ask the contractor to pack up and go home. Of course the cranes are still there you moron. They have no choice other than to complete the works and try to let the buildings in whatever market they find themselves.
With CMD and GOO abrogating responsibility for planning ahead (contingency planning) based on their arrogant assumption of a Remain win while avoiding FoIA requests that would expose their spin, a multiplicity of views prior to negotiations starting is inevitable. Some views of some individuals are interesting but don't carry any weight at this stage.
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