Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

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Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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FiF said:
Re Spock, aka John Redwood, I reckon most sensible Leavers have regarded him in the same light as Farage for some time, more hindrance than help, my view certainly.
Agreed. I think there was a reason for keeping him on a low profile during the campaign trail.

Timmy40

12,915 posts

197 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Jockman said:
jjlynn27 said:
Jockman said:
Lol.

I have to weigh up 6 days of extra certainty against including Construction figures..... scratchchin

On the bright side, leaving the EU will eradicate 32% EU tariffs on worldwide wine imports biggrin
Is it that much? Jesus. I have to say I was pretty shocked when read 400% tax on import of French cheese to Norway. Seems 'a bit' too much.
Average EU tariff is apparently 3.6%....rising to 10% on cars (as you know) etc.

If the Average is indeed 3.6% there must be many products on less.
Yes, like dumped Chinses steel which they fking well should be sticking a massive great tarriff on but appear to do nothing about.

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

108 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Timmy40 said:
Jockman said:
jjlynn27 said:
Jockman said:
Lol.

I have to weigh up 6 days of extra certainty against including Construction figures..... scratchchin

On the bright side, leaving the EU will eradicate 32% EU tariffs on worldwide wine imports biggrin
Is it that much? Jesus. I have to say I was pretty shocked when read 400% tax on import of French cheese to Norway. Seems 'a bit' too much.
Average EU tariff is apparently 3.6%....rising to 10% on cars (as you know) etc.

If the Average is indeed 3.6% there must be many products on less.
Yes, like dumped Chinses steel which they fking well should be sticking a massive great tarriff on but appear to do nothing about.
On the subject;
guardian said:
The UK blocked tougher EU trade rules to help the steel industry partly because it could have raised the price of shoes for British shoppers, Sajid Javid has said.

The business secretary argued the UK opposed scrapping the so-called lesser duty rule as it would have “cost British shoppers dear”, including an extra £130m a year on the price of footwear – the equivalent of about £4.80 for each household.

A number of EU countries have been trying to get the rule lifted, as it would allow higher tariffs to be imposed on cut-price Chinese steel being dumped on the world market.
Seems that, in this case, EU wanted to do what you want, but UK blocked the measure?


anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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FiF said:
Re Spock, aka John Redwood, I reckon most sensible Leavers have regarded him in the same light as Farage for some time, more hindrance than help, my view certainly.
One would like to think so.

Although I have called him a Vulcan in the past, on reflection he has a great deal less pragmatism than Spock. I suppose Spock was half human though...

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Doesn't Sturgeon sound just like one of the prolific mentalists on here......

Brexit: Sturgeon sets out key Scottish interests that 'must be protected'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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bmw535i said:
Doesn't Sturgeon sound just like one of the prolific mentalists on here......

Brexit: Sturgeon sets out key Scottish interests that 'must be protected'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
The Yes campaign and Brexit were very similar.

Lands of milk and honey, magic money trees and fantasy economics.

Sadly I must confess when they made so much of being a fairer and more egalitarian society - a horrible idea that the societies might be "better" - they proved to be right by 55% to 48%.

Sad day for England to be comprehensively shown up by Scotland.

Elysium

13,755 posts

186 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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jsf said:
Elysium said:
Oh .. and his entry on recession is just facile. London is still a forest of construction cranes. Does he not understand that developers have entered into binding construction contracts and cannot simply ask the contractor to pack up and go home. Of course the cranes are still there you moron. They have no choice other than to complete the works and try to let the buildings in whatever market they find themselves.
You cant have done much travelling in Southern Europe in the last few years then. Spain and Portugal are awash with half finished building projects from 2008. All the machinery is still on site, just abandoned and left to rot.

This isn't in hell holes either, some of the 5 star complexes I stay in (they are as cheap as the local 3 star to get business in) have half the site finished, half just an abandoned building site.
Contractors and developers going bust as result of the financial crisis. It's not that bad here / now.


anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Elysium said:
jsf said:
Elysium said:
Oh .. and his entry on recession is just facile. London is still a forest of construction cranes. Does he not understand that developers have entered into binding construction contracts and cannot simply ask the contractor to pack up and go home. Of course the cranes are still there you moron. They have no choice other than to complete the works and try to let the buildings in whatever market they find themselves.
You cant have done much travelling in Southern Europe in the last few years then. Spain and Portugal are awash with half finished building projects from 2008. All the machinery is still on site, just abandoned and left to rot.

This isn't in hell holes either, some of the 5 star complexes I stay in (they are as cheap as the local 3 star to get business in) have half the site finished, half just an abandoned building site.
Contractors and developers going bust as result of the financial crisis. It's not that bad here / now.
So are you saying that unlike 2008 in southern Europe, the worst that will happen in London, in your opinion because of Brexit, is profits potentially wont be as high as they may have been?

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result?
Well you cant change the marginal result.
But most likely we'll choose to ignore it or negotiate a deal marginally better than Cameron's

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Jimboka said:
Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result?
Well you cant change the marginal result.
But most likely we'll choose to ignore it or negotiate a deal marginally better than Cameron's
Planless liars, apocalypse, Tory leadership election = second referendum, and now we have ignore the referendum. What have you been smoking?

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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///ajd said:
bmw535i said:
Doesn't Sturgeon sound just like one of the prolific mentalists on here......

Brexit: Sturgeon sets out key Scottish interests that 'must be protected'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
The Yes campaign and Brexit were very similar.

Lands of milk and honey, magic money trees and fantasy economics.

Sadly I must confess when they made so much of being a fairer and more egalitarian society - a horrible idea that the societies might be "better" - they proved to be right by 55% to 48%.

Sad day for England to be comprehensively shown up by Scotland.
Yes, I was referring to you

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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bmw535i said:
Doesn't Sturgeon sound just like one of the prolific mentalists on here......

Brexit: Sturgeon sets out key Scottish interests that 'must be protected'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
Called DC reckless for allowing the vote.
Bet she didn't say that when the Scottish independence vote was allowed.

Says that Scottish farmers and universities rely on EU money. She seems to be selling her nation to the E.U. Some independence.

What a charlatan.

FiF

43,960 posts

250 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Much as it pains me to appeal to authority and cite the Royal Sorcery, oops, Royal Society, hehe but the current president has stated that contrary to previous statements from others, he sees no evidence that British researchers have been discriminated against regarding funding since the referendum. His lab has people from all over the world and that's not going to change because of the referendum.

Even in the Society's own study on the impact of EU funding they point out that of papers co-authored with EU scientists, 30% also have co-authored from the USA. That's before considering co-authoring from other nations, eg Japan, Israel etc.

Consider the Horizon2020 funding programme, 17% of that funding comes from the European Research Council, 57% of which involved international cooperation.

Does membership of the EU increase international research cooperation? Apparently there is an increase in collaboration when new countries join, but there is no causal link according to the report. It's not possible to draw any conclusions regarding any consequences if withdrawal, but it's likely that the UK govt would continue associate status considering the importance of this sector.


Which is all pretty much what some of us were saying prior to the vote. No doubt, based on previous negativity, naysayers will now assume that the UK will withdraw any associate status or cooperation and actively kick out any UK based headquarters of Pan European Research infrastructures.

Elysium

13,755 posts

186 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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jsf said:
So are you saying that unlike 2008 in southern Europe, the worst that will happen in London, in your opinion because of Brexit, is profits potentially wont be as high as they may have been?
No, as it currently stands developers may make heavy losses on projects if they do not have a a pre-sale. Values are reducing and this could easily get to a point where there is no profit left. At that point businesses may fold. But it depends on their exposure.

In most cases large London projects will have agreed funding and developers / contractors will have legal obligations to complete. Landlords / property funds will lose money as these will not lease up quickly enough.

The big problem is future schemes, which will be delayed until the market outlook improves. This means that builders are competing over a reduced pool of projects. If anything material prices are increasing, so they will take a cut in margin and try to push the pain down the supply chain. That will then impact specialist subcontractors.

Ultimately, a loss of profit and value at the top of the food chain will lead to tradesmen / labour earning less at the bottom. Less prepared contractors will fold and people will potentially be laid off.

Edited by Elysium on Tuesday 26th July 07:41

williamp

19,213 posts

272 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Australia, New Zealand and Canada. China, usa, venezuela. Mayalasia, taiwan, india, israel, south korea, chile.

All of these have signalled their desire to do a trade deal with us. Why risk that with a second refernendum??

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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williamp said:
Australia, New Zealand and Canada. China, usa, venezuela. Mayalasia, taiwan, india, israel, south korea, chile.

All of these have signalled their desire to do a trade deal with us. Why risk that with a second refernendum??
How many of those countries don't we already trade with ?

It could be that they are saying that they are saying they will continue to trade outside of the EU.

I don't thing it's a case of having a secret stash of goods to trade with them.

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

108 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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williamp said:
Australia, New Zealand and Canada. China, usa, venezuela. Mayalasia, taiwan, india, israel, south korea, chile.

All of these have signalled their desire to do a trade deal with us. Why risk that with a second refernendum??
I'm not sure where this second referendum is coming from. It's not going to happen.

Saying that, we already trade with all those countries. Of course they'll want to do trade deal with us.

So questions for you are;

- How many trade deals, that are beneficial to UK, can we negotiate at the same time, taking into account resources needed.
- Are those deals going to be more beneficial to the UK than existing ones. Have a look at trade deal between China and Swi for details on what kind of deals Chinese want. It looks very one sided to me, unsurprisingly; stronger party dictates conditions.

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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bmw535i said:
///ajd said:
bmw535i said:
Doesn't Sturgeon sound just like one of the prolific mentalists on here......

Brexit: Sturgeon sets out key Scottish interests that 'must be protected'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
The Yes campaign and Brexit were very similar.

Lands of milk and honey, magic money trees and fantasy economics.

Sadly I must confess when they made so much of being a fairer and more egalitarian society - a horrible idea that the societies might be "better" - they proved to be right by 55% to 48%.

Sad day for England to be comprehensively shown up by Scotland.
Yes, I was referring to you
She's far more of an isolatinist like a brexiteer at heart.

You won't get that from the express though smile

Pan Pan Pan

9,777 posts

110 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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bmw535i said:
Doesn't Sturgeon sound just like one of the prolific mentalists on here......

Brexit: Sturgeon sets out key Scottish interests that 'must be protected'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
Sturgeon clearly does not understand how democracy works. Just because some parts of the UK voted to remain, whilst others voted to leave the EU this makes no difference at all, when the overall vote of the UK was to leave the EU.
It makes no matter if the leave campaign won by a solitary single vote, the overall vote was to leave the EU.
All Sturgeon must do now is facilitate the democratic vote of the UK to leave the EU. If she cannot do that, she must step down. She seems to think that she rules, when she, like any politician, must be a servant of and follow the democratic wish of the people of the UK.

Pan Pan Pan

9,777 posts

110 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Jimboka said:
Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result?
Well you cant change the marginal result.
But most likely we'll choose to ignore it or negotiate a deal marginally better than Cameron's
Makes no difference if the leave campaign won by a single solitary vote, the overall result was that the UK voted to leave the EU. Or do you support the EU ploy, of making people vote again, and again, and again until they come up with answer `you' wanted?
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