Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
Discussion
sidicks said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Leaving the EU will probably f
k up the economy, but uncertainty and delay definitely will. We need to trigger article 50 tomorrow and get out as soon as possible. That we we have a remote hope for the future. But every day of delay is another nail in our economic coffin.
Rubbish, we need to properly consider the possibilities through negotiation.k up the economy, but uncertainty and delay definitely will. We need to trigger article 50 tomorrow and get out as soon as possible. That we we have a remote hope for the future. But every day of delay is another nail in our economic coffin. The EU technocrats have made it quite clear the UK can go to hell in a hand cart.
How can we attempt to renegotiate with such intransigence?
Here's scenario - Jean-Claude Juncker resigns on the basis he has presided over the UK's departure. A new commissioner is appointed more conciliatory to the UK and that the EU will concentrate on trade and tone down its attempts to leech the sovereignty of member states,
Who knows where that would lead us?
How can we attempt to renegotiate with such intransigence?
Here's scenario - Jean-Claude Juncker resigns on the basis he has presided over the UK's departure. A new commissioner is appointed more conciliatory to the UK and that the EU will concentrate on trade and tone down its attempts to leech the sovereignty of member states,
Who knows where that would lead us?
TwigtheWonderkid said:
sidicks said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Leaving the EU will probably fk up the economy, but uncertainty and delay definitely will. We need to trigger article 50 tomorrow and get out as soon as possible. That we we have a remote hope for the future. But every day of delay is another nail in our economic coffin.
Rubbish, we need to properly consider the possibilities through negotiation.k up the economy, but uncertainty and delay definitely will. We need to trigger article 50 tomorrow and get out as soon as possible. That we we have a remote hope for the future. But every day of delay is another nail in our economic coffin. TwigtheWonderkid said:
And those negotiations should start tomorrow.
Technically the negotiations can't start until we trigger Article 50.The first thing we need to do is get the very best team we can together for that process. That should not be a 5min job if it's done propelry. Then that team, and the government, need to work out their strategy and the plan.
Then we can start negotiating.
Rushing this now will screw things up more than you could imagine. It's not often I agree with Merkel but now is not the time to be hasty. Considered deliberations are required on all sounds, not petulance.
s2art said:
sidicks said:
HoHoHo said:
A vote asking for a second referendum signed by over 3,000,000 people was actually started by a leave voter who thought they would lose (oh the irony...)
Suggest you keep up with the latest news on this...Over to you.
HoHoHo said:
sidicks said:
HoHoHo said:
A vote asking for a second referendum signed by over 3,000,000 people was actually started by a leave voter who thought they would lose (oh the irony...)
Suggest you keep up with the latest news on this...I've google it and it's as I mentioned
HoHoHo said:
sidicks said:
HoHoHo said:
A vote asking for a second referendum signed by over 3,000,000 people was actually started by a leave voter who thought they would lose (oh the irony...)
Suggest you keep up with the latest news on this...I've google it and it's as I mentioned
Puggit said:
digimeistter said:
No chance! They will not risk riding rough shod over the electorate's decision.
Riding rough shod would be overturning a comprehensive win. Which this was not. London424 said:
HoHoHo said:
sidicks said:
HoHoHo said:
A vote asking for a second referendum signed by over 3,000,000 people was actually started by a leave voter who thought they would lose (oh the irony...)
Suggest you keep up with the latest news on this...I've google it and it's as I mentioned
I said over 3,000,000 had signed the petition.
If we're going to be exact, currently over 3.2 million have signed it and 77,000 have been removed so at least 3.123 million are real (to be confirmed)
I wasn't incorrect and, you write what you like but the fact is over 3,000,000 people have signed it until proved otherwise
Murph7355 said:
Technically the negotiations can't start until we trigger Article 50.
The first thing we need to do is get the very best team we can together for that process. That should not be a 5min job if it's done propelry. Then that team, and the government, need to work out their strategy and the plan.
Then we can start negotiating.
Rushing this now will screw things up more than you could imagine. It's not often I agree with Merkel but now is not the time to be hasty. Considered deliberations are required on all sounds, not petulance.
Exactly. Also why invoke A.50 which irrevocably starts the clock (and thus be beholden to it) and also categorically states our aims (that we ARE going to leave) rather than keeping it up our sleeve because you never know, we might not have to leave after all/might decide to hold a second referendum on the deal reached/any other similar negotiating tactic.The first thing we need to do is get the very best team we can together for that process. That should not be a 5min job if it's done propelry. Then that team, and the government, need to work out their strategy and the plan.
Then we can start negotiating.
Rushing this now will screw things up more than you could imagine. It's not often I agree with Merkel but now is not the time to be hasty. Considered deliberations are required on all sounds, not petulance.
Also Junker etc is all a distraction and irrelevant to the *actual* negotiations between the UK and Germany, with maybe a little bit of France thrown in. Once that deal is agreed, it will ironically be the structure of the 'EU' that is used to force it through everybody else. The Market has so far decided that Brexit is worse for Germany than it is for the UK (respective falls in the DAX vs FTSE). We should be in no rush to counter this position whilst we are negotiating with them (hence Merkel's slightly more rational approach to the situation).
This also goes some way to answering Pan Pan Pan's earlier point about why hasn't the 'EU' started asking questions about why the UK voted leave. Junker et al are there to simply project an image (that leaving is bad and will have consequences) to the masses. No weight should be given to it as in reality they have no weight, particularly (as pointed out above) they have just presided over the 'exit' of one of the world's largest economies from The Project. They are simply a political veneer in this (and ironically always have been considering the arguments for Brexit).
HoHoHo said:
It appears.
I said over 3,000,000 had signed the petition.
If we're going to be exact, currently over 3.2 million have sighed it and 77,000 have been removed so at least 3.123 million are real (to be confirmed)
I wasn't incorrect and you write what you like but the fact is over 3,000,000 people have signed it until proved otherwise
Only 400 000 of the three million are registered to vote in the UK oops I said over 3,000,000 had signed the petition.
If we're going to be exact, currently over 3.2 million have sighed it and 77,000 have been removed so at least 3.123 million are real (to be confirmed)
I wasn't incorrect and you write what you like but the fact is over 3,000,000 people have signed it until proved otherwise
😂Merc 450 said:
HoHoHo said:
It appears.
I said over 3,000,000 had signed the petition.
If we're going to be exact, currently over 3.2 million have sighed it and 77,000 have been removed so at least 3.123 million are real (to be confirmed)
I wasn't incorrect and you write what you like but the fact is over 3,000,000 people have signed it until proved otherwise
Only 400 000 of the three million are registered to vote in the UK oops I said over 3,000,000 had signed the petition.
If we're going to be exact, currently over 3.2 million have sighed it and 77,000 have been removed so at least 3.123 million are real (to be confirmed)
I wasn't incorrect and you write what you like but the fact is over 3,000,000 people have signed it until proved otherwise
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Murph7355 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
And those negotiations should start tomorrow.
Technically the negotiations can't start until we trigger Article 50.The first thing we need to do is get the very best team we can together for that process. That should not be a 5min job if it's done propelry. Then that team, and the government, need to work out their strategy and the plan.
Then we can start negotiating.
Rushing this now will screw things up more than you could imagine. It's not often I agree with Merkel but now is not the time to be hasty. Considered deliberations are required on all sounds, not petulance.
We're 3 days in ffs. For Christ sake, no more referendums for these people!
audidoody said:
The EU technocrats have made it quite clear the UK can go to hell in a hand cart.
How can we attempt to renegotiate with such intransigence?
Here's scenario - Jean-Claude Juncker resigns on the basis he has presided over the UK's departure. A new commissioner is appointed more conciliatory to the UK and that the EU will concentrate on trade and tone down its attempts to leech the sovereignty of member states,
Who knows where that would lead us?
How can we attempt to renegotiate with such intransigence?
Here's scenario - Jean-Claude Juncker resigns on the basis he has presided over the UK's departure. A new commissioner is appointed more conciliatory to the UK and that the EU will concentrate on trade and tone down its attempts to leech the sovereignty of member states,
Who knows where that would lead us?
Your first sentence illustrates why we quite possibly made the right decision last week.
The rest of your post would seem to be a welcome idea were it to happen, though I can't see why the member states leaders can't simply put him in his place, including our 'leaders' at this time.
It does seem that the UK could leave and negotiate a trade deal that would cause minimal damage to anyone's economy or peoples. However, there are politicians, especially within the EC, whose egos trump any rational thought and it looks more likely that their revenge will take priority, whatever the consequences.
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