Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

[anonymous-user]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Why do you think 333 plus thousand EU nationals are trying to get into the UK each year? Do you think they come here for our wonderful climate, or the exotic gourmet food available even in the greasiest of greasy spoon café`s, or for our unending acres of wonderful low cost living space, or our lightly used public transport system and roads? it is because there is NO work in many EU countries that hundreds of thousands of EU nationals are trying to get into the UK every year. All membership of the EU gives a UK national is the right in `principle' to live and work in other EU states. But the practical reality of getting work in many EU states is very different,(and when the going gets tough in other EU states the first to be given their marching orders are the UK nationals living and working in Europe in favour of keeping the locals in the job)
it seems many have swallowed the lies about the EU being a golden place for UK nationals to go and live and work in, hook, line and sinker.

Why can't UK employers employ UK staff? If that's what they do in other parts of Europe.

[don'tbesilly]

///ajd said:

I never post whilst at work - way too busy.

So no signs of a slowdown in the Aerospace industry?

You must be quite relieved that despite your assertions that everyone's job was possibly at risk as a result of the leave vote, you seem very positive about your own position......"way too busy".

Tell me, do you still live in Toulouse? Or have you returned to the UK?

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

I never post whilst at work - way too busy.

I'm amazed anyone here posts while at work - haven't they got real jobs? Don't they know there is a brexit on that we all have to knuckle down harder for?

Still no objectives then? How about a nice Rover 75 Brexit - something to aim for.

I always post whilst at work. We have to knuckle down harder for Brexit? What does this mean?

My sole objective, and the only reason I voted leave was to amaze you.

[///ajd]

Robertj21a said:

I voted to leave because I didn't want to be a part of the EU with their aim for 'ever greater unity'.

Just that reason? Ever closer union was debunked as a myth a few days ago. More brexit lies I'm afraid, don't be mislead by the 1957 Rome treaty, Camerons deal dealt with that in 2016.

I can you have no objectives on immigration and don't mind what happens to our payments to the EU and continued SM access then. That's good.

[Sway]

don'tbesilly said:

So no signs of a slowdown in the Aerospace industry?

My client, producing very high value equipment for the aerospace industry, has just received a LOI for it's biggest deal in it's long history...

That, as with 90 odd % of it's business, is not with a customer within the EU.

[Robertj21a]

///ajd said:

Just that reason? Ever closer union was debunked as a myth a few days ago. More brexit lies I'm afraid, don't be mislead by the 1957 Rome treaty, Camerons deal dealt with that in 2016.

I can you have no objectives on immigration and don't mind what happens to our payments to the EU and continued SM access then. That's good.

You must be a very trusting sort of chap if you believe everything so readily. In any event, I'm much happier out of the EU - whatever the end result.

[gizlaroc]

dan98 said:

Are you literally dumbfounded at the idea that a Brit might like to be able rock up in ANY eu destination of their choice and start to work and live there?
While at the same time utilising all their existing documents (driver's license, medical card, passport) to gain pretty much everything that the locals get?

Perhaps you could explain how somebody with that mindset be considered 'ignorant' and have 'serious concerns over their personal position'?

(Did you *ever* consider the fact that subjectively some countries in the EU might be far far far more attractive places to live than the UK?)

Yet you live in the UK?



I believe that the whole way the EU is set up, politicians, banking, ECB and even the IMF, is teetering on the edge.
I think as a business model, it is finished, the whole thing is like some Ponzi scheme that is starting to get found out, and it is my belief that there is maybe 5-10 years left before it has to go one way or another. Either a totally united Europe run from Brussels or it will be the end of the Euro.


Everyone I know in finance or politics seems to agree with this, however, most want it to remain because they really can't see 'what next'.

I just think that when it does go pop, the UK will be in a far better position being on the outside, it will of course affect us, but we will be able to make financial decisions with out any EU red tape to help us get through it.

Greece is a great example of this, as it the Italy situation, article today....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/28/imf...


And Italy..

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cac...


The problem is, nearly all the remainers I know seem to talk about 'free travel' as you did above, which I think is a wonderful thing, but imho that is going to be the last think people are going to be worrying about when the whole thing goes 'POP!'.

I loved being part of the EU in many ways, I just think it is not working though and the last thing you want to do is keep throwing everything you have at it trying to avoid the inevitable like so many do with failing business'.

So many simply don't seem to have considered the overall economic picture and simply look at what has been so far and the now, but that is a skewed view as so far nothing major has happened, but we are starting to see the cracks appear, from Italy in a debt trap, to Deutsch Bank in some serious bother etc. etc. and therefore basing your decision on what we have now is as I said skewed. But I do understand that many of us have nothing else to base our decisions on. It hasn't been too bad so far so why risk anything? But I think the risks have been taken already and are now starting to be found out.

So it is the lack of consideration of any of the above that my 'ignorant' comment was based on.

Now many will disagree with my opinion and that is fine, I can only speak for myself.


I was just saying, every time a remainer says I must have been ignorant for voting leave I sort of think the same about them when they have not considered any of the above.
But we all have different priorities and hopes, so no one is right or wrong, and we will never know which path was the best path either as we only went down one.

Edited by gizlaroc on Friday 29th July 19:18

[///ajd]

Robertj21a said:

You must be a very trusting sort of chap if you believe everything so readily. In any event, I'm much happier out of the EU - whatever the end result.

I didn't believe the scaremongering about ever closer union - many did fall for it, it seems.

Another one just happy to be out no matter what the consequences.

Sounds like you just hated the EU and that was the basis of your vote.

[alfie2244]

///ajd said:

Robertj21a said:

You must be a very trusting sort of chap if you believe everything so readily. In any event, I'm much happier out of the EU - whatever the end result.

I didn't believe the scaremongering about ever closer union - many did fall for it, it seems.

Another one just happy to be out no matter what the consequences.

Sounds like you just hated the EU and that was the basis of your vote.

You really are obnoxious using words like hate to make a silly point.....what makes you think you need to hate something to not want to be a part of it?

[anonymous-user]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Why do you think 333 plus thousand EU nationals are trying to get into the UK each year? Do you think they come here for our wonderful climate, or the exotic gourmet food available even in the greasiest of greasy spoon café`s, or for our unending acres of wonderful low cost living space, or our lightly used public transport system and roads? it is because there is NO work in many EU countries that hundreds of thousands of EU nationals are trying to get into the UK every year. All membership of the EU gives a UK national is the right in `principle' to live and work in other EU states. But the practical reality of getting work in many EU states is very different,(and when the going gets tough in other EU states the first to be given their marching orders are the UK nationals living and working in Europe in favour of keeping the locals in the job)
it seems many have swallowed the lies about the EU being a golden place for UK nationals to go and live and work in, hook, line and sinker.

Except it is fact. A lot of ambitious 'younger' people choose/chose to do so. A lot of the older generation choose/chose to live there . Shame it was potentially (not yet done, hopefully won't be) scuppered by a protest vote largely naff all to do with EU, combined with the idiots who believed the Brexit liars

[///ajd]

alfie2244 said:

You really are obnoxious using words like hate to make a silly point.....what makes you think you need to hate something to not want to be a part of it?

OK dislike then. Why is it wrong to hate the EU? Is that not allowed? Posters have said it here often enough.

What other reason can there be if those saying they are glad to be out don't express any of the benefits of leaving?

Have you thought of any objectives yet? Or do you just "not like" it?

[London424]

///ajd said:

Robertj21a said:

You must be a very trusting sort of chap if you believe everything so readily. In any event, I'm much happier out of the EU - whatever the end result.

I didn't believe the scaremongering about ever closer union - many did fall for it, it seems.

Another one just happy to be out no matter what the consequences.

Sounds like you just hated the EU and that was the basis of your vote.

But the EU and the Euro pretty much cannot survive without it. Have you not noticed how fked the economies are? Did you not read the IMF audit?

[Fastdruid]

London424 said:

But the EU and the Euro pretty much cannot survive without it. Have you not noticed how fked the economies are? Did you not read the IMF audit?

On the subject of the IMF, one of the main warnings pre-Brexit came from the IMF....now a report comes out that that they have been exceedingly impartial with regard to the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/28/imf... (paywall, view incognito or clear cookies).

In light of this their warnings might want to be taken with a large pinch of salt.

[alfie2244]

///ajd said:

alfie2244 said:

You really are obnoxious using words like hate to make a silly point.....what makes you think you need to hate something to not want to be a part of it?

OK dislike then. Why is it wrong to hate the EU? Is that not allowed? Posters have said it here often enough.

What other reason can there be if those saying they are glad to be out don't express any of the benefits of leaving?

Have you thought of any objectives yet? Or do you just "not like" it?

EU is not for me and has not been since I studied EU law as optional modules of my degree (partially EU funded) circa 1991 . Being 6 month too young I had no chance to vote in the "common Market" elections so this was the chance I had been waiting many years for and nothing to do with Remain / Brexit lies but more to do with this:

[Robertj21a]

///ajd said:

I didn't believe the scaremongering about ever closer union - many did fall for it, it seems.

Another one just happy to be out no matter what the consequences.

Sounds like you just hated the EU and that was the basis of your vote.

I'm happy to supply you with my personal view on anything if you want/need to spend most of your life on this forum to get whatever 'fix' keeps you alive. You won't, however, get much response from me if you change the words I used.

I could just as happily say I wanted to be out of the EU because of immigration issues - but that only gives you another opportunity to rant about people being racists.

Perhaps you could explain to me just what sort of thrill you get out of spending many hours repeating the same old rubbish all the time - particularly when you must know by now that many of us think you're simply a very sad case.

[mondeoman]

dan98 said:

Are you literally dumbfounded at the idea that a Brit might like to be able rock up in ANY eu destination of their choice and start to work and live there?
While at the same time utilising all their existing documents (driver's license, medical card, passport) to gain pretty much everything that the locals get?

Perhaps you could explain how somebody with that mindset be considered 'ignorant' and have 'serious concerns over their personal position'?

(Did you *ever* consider the fact that subjectively some countries in the EU might be far far far more attractive places to live than the UK?)

Good luck with the medical bills...

[mondeoman]

Robertj21a said:

///ajd said:

I didn't believe the scaremongering about ever closer union - many did fall for it, it seems.

Another one just happy to be out no matter what the consequences.

Sounds like you just hated the EU and that was the basis of your vote.

I'm happy to supply you with my personal view on anything if you want/need to spend most of your life on this forum to get whatever 'fix' keeps you alive. You won't, however, get much response from me if you change the words I used.

I could just as happily say I wanted to be out of the EU because of immigration issues - but that only gives you another opportunity to rant about people being racists.

Perhaps you could explain to me just what sort of thrill you get out of spending many hours repeating the same old rubbish all the time - particularly when you must know by now that many of us think you're simply a very sad case.

He's a bot.

[///ajd]

Robertj21a said:

I'm happy to supply you with my personal view on anything if you want/need to spend most of your life on this forum to get whatever 'fix' keeps you alive. You won't, however, get much response from me if you change the words I used.

I could just as happily say I wanted to be out of the EU because of immigration issues - but that only gives you another opportunity to rant about people being racists.

Perhaps you could explain to me just what sort of thrill you get out of spending many hours repeating the same old rubbish all the time - particularly when you must know by now that many of us think you're simply a very sad case.

More insults and no answers.

Apart from immigration. Is that the big one then? Control at any cost, and sod the SM?

[London424]

Fastdruid said:

London424 said:

But the EU and the Euro pretty much cannot survive without it. Have you not noticed how fked the economies are? Did you not read the IMF audit?

On the subject of the IMF, one of the main warnings pre-Brexit came from the IMF....now a report comes out that that they have been exceedingly impartial with regard to the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/28/imf... (paywall, view incognito or clear cookies).

In light of this their warnings might want to be taken with a large pinch of salt.

I'm not sure if you've understood the article.

It points out all the flaws of the EU and the single currency. The IMF basically broke all of their own rules to keep it afloat. Well all the same problems still exist.

[Fastdruid]

London424 said:

Fastdruid said:

London424 said:

But the EU and the Euro pretty much cannot survive without it. Have you not noticed how fked the economies are? Did you not read the IMF audit?

On the subject of the IMF, one of the main warnings pre-Brexit came from the IMF....now a report comes out that that they have been exceedingly impartial with regard to the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/28/imf... (paywall, view incognito or clear cookies).

In light of this their warnings might want to be taken with a large pinch of salt.

I'm not sure if you've understood the article.

It points out all the flaws of the EU and the single currency. The IMF basically broke all of their own rules to keep it afloat. Well all the same problems still exist.

I'm not sure if you are missing the point. The point is not the actual contents of the article as per se but that the IMF is massively pro-EU and hence any Brexit warnings such as https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/18/i... are likely to not be as accurate or impartial as they should have been.