Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
Discussion
Tuna said:
As someone with friends and family who have moved to live and work in (off the top of my head) China, New Zealand, Australia, Thailand, California, Canada, Finland, India, Dubai, Croatia and South Africa, I can't see what the obsession is about wanting specifically to work in Europe is. There's a world full of opportunities, and countries and companies more than willing to help it happen if you want to move. Our kids have more chances ahead of them than our generation ever did, and our contemporaries have gained citizenship of countries around the world. What exactly is your point?
Europe is on our doorstep and you could move and live there tomorrow if you like.Not so easy to do in the countries above.
Ghibli said:
Tuna said:
As someone with friends and family who have moved to live and work in (off the top of my head) China, New Zealand, Australia, Thailand, California, Canada, Finland, India, Dubai, Croatia and South Africa, I can't see what the obsession is about wanting specifically to work in Europe is. There's a world full of opportunities, and countries and companies more than willing to help it happen if you want to move. Our kids have more chances ahead of them than our generation ever did, and our contemporaries have gained citizenship of countries around the world. What exactly is your point?
Europe is on our doorstep and you could move and live there tomorrow if you like.Not so easy to do in the countries above.
The point is it is really easy in the EU, as are a whole range of other things that you get to appreciate being harmonised in the EU that you notice are different once you go further afield.
Ghibli said:
bmw535i said:
I think it's a strong possibility we'll still be able to holiday and "enjoy ourselves" in Europe, yes. 
Just not live or work there ?If you read back, it is quite clear I was talking about holidays.
bmw535i said:
I don't know what the rules on that will eventually be - nobody does yet. You can only guess. I assume you think it won't be possible?
If you read back, it is quite clear I was talking about holidays.
Agreed, nobody knows. If you read back, it is quite clear I was talking about holidays.
If you are going on Holiday to get medical care rather than using the NHS that's another story. Still nice to know you have an E111 if you need it.
bmw535i said:
I don't know what the rules on that will eventually be - nobody does yet. You can only guess. I assume you think it won't be possible?
If you read back, it is quite clear I was talking about holidays.
On a positive note..................Duty Free ciggys and booze could be reinstated if the UK Govt wanted to If you read back, it is quite clear I was talking about holidays.
Ghibli said:
bmw535i said:
Stop being obtuse. Nobody has even remotely suggested people are using their E111 for health tourism.
The good thing about an E111 is that it's there if you need it. The bad thing is that we pay for it.
///ajd said:
Well said. All a bit deflating isn't it.
As is often the case our current freedoms won't be missed or valued until they're gone.
Even little things like your E111. Soon to be history I guess.
A couple of points; it hasn't been an E111 for about a decade, it's an EHIC you need and the agreements apply across the EEA, not just the EU.As is often the case our current freedoms won't be missed or valued until they're gone.
Even little things like your E111. Soon to be history I guess.
Relying solely on the EHIC may disappoint when seeking medical aid, in many places you'll need to stump up before treatment. Frankly travel insurance is so cheap, even with many pre-existing conditions, that it's daft to not get it.
hidetheelephants said:
///ajd said:
Well said. All a bit deflating isn't it.
As is often the case our current freedoms won't be missed or valued until they're gone.
Even little things like your E111. Soon to be history I guess.
A couple of points; it hasn't been an E111 for about a decade, it's an EHIC you need and the agreements apply across the EEA, not just the EU.As is often the case our current freedoms won't be missed or valued until they're gone.
Even little things like your E111. Soon to be history I guess.
Relying solely on the EHIC may disappoint when seeking medical aid, in many places you'll need to stump up before treatment. Frankly travel insurance is so cheap, even with many pre-existing conditions, that it's daft to not get it.
hidetheelephants said:
A couple of points; it hasn't been an E111 for about a decade, it's an EHIC you need and the agreements apply across the EEA, not just the EU.
Relying solely on the EHIC may disappoint when seeking medical aid, in many places you'll need to stump up before treatment. Frankly travel insurance is so cheap, even with many pre-existing conditions, that it's daft to not get it.
Relying solely on the EHIC may disappoint when seeking medical aid, in many places you'll need to stump up before treatment. Frankly travel insurance is so cheap, even with many pre-existing conditions, that it's daft to not get it.
I would agree the EHIC will not be a big lose. However, for any retiree resident in the rEU any lose of the S1 system will likely be of considerable concern.
wc98 said:
///ajd said:
You don't have objectives for brexit?
I'm sure I can find alot more than 10 brexiters who will think the £350m/huge cash back was justified - many here tried to defend it as I recall, it was funny to watch Dominic Whatshisface trying to do that to the select committee. Remember that, and the chairmans withering contempt for such idiocy?
for every £1 we give to the eu we get £10 back. you forget that one already.I'm sure I can find alot more than 10 brexiters who will think the £350m/huge cash back was justified - many here tried to defend it as I recall, it was funny to watch Dominic Whatshisface trying to do that to the select committee. Remember that, and the chairmans withering contempt for such idiocy?
How when the UK has run a trade deficit for almost the entire 40 years since the UK joined the EEC?
How, since when joining the EEC in 1975 80% of the fish stocks in UK territorial waters were grabbed from the UK by Europe, leaving the UK fishing industry with an industry destroying 20% quota from its OWN waters, and where no compensation for its fish stocks grab whatsoever was ever given to the UK?
How, when the UK has not received a single net penny of funding from Europe since it joined the EEC in 1975?
I am afraid you appear to have been taken in, by a remain campaign sound bite / lie
dan98 said:
No, rarely;)
So you rarely live in the UK? That puts you right at the top of my 'for personal reasons' then.
dan98 said:
Britain has gone from being the 'poor man of europe' to a relatively affluent country since the immigrants flooded in and started doing all the tough (and often invisible) work for us. Visiting Germany back then felt like jumping forwards 50 years, whereas these days we're about on par.
The Brits are the fattest and least productive in Europe (sorry, these are facts), and personally I think we are kidding ourselves about some sort of miracle happening once we get our country back, or whatever it is that's supposed to be missing.
I think Germany did forge on after the war, but even in the late 80s and early 90s the factories and workplaces I saw in Italy, France, Portugal and Spain felt like they were 25 years behind the UK. The Brits are the fattest and least productive in Europe (sorry, these are facts), and personally I think we are kidding ourselves about some sort of miracle happening once we get our country back, or whatever it is that's supposed to be missing.
And I have more problems with factories in Italy and Spain now not hitting promised production dates than I do with those in India, the UK still hits every date given.
dan98 said:
As a personal aside,I envisage storytelling to my children one day about a time when you could pitch up in any city in Europe, rent a place, get some kind of job and join the society there - be it Amsterdam, Stockholm, Berlin or Vienna. I still pinch myself now when it becomes apparent how amazingly free we all are- and how sad it is to be throwing it all away for now and evermore.
As I said, I love the free movement, but this was the only thing that made me want to stay in the EU. I genuinely believe however, that in the coming years the EU will either move into a single state controlled by brussels as that is the only way I can see the Euro surviving, or it will end as we know it and turn back into a free movement and trading platform and nothing more. Hence I thought the leave vote was worth it, I would be prepared to lose free movement if it meant becoming governed by brussels, and it all falls apart it won't matter anyway.
turbobloke said:
hidetheelephants said:
///ajd said:
Well said. All a bit deflating isn't it.
As is often the case our current freedoms won't be missed or valued until they're gone.
Even little things like your E111. Soon to be history I guess.
A couple of points; it hasn't been an E111 for about a decade, it's an EHIC you need and the agreements apply across the EEA, not just the EU.As is often the case our current freedoms won't be missed or valued until they're gone.
Even little things like your E111. Soon to be history I guess.
Relying solely on the EHIC may disappoint when seeking medical aid, in many places you'll need to stump up before treatment. Frankly travel insurance is so cheap, even with many pre-existing conditions, that it's daft to not get it.
P.s Pleased to hear your son got the care he (should) have received in the first place, and recovered.
///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
Did you deliberately ignore my questions ///ajd?
Or would you prefer not to answer them?
You must be quite relieved that despite your assertions that everyone's job was possibly at risk as a result of the leave vote, you seem very positive about your own position......"way too busy".
Tell me, do you still live in Toulouse? Or have you returned to the UK?
No sign of a slow down in the European aerospace sector. Rolls doing well as ever, they excell globally as hinted at above.Or would you prefer not to answer them?
don'tbesilly said:
///ajd said:
I never post whilst at work - way too busy.
So no signs of a slowdown in the Aerospace industry?You must be quite relieved that despite your assertions that everyone's job was possibly at risk as a result of the leave vote, you seem very positive about your own position......"way too busy".
Tell me, do you still live in Toulouse? Or have you returned to the UK?
The future for the UK aerospace would be affected by tariffs, SM access and labour freedoms - IF they are changed. The seniors I speak to seem comfortable they are not at risk as May will protect them - they think. They are probably right and will lobby like crazy if they see a risk of her not doing so.
I've lived and worked in several EU countries, but currently reside in the UK, thank you for asking/stalking. Interesting to see some poster say "if you liked it abroad why didn't you stay there?". Not only does the idea of working abroad seem beyond the capability of some, it escapes them that some might want to keep moving around, seeking out the interesting work & life choices as opportunities come up. My work abroad has been great, my current work in the UK is my most rewarding yet. Doesn't mean I won't move abroad again. Working and living abroad is fabulous, so is returning home. Why build walls and be isolationist?
Your employment and move to Toulouse was hardly a secret was it.
I worked abroad many years ago, mainly in Germany during their building boom,working in Germany back then was as easy as it was for my son, who has just returned from Strasbourg where he lived for 2 years whilst working for a German company.
Both my son and I enjoyed working abroad immensely and my son will undoubtedly return to Europe within the year.
No walls are being built and the UK is not becoming isonationalist, we voted to leave a union, that doesn't mean leaving Europe.
Travel and work within Europe will continue, OK it might become slightly harder due to the requirement of a visa, but getting into Turkey involves the passing of 20 UK pounds to border control, so hardly a biggie I'm sure you'll agree.
Why paint such a bleak picture of something that is such an unknown?
We are 5 weeks down the line from voting to leave the EU,and we will remain in the EU for at least another 2 years.
The way things are going within Europe, the EU as it's known today will be vastly different to the one we know today in 2 years, if it fails to change/adapt/reform it's likely to no longer exist in it's present form, or exist at all.
///ajd said:
Tuna is right in that you can go anywhere and work - fairly easily.
The point is it is really easy in the EU, as are a whole range of other things that you get to appreciate being harmonised in the EU that you notice are different once you go further afield.
You mean like me living and working in Norway, which is not in the EU, and has ease of working, reciprocal tax deals with UK, EU etc??The point is it is really easy in the EU, as are a whole range of other things that you get to appreciate being harmonised in the EU that you notice are different once you go further afield.
It's done, get over it, it'll be fine and stop scaremongering about things that you don't know about.
Pan Pan Pan said:
How, when the UK is the second largest net contributor of funds INTO EU coffers.
How when the UK has run a trade deficit for almost the entire 40 years since the UK joined the EEC?
How, since when joining the EEC in 1975 80% of the fish stocks in UK territorial waters were grabbed from the UK by Europe, leaving the UK fishing industry with an industry destroying 20% quota from its OWN waters, and where no compensation for its fish stocks grab whatsoever was ever given to the UK?
How, when the UK has not received a single net penny of funding from Europe since it joined the EEC in 1975?
I am afraid you appear to have been taken in, by a remain campaign sound bite / lie
How when the UK has run a trade deficit for almost the entire 40 years since the UK joined the EEC?
How, since when joining the EEC in 1975 80% of the fish stocks in UK territorial waters were grabbed from the UK by Europe, leaving the UK fishing industry with an industry destroying 20% quota from its OWN waters, and where no compensation for its fish stocks grab whatsoever was ever given to the UK?
How, when the UK has not received a single net penny of funding from Europe since it joined the EEC in 1975?
I am afraid you appear to have been taken in, by a remain campaign sound bite / lie
The Maggon said:
They stole our fish!
The french rewrote the rules to allow the EEC(as was) to require new members to relinquish control of fishing rights to the EEC despite this not being an EEC competency prior to that or there being any treaty clauses that allowed this to happen; Heath demurred because he didn't consider the fishermen a big enough constituency to matter(~20k trawlermen perhaps not, but the 100+k of support industry jobs certainly were) and wanted it done and dusted quickly and without proper parliamentary scrutiny(where have we seen that before?). Edited by hidetheelephants on Saturday 30th July 22:25
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