Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

[anonymous-user]

All that jazz said:

You seem to be ignoring the not-so-small detail that the majority of the UK voting population doesn't want anything to do with the EU and wants out ASAP. So my point stands.

Or the majority of those who voted Brexit actually believed (strange but true) they would wake up on Friday to no migration & 350m a week extra being given to the NHS...

[lostkiwi]

fatjon said:

^this

And our government, the opposition and the EU best remember before they ignore or try to rerun this referendum that they can ps off a load of lentil eaters who will have a sit in and sing "we shall overcome" or they can ps off 17 million people who will be less subtle.

I am really not interested in EU2 or the status quo with a couple of Cameronesque tweaks. I voted for out and out is what I expected to get. I understood the words "Leave" and "Remain". I'm not interested in "the single market" as a club we must be in or out of with subscriptions paid to a load of snouts in troughs, mainly snouts rejected by their own countrymen at that.

If they wish to restrict our trade we will return the favour and also encourage their own sceptics to revolt. I doubt they will need much encouragement, always assuming our press and media can pull their collective heads out of their arses and support our democracy and our country.

I am also getting thoroughly pissed off with being called an old fart, a racist and uneducated. I'm 49 and have a good degree and own a company doing business all over Europe and world. I am quite happy for anyone to come and WORK in the UK if we need them. By "need them" I mean a skilled job earning a salary which makes them a net contributor and which we cannot fill with local labour. What I'm not happy with is jumping through hoops to hire good workers from the rest of the world while welcoming any EU resident unemployables or non tax paying minimum wage earners with open arms and a council house. Racism is applying preferential access to our country and jobs market to predominantly white Europeans while telling the rest of the world to ps off or spend months and a lot of money proving they are of use to the UK. We cannot afford to be the dole office for all of Europe so to not be racists we need the same controls on all applicants to live and work here. If the Scottish want independence this can also apply to them. Let them try to survive on oil at $50/barrel. Maybe they will join the EU, then France and Germany can also pay out to support another basket case economy? I suspect they might get time honoured reply though. We need politicians to to have the balls to tell Sturgeon and the rest of her clique of haters that this is the way it is, those are your options now choose.

/rant

Edited by fatjon on Monday 27th June 10:41

What have you got against lentils?

[V8 Fettler]

Blue62 said:

I don't think there's any chance of a re-run Fatjon, though what you may see is a General Election before Article 50 is invoked with at least one party standing on a remain ticket. It's not worth going back through the arguments, you had your reasons for voting Leave, the issue here is what happens next and the picture is understandably cloudy right now, but an outright withdrawl from the single market is not going to happen, your leader has made that much clear this morning.

Gove has previously stated that leaving = quit single market, has he changed that position?

Both sides = shambolic.

[Gary C]

Always said these things need to be two stage, first to vote on the principle of leave, then once the negotiations are done and an offer is on the table, vote again.

Trouble is, it looks like article 50 doesn't allow that.

It does seem from polls that a immediate second vote would result in a stay result, but that would render all referendums pointless.

A GE would have muddy waters because of the split of party line and EU issue voting.

I would like a second say once I knew what the exit agreement is, but that woul mean the eu countries would just play real hardball just to keep us in.

What a mess.

[fatjon]

lostkiwi said:

What have you got against lentils?

Sorry, I should not have been so rude about lentils.

[don4l]

p1stonhead said:

Except most of his items mentioned are EU rules and regulations and not European ones - Free Movement, Cooperation on services, Being able to live anywhere (and vice versa) etc.

All he wants removed are EU directives and rules, of which there are many very beneficial ones;

Equal opportunities
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid...

Working time
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid...

Use of personal data
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid...

Consumer rights
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid...

Do any of these things exist in the USA, Canada, Australia or Japan?

Pretending that we could not have these laws without the EU is just plain silly.

[Gary C]

lostkiwi said:

What have you got against lentils?

Foreign pulses, coming over here, taking the place of our home grown beans, putting good honest hard working English beans on the streets.

Terrible,

[Gary C]

don4l said:

p1stonhead said:

Except most of his items mentioned are EU rules and regulations and not European ones - Free Movement, Cooperation on services, Being able to live anywhere (and vice versa) etc.

All he wants removed are EU directives and rules, of which there are many very beneficial ones;

Equal opportunities
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid...

Working time
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid...

Use of personal data
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid...

Consumer rights
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid...

Do any of these things exist in the USA, Canada, Australia or Japan?

Pretending that we could not have these laws without the EU is just plain silly.

Bloody working time directive restricting my overtime !

[MDMetal]

The solution is simple, the EU needs to be clear that it's end goal is a single European country. Let it's members vote on if they agree, the ones that agree start the integration now and clearly separate the EU (country) from the EU periphery like the single market etc etc. There are several countries "stuck" in the EU at different membership levels, they don't want further integration and they're clogging up the process for those that do. The single market and other co-operative efforts shouldn't be the bait to be assimilated into a single EU country, let the members decide and split along those lines. Separate the institutions so the members who don't want to integrate aren't held to ransom and the exterior and interior can be reformed along the lines needed by those members.

That would be a clear mandated democractic action and it would be clear how countries can choose to integrate further later if they wish. It also allows the core EU to integrate faster and be more stable.

[RizzoTheRat]

All that jazz said:

RizzoTheRat said:

All that jazz said:

loafer123 said:

It sounds like Merkel is moving towards creating a new associate membership which is a formalised group of non-integrating EU countries as a compromise.

WTF has it got to do with that power crazy old bag? Our future is nothing to do with her or Germany. She needs to be told to keep her fat beak out.

As the strongest economy in the EU, and the most seats on the EU parliament, I'd have thought the future of the EU has got quite a bit to do with her.

You seem to be ignoring the not-so-small detail that the majority of the UK voting population doesn't want anything to do with the EU and wants out ASAP. So my point stands.

I am ignoring that as it's nothing to do with Merkel wanting to change the way the EU deals with stuff. She's a member of the EU talking about changes to the EU.

[Blue62]

V8 Fettler said:

Gove has previously stated that leaving = quit single market, has he changed that position?

Both sides = shambolic.

It is a total shambles right now, I think most people have been wrong footed by the result and everyone is playing catch up. It is very hard to be positive right now unless you were an 'absolute' leaver, of which I am sure there are many. I am a non-exec these days in two companies, they have had some indication from clients that projects will be stalled until the picture becomes clearer, one Spanish contract was canned on Friday but otherwise it's business as normal, whatever that means.

My biggest fear is that we end up with a patched up deal to stay in the single market, with few of the promised benefits of exit materialising. We will have to wait and see, but the wait will undoubtedly hurt businesses, the economy and jobs.

[The Beaver King]

RizzoTheRat said:

All that jazz said:

RizzoTheRat said:

All that jazz said:

loafer123 said:

It sounds like Merkel is moving towards creating a new associate membership which is a formalised group of non-integrating EU countries as a compromise.

WTF has it got to do with that power crazy old bag? Our future is nothing to do with her or Germany. She needs to be told to keep her fat beak out.

As the strongest economy in the EU, and the most seats on the EU parliament, I'd have thought the future of the EU has got quite a bit to do with her.

You seem to be ignoring the not-so-small detail that the majority of the UK voting population doesn't want anything to do with the EU and wants out ASAP. So my point stands.

I am ignoring that as it's nothing to do with Merkel wanting to change the way the EU deals with stuff. She's a member of the EU talking about changes to the EU.

As well as the fact that by leaving, we have made Germany THE power player in the EU.

It was always one of my concerns that by voting out we are basically handing Germany the keys to Europe; although I reasoned that if we did leave, there was a fair chance the EU would collapse eventually (domino effect etc, not because we are vital per se).

This isn't comparing Germany to the 30/40's, but it does suddenly give them quite a lot of power. Especially when he most of the remaining EU countries are beholden to them.

[p1stonhead]

Gary C said:

don4l said:

p1stonhead said:

Except most of his items mentioned are EU rules and regulations and not European ones - Free Movement, Cooperation on services, Being able to live anywhere (and vice versa) etc.

All he wants removed are EU directives and rules, of which there are many very beneficial ones;

Equal opportunities
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid...

Working time
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid...

Use of personal data
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid...

Consumer rights
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid...

Do any of these things exist in the USA, Canada, Australia or Japan?

Pretending that we could not have these laws without the EU is just plain silly.

Bloody working time directive restricting my overtime !

You know you can opt out like most people (including myself) do?

[oyster]

Crafty_ said:

vonuber said:

Yup.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36637037

Reading those quoted from Boris I can't help but think some of the staunch leavers / UKIP types will feel somewhat betrayed. I'm not sure that's what they voted for.

True, but amongst the 51.9% of leavers there will be a huge range of views, from mildly eurosceptic through staunch leavers/kippers and a few fascists at the far end.

There's no such thing as a typical Brexiter or Remainer.

[All that jazz]

Anyone know if any bookies are taking bets on whether Article 50 will happen or not? Having listened to what's come out of Brussels, No.10 and Labour HQ over the past few days it's now pretty clear to me that Article 50 will never happen and there will be no full exit of the EU as the majority voted for. I'm willing to bet a large amount on this.

[Hugo a Gogo]

All that jazz said:

Anyone know if any bookies are taking bets on whether Article 50 will happen or not? Having listened to what's come out of Brussels, No.10 and Labour HQ over the past few days it's now pretty clear to me that Article 50 will never happen and there will be no full exit of the EU as the majority voted for. I'm willing to bet a large amount on this.

We're all betting quite a lot on it...

[All that jazz]

Hugo a Gogo said:

All that jazz said:

Anyone know if any bookies are taking bets on whether Article 50 will happen or not? Having listened to what's come out of Brussels, No.10 and Labour HQ over the past few days it's now pretty clear to me that Article 50 will never happen and there will be no full exit of the EU as the majority voted for. I'm willing to bet a large amount on this.

We're all betting quite a lot on it...

"All"? Who is this "all"?

[Hugo a Gogo]

Every one with uk passport is on a big gamble

[Blue62]

Just learned that the brother of a colleague, who voted leave, applied for an Irish passport on Friday WTF!

[Pan Pan Pan]

All that jazz said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

All that jazz said:

Anyone know if any bookies are taking bets on whether Article 50 will happen or not? Having listened to what's come out of Brussels, No.10 and Labour HQ over the past few days it's now pretty clear to me that Article 50 will never happen and there will be no full exit of the EU as the majority voted for. I'm willing to bet a large amount on this.

We're all betting quite a lot on it...

"All"? Who is this "all"?

AS posted else where, what would the remainers do if the UK did get a second referendum and it chose to vote leave with an even bigger majority? Best of 3-5-10? until they got the answer `they' wanted?