Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

[carinaman]

Good old Teflon Tony:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/01/br...

[anonymous-user]

carinaman said:

Good old Teflon Tony:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/01/br...

He talks sense
Cameron quitting put the onus on the Brexit 'liars' side of the party to deliver their impossible dream. Kicking the can down the road gives plerty of time for common sense to prevail ..

[don4l]

Jimboka said:

carinaman said:

Good old Teflon Tony:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/01/br...

He talks sense
Cameron quitting put the onus on the Brexit 'liars' side of the party to deliver their impossible dream. Kicking the can down the road gives plerty of time for common sense to prevail ..

Common sense prevailed when we voted to abandon the sinking ship on June 23rd.

ET fix broken quoting.

Edited by don4l on Friday 2nd September 19:01

[Stickyfinger]

don4l said:

carinaman said:

Good old Teflon Tony:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/01/br...

Common sense prevailed when we voted to get rid of that total tt.

FTFY

[FiF]

Still clinging on

What's the quote of the day? "I'm not in denial, I'm in refusal."

Sums many of them up.

[don4l]

Stickyfinger said:

don4l said:

carinaman said:

Good old Teflon Tony:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/01/br...

Common sense prevailed when we voted to get rid of that total tt.

FTFY

We agree.

However, I had a quoting failure, which I have now fixed (I think).

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

Still clinging on

What's the quote of the day? "I'm not in denial, I'm in refusal."

Sums many of them up.

One of the desperate will be along shortly to dismiss this because it's from the Telegraph. These inconvenient truths must be a real nuisance.

[don4l]

bmw535i said:

FiF said:

Still clinging on

What's the quote of the day? "I'm not in denial, I'm in refusal."

Sums many of them up.

One of the desperate will be along shortly to dismiss this because it's from the Telegraph. These inconvenient truths must be a real nuisance.

That was a cracking good read.

I think that I must be a masochist. I could feel their pain, and I loved it!

[PurpleMoonlight]

Definately no chance of a U turn form Boris then.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3772134/Bo...

[///ajd]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Definately no chance of a U turn form Boris then.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3772134/Bo...

Interestingly aggressive on no payment and no single market.

They're either very confident that they can get tariff free access or just don't care.

I wonder when Nissan are making the next decision on a new model line at Sunderland (or other factories in the EU).

The risk of a 10% tariff and consequent impact on our car industry seems far from remote at the moment.

I'd be surprised if Nissan took a gamble on Sunderland escaping tariffs on its exported cars with this hanging over the future.

[Derek Smith]

He said the exact opposite in the leave campaign. This latest spin is to put pressure on May. Whatever the result of the negotiations many in the party will be dissatisfied. He's going for the top job already.

Dishonest and dangerous man.

[loafer123]

///ajd said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Definately no chance of a U turn form Boris then.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3772134/Bo...

Interestingly aggressive on no payment and no single market.

They're either very confident that they can get tariff free access or just don't care.

I wonder when Nissan are making the next decision on a new model line at Sunderland (or other factories in the EU).

The risk of a 10% tariff and consequent impact on our car industry seems far from remote at the moment.

I'd be surprised if Nissan took a gamble on Sunderland escaping tariffs on its exported cars with this hanging over the future.

Given we import more cars from the EU than they import from us, this would be the quickest and easiest bit of any free trade negotiation ever.

[///ajd]

loafer123 said:

///ajd said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Definately no chance of a U turn form Boris then.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3772134/Bo...

Interestingly aggressive on no payment and no single market.

They're either very confident that they can get tariff free access or just don't care.

I wonder when Nissan are making the next decision on a new model line at Sunderland (or other factories in the EU).

The risk of a 10% tariff and consequent impact on our car industry seems far from remote at the moment.

I'd be surprised if Nissan took a gamble on Sunderland escaping tariffs on its exported cars with this hanging over the future.

Given we import more cars from the EU than they import from us, this would be the quickest and easiest bit of any free trade negotiation ever.

My point is how long will it take to resolve?

No payment at all? When will the risk of tariffs really subside? Coming out with "no payment" rhetoric now is pretty dangerous stuff. Like Derek says this is possibly just a Boris move to look tough, though I do wonder if this is part of a "clever" negotiation strategy they dreamt up at the big house the other day. It doesn't feel clever, it feels cheap and risky.

What if Nissan have to decide on - just for example a new Leaf model - in say Q1 2017?

The reality is the govt might well need to reassure industry there will not be tariffs to keep Nissan in the UK, and look like prize plums in front of the EU. As usual.

[PurpleMoonlight]

///ajd said:

No payment at all? When will the risk of tariffs really subside? Coming out with "no payment" rhetoric now is pretty dangerous stuff. Like Derek says this is gambling - though I do wonder if this is part of a "clever" negotiation strategy they dreamt up at the big house the other day. It doesn't feel clever, it feels cheap and risky.

Could be I suppose, but very risky and not very clever in my opinion.

Calling a bluff is fine when only your livelyhood is at stake but the government is gambling millions of other peoples livelyhood here, and as you state an increased uncertainly could easily see big exporters to the EU move their operation to the EU.

[BlackLabel]

Angry scenes as police separate Leave and Remain protesters at anti-Brexit rallies across Britain (and Eddie Izzard has his pink beret knocked off)

Edited by BlackLabel on Saturday 3rd September 15:21

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

Still clinging on

What's the quote of the day? "I'm not in denial, I'm in refusal."

Sums many of them up.

Still 50/50 I reckon, keep kicking the can down the road, until events change the course.
Not that it's a major concern personally as I'm lucky enough to be able to get EU citizenship via an Irish grandparent I never met.
I'll still be free to flit between insular Britain (or little England when the other parts of current UK have their way) & place in Portugal. Regardless of the outcome of the 'EU nationals stay here if Brits can stay there deal'

[PurpleMoonlight]

Jimboka said:

Not that it's a major concern personally as I'm lucky enough to be able to get EU citizenship via an Irish grandparent I never met.

Out of interest does that involve obtaining dual nationality?

[///ajd]

Couple more pictures from the rally today.





LOL

[Sway]

///ajd said:

loafer123 said:

///ajd said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Definately no chance of a U turn form Boris then.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3772134/Bo...

Interestingly aggressive on no payment and no single market.

They're either very confident that they can get tariff free access or just don't care.

I wonder when Nissan are making the next decision on a new model line at Sunderland (or other factories in the EU).

The risk of a 10% tariff and consequent impact on our car industry seems far from remote at the moment.

I'd be surprised if Nissan took a gamble on Sunderland escaping tariffs on its exported cars with this hanging over the future.

Given we import more cars from the EU than they import from us, this would be the quickest and easiest bit of any free trade negotiation ever.

My point is how long will it take to resolve?

No payment at all? When will the risk of tariffs really subside? Coming out with "no payment" rhetoric now is pretty dangerous stuff. Like Derek says this is possibly just a Boris move to look tough, though I do wonder if this is part of a "clever" negotiation strategy they dreamt up at the big house the other day. It doesn't feel clever, it feels cheap and risky.

What if Nissan have to decide on - just for example a new Leaf model - in say Q1 2017?

The reality is the govt might well need to reassure industry there will not be tariffs to keep Nissan in the UK, and look like prize plums in front of the EU. As usual.

They only recently threw a load of cash at expanding the battery production facility in Sunderland. New Leaf will be built there.

After all, 10% tariff is less volatility than gbp:EUR, and they are running an entire plant at 97% OEE - that's staggering. As per this article, approx 50% better than pretty much everyone else...

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article...

[Sway]

Jimboka said:

FiF said:

Still clinging on

What's the quote of the day? "I'm not in denial, I'm in refusal."

Sums many of them up.

Still 50/50 I reckon, keep kicking the can down the road, until events change the course.
Not that it's a major concern personally as I'm lucky enough to be able to get EU citizenship via an Irish grandparent I never met.
I'll still be free to flit between insular Britain (or little England when the other parts of current UK have their way) & place in Portugal. Regardless of the outcome of the 'EU nationals stay here if Brits can stay there deal'

There is zero chance of EU nationals getting kicked out - UN Treaty of Vienna ensures that... Same for pensioners on the Algarve, or Brit engineers working in Germany.