Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
Discussion
FiF said:
To be fair I thought your earlier point, Derek, was completely fair, as far as it went. It's how the individual acts afterwards that matters.
For example, as a Leaver I don't favour a WTO option exit, never have, probably never will. Yet if that is what the Government achieve, for whatever reason, I have a right to think it's the wrong result. The key would be what actions are taken or not taken about that once the decision and exit are fait accompli.
Everyone can disagree with a decision of the government. We can take it further and opt for a petition, or demonstrate, form another party, that sort of thing. We can do it any time we want. For example, as a Leaver I don't favour a WTO option exit, never have, probably never will. Yet if that is what the Government achieve, for whatever reason, I have a right to think it's the wrong result. The key would be what actions are taken or not taken about that once the decision and exit are fait accompli.
My earlier point, and the one that seems to have run down an alleyway, is that no single option from the negotiating team, and ultimately May, will suit everyone.
I voted remain but I do not class myself as a remainer. I voted for what I thought would be best for me and mine and will do so in future. So given the fact, if fact it is, that we leave the EU, then my desire is for the option that is best for me and mine. I think that the WTO option - well its not so much an option as the bottom of the barrel - would be a disaster so if that is what the government opted for then I feel I have the right to disagree and opting to demonstrate would not be anti democratic. Those who would try and restrain my rights to do so would come under that title, and quite obviously.
I would not dream for voting for a party which suggested rejoining the EU but solely for the reason that I feel it would not be the best for me and mine, but anyone who did so would be well within their rights.
May, and here is my point, is in an impossible situation. She will not be able to satisfy the majority. The leave vote means that she has no blame for that but that is history, as I said. However, the result of the negotiations is her responsibility and hers alone. Lucky old May.
Some of those who voted remain will want what is best for them in whatever way they describe their position. Given the variation in possible results then I think that she will upset the majority of people, by how much is open to discussion. I certainly can't quantify it. But those who will be miffed cannot be classified under redundant headings, as if whatever she does after Article 50 will please all the leavers and make the remainers spit blood.
I've got my hopes for the negotiations but I doubt they will be fulfilled. In that I think I'm in the group marked majority. If it is near what I want then I'll accept it as a bad job. If we are told that the negotiations have failed and we're down to WTO then I will not accept it and will push for those who will go back to the negotiating table. I will express my dissatisfaction in ways which comply with the law, but I will throw a strop, as will many people.
However, given that the tory paymasters are unlikely to be happy with WTO, nor will the lobbyists, and many tory voters won't want it, then I doubt it will be something May will strive for. But there will probably be something imposed on any agreement with the EU that will include some form of free movement, probably of certain types of people.
This will not satisfy some of the groups in her party, and many in the electorate if the reports are true. So what will May do? Her options are limited. She's in the toughest of slots.
Do I hope she will make the decision that is best for me and mine? Of course. If she does will I accept it? Yes. Do I feel sorry for her? Do me a favour. Do I expect her to be toppled after the next election? Yep. Will I regret her leaving? That depends very much on her replacement.
As I say, I will accept it if we leave the EU. It is hardly magnanimous of me as I have no option. We all must as it will be a fact. I can, if I want, campaign against any decision that gives me a problem. I've lobbied before and will do so again in all probability. It is no good doing it individually though. I stated earlier that there are a number of couples around my age group that we BBQ with on an irregular, but fairly frequent, basis. We're all over 60. Out of that group only one person (but certainly not his Mrs I heard yesterday) voted for leave.
The majority of us are very similar in our hopes, and to a degree our expectations. The chap who voted leave, a DM habitué, has remarkable expectations. He will be disappointed whatever the outcome, but he has a right to be upset by any decision, as have I. The fact that he believed myth in a tabloid is neither here nor there. He can dream.
So classifying me as a remainer is history. You might as well classify me as a teenager. If we don't leave, then the reason is unlikely to be anything I did, nor anticipated come to that as I stick to what I have always said since the vote, the odds are overwhelmingly in favour of us leaving. I am now someone who hopes for the best outcome for themselves and their family, from the negotiations, which, in all important aspects, is the same as everyone else going by the posts on here, and elsewhere.
But to answer the question in the title of this thread, Yes.
Derek Smith said:
Everyone can disagree with a decision of the government. We can take it further and opt for a petition, or demonstrate, form another party, that sort of thing. We can do it any time we want.
My earlier point, and the one that seems to have run down an alleyway, is that no single option from the negotiating team, and ultimately May, will suit everyone.
I voted remain but I do not class myself as a remainer. I voted for what I thought would be best for me and mine and will do so in future. So given the fact, if fact it is, that we leave the EU, then my desire is for the option that is best for me and mine. I think that the WTO option - well its not so much an option as the bottom of the barrel - would be a disaster so if that is what the government opted for then I feel I have the right to disagree and opting to demonstrate would not be anti democratic. Those who would try and restrain my rights to do so would come under that title, and quite obviously.
I would not dream for voting for a party which suggested rejoining the EU but solely for the reason that I feel it would not be the best for me and mine, but anyone who did so would be well within their rights.
May, and here is my point, is in an impossible situation. She will not be able to satisfy the majority. The leave vote means that she has no blame for that but that is history, as I said. However, the result of the negotiations is her responsibility and hers alone. Lucky old May.
Some of those who voted remain will want what is best for them in whatever way they describe their position. Given the variation in possible results then I think that she will upset the majority of people, by how much is open to discussion. I certainly can't quantify it. But those who will be miffed cannot be classified under redundant headings, as if whatever she does after Article 50 will please all the leavers and make the remainers spit blood.
I've got my hopes for the negotiations but I doubt they will be fulfilled. In that I think I'm in the group marked majority. If it is near what I want then I'll accept it as a bad job. If we are told that the negotiations have failed and we're down to WTO then I will not accept it and will push for those who will go back to the negotiating table. I will express my dissatisfaction in ways which comply with the law, but I will throw a strop, as will many people.
However, given that the tory paymasters are unlikely to be happy with WTO, nor will the lobbyists, and many tory voters won't want it, then I doubt it will be something May will strive for. But there will probably be something imposed on any agreement with the EU that will include some form of free movement, probably of certain types of people.
This will not satisfy some of the groups in her party, and many in the electorate if the reports are true. So what will May do? Her options are limited. She's in the toughest of slots.
Do I hope she will make the decision that is best for me and mine? Of course. If she does will I accept it? Yes. Do I feel sorry for her? Do me a favour. Do I expect her to be toppled after the next election? Yep. Will I regret her leaving? That depends very much on her replacement.
As I say, I will accept it if we leave the EU. It is hardly magnanimous of me as I have no option. We all must as it will be a fact. I can, if I want, campaign against any decision that gives me a problem. I've lobbied before and will do so again in all probability. It is no good doing it individually though. I stated earlier that there are a number of couples around my age group that we BBQ with on an irregular, but fairly frequent, basis. We're all over 60. Out of that group only one person (but certainly not his Mrs I heard yesterday) voted for leave.
The majority of us are very similar in our hopes, and to a degree our expectations. The chap who voted leave, a DM habitué, has remarkable expectations. He will be disappointed whatever the outcome, but he has a right to be upset by any decision, as have I. The fact that he believed myth in a tabloid is neither here nor there. He can dream.
So classifying me as a remainer is history. You might as well classify me as a teenager. If we don't leave, then the reason is unlikely to be anything I did, nor anticipated come to that as I stick to what I have always said since the vote, the odds are overwhelmingly in favour of us leaving. I am now someone who hopes for the best outcome for themselves and their family, from the negotiations, which, in all important aspects, is the same as everyone else going by the posts on here, and elsewhere.
But to answer the question in the title of this thread, Yes.
Succinct, as usual!My earlier point, and the one that seems to have run down an alleyway, is that no single option from the negotiating team, and ultimately May, will suit everyone.
I voted remain but I do not class myself as a remainer. I voted for what I thought would be best for me and mine and will do so in future. So given the fact, if fact it is, that we leave the EU, then my desire is for the option that is best for me and mine. I think that the WTO option - well its not so much an option as the bottom of the barrel - would be a disaster so if that is what the government opted for then I feel I have the right to disagree and opting to demonstrate would not be anti democratic. Those who would try and restrain my rights to do so would come under that title, and quite obviously.
I would not dream for voting for a party which suggested rejoining the EU but solely for the reason that I feel it would not be the best for me and mine, but anyone who did so would be well within their rights.
May, and here is my point, is in an impossible situation. She will not be able to satisfy the majority. The leave vote means that she has no blame for that but that is history, as I said. However, the result of the negotiations is her responsibility and hers alone. Lucky old May.
Some of those who voted remain will want what is best for them in whatever way they describe their position. Given the variation in possible results then I think that she will upset the majority of people, by how much is open to discussion. I certainly can't quantify it. But those who will be miffed cannot be classified under redundant headings, as if whatever she does after Article 50 will please all the leavers and make the remainers spit blood.
I've got my hopes for the negotiations but I doubt they will be fulfilled. In that I think I'm in the group marked majority. If it is near what I want then I'll accept it as a bad job. If we are told that the negotiations have failed and we're down to WTO then I will not accept it and will push for those who will go back to the negotiating table. I will express my dissatisfaction in ways which comply with the law, but I will throw a strop, as will many people.
However, given that the tory paymasters are unlikely to be happy with WTO, nor will the lobbyists, and many tory voters won't want it, then I doubt it will be something May will strive for. But there will probably be something imposed on any agreement with the EU that will include some form of free movement, probably of certain types of people.
This will not satisfy some of the groups in her party, and many in the electorate if the reports are true. So what will May do? Her options are limited. She's in the toughest of slots.
Do I hope she will make the decision that is best for me and mine? Of course. If she does will I accept it? Yes. Do I feel sorry for her? Do me a favour. Do I expect her to be toppled after the next election? Yep. Will I regret her leaving? That depends very much on her replacement.
As I say, I will accept it if we leave the EU. It is hardly magnanimous of me as I have no option. We all must as it will be a fact. I can, if I want, campaign against any decision that gives me a problem. I've lobbied before and will do so again in all probability. It is no good doing it individually though. I stated earlier that there are a number of couples around my age group that we BBQ with on an irregular, but fairly frequent, basis. We're all over 60. Out of that group only one person (but certainly not his Mrs I heard yesterday) voted for leave.
The majority of us are very similar in our hopes, and to a degree our expectations. The chap who voted leave, a DM habitué, has remarkable expectations. He will be disappointed whatever the outcome, but he has a right to be upset by any decision, as have I. The fact that he believed myth in a tabloid is neither here nor there. He can dream.
So classifying me as a remainer is history. You might as well classify me as a teenager. If we don't leave, then the reason is unlikely to be anything I did, nor anticipated come to that as I stick to what I have always said since the vote, the odds are overwhelmingly in favour of us leaving. I am now someone who hopes for the best outcome for themselves and their family, from the negotiations, which, in all important aspects, is the same as everyone else going by the posts on here, and elsewhere.
But to answer the question in the title of this thread, Yes.
Derek Smith said:
don'tbesilly said:
Same message rehashed yet again, it gets more desperate each time I read it.
Two questions:
Do you want to remain in the European Union. (No caveats/clauses/T&C's/consequences specified)
Do you want to leave the European Union.(No caveats/clauses/T&C's/consequences specified)
Clever of you to hit the problem with the vote on the head: it was very basic, or as you put it 'no consequences specified. In other words, no one knows what leaving means. Two questions:
Do you want to remain in the European Union. (No caveats/clauses/T&C's/consequences specified)
Do you want to leave the European Union.(No caveats/clauses/T&C's/consequences specified)
What the government comes away from the negotiations with an option and the house votes for will be specific. The devil is in the detail as always. These specifics are unlikely to satisfy every leave voter.
Thanks for putting my point so precisely.
I not sure how the same message, whatever you interpreted it as, can be more desperate.
However, I assume, as you cut out the main body of my post, that you agree with what I said.
I haven't missed that you edited my post above, so can I assume you agree with the part of my post you chose to delete?
With regards the individual who didn't vote, doesn't care either way, but wants people who did vote to leave to face the consequences of their actions (despite them not knowing what they could be), he's more than welcome to carry on posting, I'm really not bothered either way.
His opinions and views are of course his right to express,I said as much.
I also said I wouldn't acknowledge them or him as I think he lost any credibility when he couldn't be bothered to vote despite his very strong opinions which would indicate a strong desire to remain within the European Union.
One needs to have the strength of their convictions if their view/opinions are to be given any credence.
Of course this is my opinion and one I'm free to express.
Your condescension and attempted belittling response didn't go unnoticed, and for an intelligent man is beneath you, but given such strong views on the subject will be ignored, you've done it before and will no doubt do it again, and at times I'm no better.
If there was a problem with the vote it was the fault of the Government and Cameron.
Cameron was told on more than one occasion not to offer/give a referendum to the people allegedly.
Cameron did give the people a referendum couched in the way I previously mentioned.
The UK voted to leave.
I don't recall Remain voters voicing concerns prior to the referendum about the process and how the questions were to be posed.
Why was that?
The Remain campaign and Remain voters never considered for one moment the vote would be lost.
To start complaining now about the process and way in which the referendum was conducted is laughable and worthy of the contempt the suggestion of a second referendum receives.
Do feel free to carry on, it makes for an amusing and interesting thread.
///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
///ajd said:
Perhaps you could get the mods to add a little star next to their username so you can ignore them when they post.
A six pointed star should do the trick.
You can't resist it can you.A six pointed star should do the trick.
You'll deny it as you always do,but it doesn't take much for the true you to be revealed, your 'subtlety' was exposed quite some time ago.
When I come across such blatent muppetry I can't resist, it's true.
There is a simple solution, however I fear the posters that say such ridiculous things won't be able to stop themselves in the future.
As stated above, if you don't want to be called a bigot, don't post bigoted things.
And pointing out bigotry doesn't make the "pointer out" a bigot. But I expect that will continue to be misunderstood.
That's a bit rich coming from one of the more bigoted posters on PH.May, and here is my point, is in an impossible situation. She will not be able to satisfy the majority
Yes she can, the vote was to Leave and as such the voters will be satisfied when we do.
Nothing else was asked of the voters. Only "possibilities" (good, bad, fear, heaven, hell) were put forward.
The next GE will be the vote on how things are/how will they be, as per always.
Yes she can, the vote was to Leave and as such the voters will be satisfied when we do.
Nothing else was asked of the voters. Only "possibilities" (good, bad, fear, heaven, hell) were put forward.
The next GE will be the vote on how things are/how will they be, as per always.
///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
///ajd said:
Perhaps you could get the mods to add a little star next to their username so you can ignore them when they post.
A six pointed star should do the trick.
You can't resist it can you.A six pointed star should do the trick.
You'll deny it as you always do,but it doesn't take much for the true you to be revealed, your 'subtlety' was exposed quite some time ago.
When I come across such blatent muppetry I can't resist, it's true.
There is a simple solution, however I fear the posters that say such ridiculous things won't be able to stop themselves in the future.
As stated above, if you don't want to be called a bigot, don't post bigoted things.
And pointing out bigotry doesn't make the "pointer out" a bigot. But I expect that will continue to be misunderstood.
We've had the comparison to leave voters with football hooligans and criminals.
The new one is comparing leave voters with persecution of the Jews.
You accuse others of being bigoted, but there is no-one as divisive as you, just when I think you couldn't stoop any lower you do, well done.
Stickyfinger said:
May, and here is my point, is in an impossible situation. She will not be able to satisfy the majority
Yes she can, the vote was to Leave and as such the voters will be satisfied when we do.
Nothing else was asked of the voters. Only "possibilities" (good, bad, fear, heaven, hell) were put forward.
The next GE will be the vote on how things are/how will they be, as per always.
If all the Leave voters wanted the same thing from leaving, then by delivering that thing, TM could satisfy them all. Yes she can, the vote was to Leave and as such the voters will be satisfied when we do.
Nothing else was asked of the voters. Only "possibilities" (good, bad, fear, heaven, hell) were put forward.
The next GE will be the vote on how things are/how will they be, as per always.
But they didn't. They had disparate reasons for wanting to leave. Whether they were asked for their reasons to leave, of the terms on which they'd want to leave, is neither here nor there, because that doesn't mean the reasons or the terms are unimportant to them, or are the same.
There is no single solution that can satisfy them all.
So you're wrong.
don'tbesilly said:
As I thought, dismissed with a 'lol', somewhat childish in the extreme.
We've had the comparison to leave voters with football hooligans and criminals.
The new one is comparing leave voters with persecution of the Jews.
You accuse others of being bigoted, but there is no-one as divisive as you, just when I think you couldn't stoop any lower you do, well done.
It was not me that suggested people who did not vote should not have a voice on this thread. We've had the comparison to leave voters with football hooligans and criminals.
The new one is comparing leave voters with persecution of the Jews.
You accuse others of being bigoted, but there is no-one as divisive as you, just when I think you couldn't stoop any lower you do, well done.
I simply mocked that view, as it is clearly risible. All this "take back control / sovereignty / democracy" rhetoric, yet the first sign of criticism and some demand the dissenters are silenced!
The poster can keep posting such nonsense if they want; many others seem to specialise in complete nonsense (that they clearly barely understand most of the time), and more often than not I ignore them now.
PS the football hooligans were singing brexit songs. They are on the brexit side for various reasons. Deal with it, don't blame me for pointing it out.
Edited by ///ajd on Saturday 24th September 19:39
Greg66 said:
Stickyfinger said:
May, and here is my point, is in an impossible situation. She will not be able to satisfy the majority
Yes she can, the vote was to Leave and as such the voters will be satisfied when we do.
Nothing else was asked of the voters. Only "possibilities" (good, bad, fear, heaven, hell) were put forward.
The next GE will be the vote on how things are/how will they be, as per always.
If all the Leave voters wanted the same thing from leaving, then by delivering that thing, TM could satisfy them all. Yes she can, the vote was to Leave and as such the voters will be satisfied when we do.
Nothing else was asked of the voters. Only "possibilities" (good, bad, fear, heaven, hell) were put forward.
The next GE will be the vote on how things are/how will they be, as per always.
But they didn't. They had disparate reasons for wanting to leave. Whether they were asked for their reasons to leave, of the terms on which they'd want to leave, is neither here nor there, because that doesn't mean the reasons or the terms are unimportant to them, or are the same.
There is no single solution that can satisfy them all.
So you're wrong.
At the risk of repeating myself there were two very straightforward questions.
The question: Do you want to leave the European Union received more positive responses than the opposing question.
It is true that all leave voters won't/might not get all that's required to meet their individual needs, however the end result, despite any conditions/consequence will end up with the UK *NOT being in the European Union*.
- That is what the vote was to decide, in or out.
don'tbesilly said:
Firstly I didn't quote the main body of your post as it was intrinsically linked to the part of your post that I did quote,the fact I did this doesn't automatically suggest I agree with anything I omitted.
I haven't missed that you edited my post above, so can I assume you agree with the part of my post you chose to delete?
With regards the individual who didn't vote, doesn't care either way, but wants people who did vote to leave to face the consequences of their actions (despite them not knowing what they could be), he's more than welcome to carry on posting, I'm really not bothered either way.
His opinions and views are of course his right to express,I said as much.
I also said I wouldn't acknowledge them or him as I think he lost any credibility when he couldn't be bothered to vote despite his very strong opinions which would indicate a strong desire to remain within the European Union.
One needs to have the strength of their convictions if their view/opinions are to be given any credence.
Of course this is my opinion and one I'm free to express.
Your condescension and attempted belittling response didn't go unnoticed, and for an intelligent man is beneath you, but given such strong views on the subject will be ignored, you've done it before and will no doubt do it again, and at times I'm no better.
If there was a problem with the vote it was the fault of the Government and Cameron.
Cameron was told on more than one occasion not to offer/give a referendum to the people allegedly.
Cameron did give the people a referendum couched in the way I previously mentioned.
The UK voted to leave.
I don't recall Remain voters voicing concerns prior to the referendum about the process and how the questions were to be posed.
Why was that?
The Remain campaign and Remain voters never considered for one moment the vote would be lost.
To start complaining now about the process and way in which the referendum was conducted is laughable and worthy of the contempt the suggestion of a second referendum receives.
Do feel free to carry on, it makes for an amusing and interesting thread.
I guess someone being unwilling to vote because they dont care if we are in or out confuses you. You feel that everyone should have an opinion one way or another because you do. Personally I'm glad I dont fit in your pidgeon hole as i like to think I am unique, well as unique as 1 in 12,000,000 can be.I haven't missed that you edited my post above, so can I assume you agree with the part of my post you chose to delete?
With regards the individual who didn't vote, doesn't care either way, but wants people who did vote to leave to face the consequences of their actions (despite them not knowing what they could be), he's more than welcome to carry on posting, I'm really not bothered either way.
His opinions and views are of course his right to express,I said as much.
I also said I wouldn't acknowledge them or him as I think he lost any credibility when he couldn't be bothered to vote despite his very strong opinions which would indicate a strong desire to remain within the European Union.
One needs to have the strength of their convictions if their view/opinions are to be given any credence.
Of course this is my opinion and one I'm free to express.
Your condescension and attempted belittling response didn't go unnoticed, and for an intelligent man is beneath you, but given such strong views on the subject will be ignored, you've done it before and will no doubt do it again, and at times I'm no better.
If there was a problem with the vote it was the fault of the Government and Cameron.
Cameron was told on more than one occasion not to offer/give a referendum to the people allegedly.
Cameron did give the people a referendum couched in the way I previously mentioned.
The UK voted to leave.
I don't recall Remain voters voicing concerns prior to the referendum about the process and how the questions were to be posed.
Why was that?
The Remain campaign and Remain voters never considered for one moment the vote would be lost.
To start complaining now about the process and way in which the referendum was conducted is laughable and worthy of the contempt the suggestion of a second referendum receives.
Do feel free to carry on, it makes for an amusing and interesting thread.
Is my opinion of any less value becase of it. Only to a small number of leavers it would appear. I wont lose any sleep over that.
///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
As I thought, dismissed with a 'lol', somewhat childish in the extreme.
We've had the comparison to leave voters with football hooligans and criminals.
The new one is comparing leave voters with persecution of the Jews.
You accuse others of being bigoted, but there is no-one as divisive as you, just when I think you couldn't stoop any lower you do, well done.
PS the football hooligans were singing brexit songs. They are on the brexit side for various reasons. Deal with it, don't blame me for pointing it out.We've had the comparison to leave voters with football hooligans and criminals.
The new one is comparing leave voters with persecution of the Jews.
You accuse others of being bigoted, but there is no-one as divisive as you, just when I think you couldn't stoop any lower you do, well done.
Edited by ///ajd on Saturday 24th September 19:39
Your views are plain for everyone to see, they've been quoted, to deny it is pointless.
People don't need to go far back on this thread or other threads to see your odious and bile ridden posts, you're a disgrace.
I do deal with it, and point out your poisonous and divisive posts, you don't point anything out, just spew it.
PurpleMoonlight said:
I guess someone being unwilling to vote because they dont care if we are in or out confuses you. You feel that everyone should have an opinion one way or another because you do. Personally I'm glad I dont fit in your pidgeon hole as i like to think I am unique, well as unique as 1 in 12,000,000 can be.
Is my opinion of any less value becase of it. Only to a small number of leavers it would appear. I wont lose any sleep over that.
It seems a little odd that you are so vociforous in your support of remain despite abstaining from voting. So if there is ever a chance to vote in a second referendum perhaps you could - then your endless benign droning may have some basis. Is my opinion of any less value becase of it. Only to a small number of leavers it would appear. I wont lose any sleep over that.
Now that Labour have committed electoral suicide, May's popularity with the electorate will probably grow stronger.
TM is certainly doing OK right now apparently:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ther...
TM is certainly doing OK right now apparently:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ther...
don'tbesilly said:
With respect Gregg I don't think he's wrong at all.
At the risk of repeating myself there were two very straightforward questions.
The question: Do you want to leave the European Union received more positive responses than the opposing question.
It is true that all leave voters won't/might not get all that's required to meet their individual needs, however the end result, despite any conditions/consequence will end up with the UK *NOT being in the European Union*.
The vote is over. Any argument on it is pointless. What we have now is the reality facing May, the tory party and the UK. On a small point, there were not two questions on the ballot paper of course, just the one. There was a choice between just two answers.At the risk of repeating myself there were two very straightforward questions.
The question: Do you want to leave the European Union received more positive responses than the opposing question.
It is true that all leave voters won't/might not get all that's required to meet their individual needs, however the end result, despite any conditions/consequence will end up with the UK *NOT being in the European Union*.
- That is what the vote was to decide, in or out.
May is backed into a corner by it. She needs to find a solution to the reality of exit. The fact that there is any number of different options for the result of the negotiations with the EU. The vote now means nothing, other than we are, in all probability, leaving, so the lack of specifics is what May will have to deal with.
There are tory MPs, right leaning papers and others all pushing their own individual ideas for what the vote meant. These have no bearing on the negotiations. As you should have said, there was only the one question. Now the work begins. Now the problems start. It is now serious.
The leave campaign put forward options for leave during their campaign, including lots of money for the NHS, Australian immigration system, the Norwegian option, etc, but May is not bound by any of them as there was only one question. The vote is over, it did not limit the government but that is May's problem. As we have already seen, different people see different meanings in the result, but there were no specifics.
A Norwegian type of option where little changes except we are no longer part of the EU complies with the result. We will have left the EU, out of it, but trading with it. The ballot paper did not exclude it.
The WTO option complies with it as well.
Which you prefer is immaterial to May. She has much more important concerns, and the referendum is not one of them. It is over. She will have to balance the demands from those who fund her party, the CBI, international business, lobbyists, the MPs in her party, the tory lords, and many, many more, probably including Murdoch to ensure his empire's support, at least as long as it suits him, for the final decision.
The vote is over. It is now immaterial other than the result. May now has to cope with different expectations and balance them.
She won't of course, but then her struggle will be amusing in so far as that goes, something of a spectator sport 'cause we won't be involved. We've had our say.
Just get over the vote. It is history. Deal with the present. Hope for the future.
don'tbesilly said:
Now that Labour have committed electoral suicide, May's popularity with the electorate will probably grow stronger.
TM is certainly doing OK right now apparently:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ther...
Those that convinced themselves that there would be a GE in the near future which would be won by labour led by Owen smith will undoubtedly be upset that this avenue to their u-turn hopes is now cut offTM is certainly doing OK right now apparently:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ther...
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