Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

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PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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bmw535i said:
No one is saying you have to vote. It would give your views more substance though
Why do my views of the consequences of the vote to leave have less substance because I didn't vote?

Yet again you fail to answer my timing question, why is that?

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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1. Yes, because by not voting you show you don't care, but by whining on here it's clear you do
2. Already answered

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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bmw535i said:
1. Yes

2. Already answered
1. That really isn't an answer to my question.

2. Why won't you do so again?


You are acting like a petulant child.




Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Sunday 25th September 05:31

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
1. That really isn't an answer to my question.

2. Why won't you do so again?


You are acting like a petulant child.




Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Sunday 25th September 05:31
laugh so much irony

Why didn't you vote?

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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bmw535i said:
laugh so much irony

Why didn't you vote?
I answered your question yesterday regarding my voting even though I had already done so to someone else the day before. Why do you refuse to offer me the same courtesy regarding my question of timing?

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
I answered your question yesterday regarding my voting even though I had already done so to someone else the day before. Why do you refuse to offer me the same courtesy regarding my question of timing?
It's already been answered smile

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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There seems to be an undeniable reluctance of leave voters to actually discuss the consequences of their action.

Wonder why that is?




anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
There seems to be an undeniable reluctance of leave voters to actually discuss the consequences of their action.

Wonder why that is?
Because we got what we wanted - to leave the EU. That's what we voted for and that's what we'll get.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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bmw535i said:
Because we got what we wanted - to leave the EU. That's what we voted for and that's what we'll get.
Yes you did and will, but why won't you discuss the consequences of that?

Is it simply that the end justifies the means regardless of what those means turn out to be?

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Yes you did and will), but why won't you discuss the consequences of that?

Is it simply that the end justifies the means?
I voted to leave, I wanted to leave, we're leaving and I'm happy. The end is leave, the means was the vote. You didn't vote, yet appear to be a remainer. That revelation has only bought derision I'm afraid.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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bmw535i said:
That revelation has only bought derision I'm afraid.
So we are back to chastisement for not voting again and the belittling of an opinion because of it.

I see you simply prefer to gloat at winning and have no intention of discussing the consequences of your actions, so I'll leave it at that.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
So we are back to chastisement for not voting again and the belittling of an opinion because of it.

I see you simply prefer to gloat at winning and have no intention on discussing the consequences of your actions, so I'll leave it at that.
Not chastisement, I just think it's hilarious. You sound like the young who couldn't vote because they're not old enough, who have had their futures "ruined" because of the older voters laugh

b2hbm

1,291 posts

221 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
There seems to be an undeniable reluctance of leave voters to actually discuss the consequences of their action.

Wonder why that is?
I really do wish you'd pack in this "Leavers avoid the consequences of their action" stance because it clearly isn't true. Some do, some don't. This would be a very boring thread if the Leave voters just kept posting "Remainers avoid explaining why I'm not £4300 poorer"

However, you asked for a Leave timetable. Grab a coffee, this is going to take a while.

Now that's an impossible question to answer as TM hasn't asked for my advice yet, but no doubt she'll check in with me before she pulls the trigger. I'll let you know when she does but in the meantime this is a pure guess from one Leave voter....

A50 actioned between Jan & March 2017. I suspect mid/end Feb, I'll be surprised if it happens in the first 2 weeks of the year although it might well do so. I doubt it will be later than April.

There will be no detailed plan, so don't ask for one. In a negotiation you keep your aims to yourself, only a fool starts negotiating at their bottom line. There will be vague outlines given to the public and these will be debated by experts on PH for the next two years. It could be a thread longer than "is the end nigh for the Euro" which is currently on Vol 3.

Discussions start April 2017, maybe earlier. Nothing serious happens. People on both sides strut about, play to the press and sound important. The media love it. PH goes into meltdown.

2018. Germany and France have sorted themselves out. The Eurozone has either sunk further into depression or against all current predictions, started to soar. This is what will influence the serious discussions; if the EU is recovering they play hardball, if they are stagnant, they compromise. But the main thing is that both parties now realise the exams are just round the corner and they need to get some revision in.

2019. Several options appear. The EU can't agree on any. Discussions carry on through the night. It is all tremendously difficult. More soundbites and the media love it even more. The deadline passes. Talking still continues with half the delegates snoring at the table. The most important decision for both parties will be taken with half of them sleep deprived.

At that point I freely admit I don't know what the results will be, your guess is as good as mine.

I suspect we will compromise on immigration but it will be in the form of Free movement of LABOUR as against FMO CITIZENS. The EU will claim victory. The UK will claim victory because you won't be allowed in unless you have a job to go to. There may be other dis-incentives attached, maybe in terms of benefits to dissuade immigration to minimum wage jobs which may currently be topped up with benefits. Immigration of highly educated people will not be affected.

The UK will claim that only people who work and contribute can come in, they are therefore essential to the economy and the principle of the referendum is satisfied. Some will be upset. I'm in an area significantly affected by immigration but I'd live with that. Even Farage will live with that.

The City will continue. If Germany or France were able to take the over the business that the City does, they would already have done it. Despite what some think, they don't say "we'll let the UK have all that money because we like them" the fact is, we're good at it. That may change, but it won't be the referendum that causes it.

Trade will continue. We may lose a few % of EU exports, I honestly don't know. But the EU is not the prosperous place it was 40 years ago and the indicators aren't going upwards. That alone would reduce our trade there even if we remained members.

The UK will prosper and continue to attract investment. If we want to do deals like Ireland did with Apple, we can do so without the EU sending us fines. We can do whatever we want, whatever it takes to make the UK progress without having to ask permission of 27 other countries.

Honestly mate, it's time to have a bit more faith in your countrymen. (and women)

Edited by b2hbm on Sunday 25th September 07:14

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
There seems to be an undeniable reluctance of leave voters to actually discuss the consequences of their action.

Wonder why that is?
No the only people who don't are the remainers apart from oh my god we are all going to die from an unknown crisis unless we have the EU to look after us,
I am happy to discuss , I hope we will see some changes to our economy !! less ponzi banking and taking in each others washing, more manufacturing and world trade more democracy ,being able to hold our directly elected government to account, control who we have in our country remove ones who flout our laws and welcome people of all colours races and religions who want to share our values ..go back to where we were before our suffocating membership of the EU ,as a outward looking independent nation once again....

All that jazz

7,632 posts

145 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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b2hbm said:
stuff
He doesn't care either way, remember.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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b2hbm said:
I really do wish you'd pack in this "Leavers avoid the consequences of their action" stance because it clearly isn't true. Some do, some don't. This would be a very boring thread if the Leave voters just kept posting "Remainers avoid explaining why I'm not £4300 poorer"

However, you asked for a Leave timetable. Grab a coffee, this is going to take a while.

Now that's an impossible question to answer as TM hasn't asked for my advice yet, but of course no doubt she'll check in with me before she pulls the trigger. I'll let you know when she does but in the meantime this is a pure guess from one Leave voter....

A50 actioned between Jan & March 2017. I suspect mid/end Feb, I'll be surprised if it happens in the first 2 weeks of the year although it might well do so. I doubt it will be later than April.

There will be no detailed plan, so don't ask for one. In a negotiation you keep your aims to yourself, only a fool starts negotiating at their bottom line. There will be vague outlines given to the public and these will be debated by experts on PH for the next two years. It could be a thread longer than "is the end nigh for the Euro" which is currently on Vol 3.

Discussions start April 2017, maybe earlier. Nothing serious happens. People on both sides strut about, play to the press and sound important. The media love it. PH goes into meltdown.

2018. Germany and France have sorted themselves out. The Eurozone has either sunk further into depression or against all current predictions, started to soar. This is what will influence the serious discussions; if the EU is recovering they play hardball, if they are stagnant, they compromise. But the main thing is that both parties now realise the exams are just round the corner and they need to get some revision in.

2019. Several options appear. The EU can't agree on any. Discussions carry on through the night. It is all tremendously difficult. More soundbites and the media love it even more. The deadline passes. Talking still continues with half the delegates snoring at the table. The most important decision for both parties will be taken with half of them sleep deprived.

At that point I freely admit I don't know what the results will be, your guess is as good as mine.

I suspect we will compromise on immigration but it will be in the form of Free movement of LABOUR as against FMO CITIZENS. The EU will claim victory. The UK will claim victory because you won't be allowed in unless you have a job to go to. There may be other dis-incentives attached, maybe in terms of benefits to dissuade immigration to minimum wage jobs which may currently be topped up with benefits. Immigration of highly educated people will not be affected.

The UK will claim that only people who work and contribute can come in, they are therefore essential to the economy and the principle of the referendum is satisfied. Some will be upset. I'm in an area significantly affected by immigration but I'd live with that. Even Farage will live with that.

The City will continue. If Germany or France were able to take the over the business that the City does, they would already have done it. Despite what some think, they don't say "we'll let the UK have all that money because we like them" the fact is, we're good at it. That may change, but it won't be the referendum that causes it.

Trade will continue. We may lose a few % of EU exports, I honestly don't know. But the EU is not the prosperous place it was 40 years ago and the indicators aren't going upwards. That alone would reduce our trade there even if we remained members.

The UK will prosper and continue to attract investment. If we want to do deals like Ireland did with Apple, we can do so without the EU sending us fines. We can do whatever we want, whatever it takes to make the UK progress without having to ask permission of 27 other countries.

Honestly mate, it's time to have a bit more faith in your countrymen. (and women)
Many thanks for your considered and comprehensive participation.

I tend to agree on the eventual outcome by and large, but I think the 2 years will be extended. The EU have a vested interest in doing so.

Free movement of labour for access to the single market seems a sensible compromise, but what happens when that employment ceases, would they have to leave immediately or have say 3 months to find alternative employment, would they be entitled to unemployment benefit during that time. Lots of detail to be resolved.

I wonder what the premium will be. Anything less than £10BN is a saving I guess.




b2hbm

1,291 posts

221 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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All that jazz said:
He doesn't care either way, remember.
yeah, and I know you shouldn't feed trolls but I'll give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Even those who didn't vote smile

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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powerstroke said:
No the only people who don't are the remainers apart from oh my god we are all going to die from an unknown crisis unless we have the EU to look after us,
I am happy to discuss , I hope we will see some changes to our economy !! less ponzi banking and taking in each others washing, more manufacturing and world trade more democracy ,being able to hold our directly elected government to account, control who we have in our country remove ones who flout our laws and welcome people of all colours races and religions who want to share our values ..go back to where we were before our suffocating membership of the EU ,as a outward looking independent nation once again....
I think everyone agrees there will be changes to the economy. I think the cost of living will increase.

Historically banking has always been a law unto themselves and no Government has yet been able to hold them to account. They have so much profit I can't see that changing much.

Yes we will be able to dictate 100% our own laws and that's a good thing. Mind you all EU laws were't bad by any means.

Oh, and there is no way on earth that I am doing anyone elses washing. tongue out

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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All that jazz said:
He doesn't care either way, remember.
I said that I didn't care if were are in or out, not that I wan't interested in the consequences of the result to leave. Of course I am, they affect me as much as everyone else.

b2hbm

1,291 posts

221 months

Sunday 25th September 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
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I tend to agree on the eventual outcome by and large, but I think the 2 years will be extended. The EU have a vested interest in doing so.

Free movement of labour for access to the single market seems a sensible compromise, but what happens when that employment ceases, would they have to leave immediately or have say 3 months to find alternative employment, would they be entitled to unemployment benefit during that time. Lots of detail to be resolved.

I wonder what the premium will be. Anything less than £10BN is a saving I guess.
Ah, we're all friends again. Good.

I doubt the 2 years will be extended by very much although I did say the deadline would pass without agreement. I could see 3 months, maybe 6. But we have an election in 2020 and the EU have their future budgets to arrange around the same period, so they will want their finances in place as well.

Whilst the EU would like our subscriptions, they don't want a member who may well obstruct or delay further integration to leverage negotiations and will certainly be a bad example for other potentially disruptive members; Hungary for example, other countries are available.

For the UK, if we haven't a clear exit by the 2020 election, TM will be toast. The voting pattern in terms of constituencies was overwhelming in favour of Leave and significantly in Tory heartlands. Boundary changes may weaken Labour but there would be a resurgence of UKIP to spoil the plot and a weakened government or another coalition would truly spell disaster. Even I don't want that. So the UK will leave before 2020 if only protect the Tory jobs.

No idea what the premium will be. I actually expect a loss in the first few years whilst we sort ourselves out. But I have faith in the country and our innovation, we've done some pretty amazing things in the past and will do so again. I personally might have a few bad years ahead but the future will be brighter for my old age and the next generation. Assuming they can tear themselves away from Pokemon on their iPhones (joke)
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