Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
Discussion
///ajd said:
And out come the insults.
It is cowardly to want to stop foreigners coming into your country.
It is anti success to go for Hard Brexit and make our car industry leave - or have to bribe them with tax payers money to stay.
On that note, can we set up some special tax codes so only brexiteers have to pay the incentives to keep Nissan & Toyota here?
CONTROL foreigners man FFS......and you wonder why people insult you.well here's another insult.....you come across as a stupid, petulant, little child laying on the floor in Tesco, stamping his feet coz mummy said he can't have a bar of chocolate......grow up little boy.It is cowardly to want to stop foreigners coming into your country.
It is anti success to go for Hard Brexit and make our car industry leave - or have to bribe them with tax payers money to stay.
On that note, can we set up some special tax codes so only brexiteers have to pay the incentives to keep Nissan & Toyota here?
Troubleatmill said:
///ajd said:
It is cowardly to want to stop foreigners coming into your country.
As a country we should get to pick and chose who comes here. Just like almost every other country on the planet.
Going by your logic... Every country outside the EU is cowardly.
///ajd said:
And out come the insults.
It is cowardly to want to stop foreigners coming into your country.
It is anti success to go for Hard Brexit and make our car industry leave - or have to bribe them with tax payers money to stay.
On that note, can we set up some special tax codes so only brexiteers have to pay the incentives to keep Nissan & Toyota here?
You keep going on about the car industry, are you aware that Swindon where Honda have a factory and sunderland where Nissan are were both leave areas? On the local news in the north east after the vote, they were interviewing people in the street, one worked for Nissan and said he voted to leave,even with all the threats doing the rounds, some people put what's best for the country first, in my opinion a very brave move.It is cowardly to want to stop foreigners coming into your country.
It is anti success to go for Hard Brexit and make our car industry leave - or have to bribe them with tax payers money to stay.
On that note, can we set up some special tax codes so only brexiteers have to pay the incentives to keep Nissan & Toyota here?
Perhaps we could have a special tax code for the remoaners to pay for all the factories that closed down when the EU expanded and lots of factories moved to East Europe? Strange never noticed you on here complaining about that,as others have said you do not care about this country, why do you not move while you still can to your wonderful EU, it's plain you do not like this country or its people .
b2hbm said:
But I'm slowly changing.
With the rhetoric coming out now from the EU they are either playing tough for the crowds or maybe they truly believe what they're saying, but that outlook is pushing the UK further towards a clean and complete break. (or the don4l plan as it's commonly known in Downing St
)
There was a debate on R4 the other night with two folks arguing between Hard & Soft options. When it started I was ambivalent but with slight lean towards soft exit. By the time it was finished, I was nodding my head and thinking, "maybe hard is the best way forward". I suspect that is going through other minds as well, and that's why we're seeing the revival of Project Fear from some parts of our industry who may lose out.
Yes, "may" lose out, nobody can say they will until we know what the deal is and what subsidies the UK will allow to support industry. Just like the EU CAP allows the French farmers to carry on as they do.
Your missing the point "hard" Brexit is no deal with the EU. It's back to WTO rules. No passporting, standard EU tariffs, exit customs union. So that lots of jobs lost in financial services, Nissan etc, stopping investment in the UK, emergency budget with large tax rises, UK credit rating cut, further emergency budget with large cuts in expenditure. Happy days are here again. However, I am sure team leave will be happy we have stopped Johnny EU Foreigner coming here and not claiming our benefits.With the rhetoric coming out now from the EU they are either playing tough for the crowds or maybe they truly believe what they're saying, but that outlook is pushing the UK further towards a clean and complete break. (or the don4l plan as it's commonly known in Downing St
) There was a debate on R4 the other night with two folks arguing between Hard & Soft options. When it started I was ambivalent but with slight lean towards soft exit. By the time it was finished, I was nodding my head and thinking, "maybe hard is the best way forward". I suspect that is going through other minds as well, and that's why we're seeing the revival of Project Fear from some parts of our industry who may lose out.
Yes, "may" lose out, nobody can say they will until we know what the deal is and what subsidies the UK will allow to support industry. Just like the EU CAP allows the French farmers to carry on as they do.
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
And out come the insults.
It is cowardly to want to stop foreigners coming into your country.
It is anti success to go for Hard Brexit and make our car industry leave - or have to bribe them with tax payers money to stay.
On that note, can we set up some special tax codes so only brexiteers have to pay the incentives to keep Nissan & Toyota here?
CONTROL foreigners man FFS......and you wonder why people insult you.well here's another insult.....you come across as a stupid, petulant, little child laying on the floor in Tesco, stamping his feet coz mummy said he can't have a bar of chocolate......grow up little boy.It is cowardly to want to stop foreigners coming into your country.
It is anti success to go for Hard Brexit and make our car industry leave - or have to bribe them with tax payers money to stay.
On that note, can we set up some special tax codes so only brexiteers have to pay the incentives to keep Nissan & Toyota here?
I know it. You know it.
Its seen as the acceptable way to talk about keeping foriegners out.
But its no different really.
That's my view and the fact you resort to insults reinforces it.
PRTVR said:
You keep going on about the car industry, are you aware that Swindon where Honda have a factory and sunderland where Nissan are were both leave areas? On the local news in the north east after the vote, they were interviewing people in the street, one worked for Nissan and said he voted to leave,even with all the threats doing the rounds, some people put what's best for the country first, in my opinion a very brave move.
Perhaps we could have a special tax code for the remoaners to pay for all the factories that closed down when the EU expanded and lots of factories moved to East Europe? Strange never noticed you on here complaining about that,as others have said you do not care about this country, why do you not move while you still can to your wonderful EU, it's plain you do not like this country or its people .
I've always been in favour of keeping our UK engineering and car industry.Perhaps we could have a special tax code for the remoaners to pay for all the factories that closed down when the EU expanded and lots of factories moved to East Europe? Strange never noticed you on here complaining about that,as others have said you do not care about this country, why do you not move while you still can to your wonderful EU, it's plain you do not like this country or its people .
Brexit makes that less likely.
Lots of people poo poo ed the threat and said "ah german cars" no one will leave.
I suspect many of the leave voters in sunderland and swindon believed those lies despite what you say.
Feels quite real now though.
Don't shirk respnsibility for your vote. Brexit means our car industry might go. Don't blame remainers for the risks they warned you full well about.
///ajd said:
Control is just a euphamism for keep out.
I know it. You know it.
Its seen as the acceptable way to talk about keeping foriegners out.
But its no different really.
That's my view and the fact you resort to insults reinforces it.
Of all of the countries outside the EU - that require visas , passports, work permits etc etc. What do you think of them?I know it. You know it.
Its seen as the acceptable way to talk about keeping foriegners out.
But its no different really.
That's my view and the fact you resort to insults reinforces it.
They are managing "foreigners". It seems to be the norm in the vast majority of the world.
Why do you have issues with it?
Mrr T said:
Your missing the point "hard" Brexit is no deal with the EU. It's back to WTO rules. No passporting, standard EU tariffs, exit customs union. So that lots of jobs lost in financial services, Nissan etc, stopping investment in the UK, emergency budget with large tax rises, UK credit rating cut, further emergency budget with large cuts in expenditure. Happy days are here again. However, I am sure team leave will be happy we have stopped Johnny EU Foreigner coming here and not claiming our benefits.
IndeedThey are all in denial about it.
It now seems to be my fault for pointing out the bleeding obvious downsides.
Given many are so nationalistic and think they love their country, I can see why the growing realisation they may have actually fcked our economy and our treasured industry might make them a bit angry.
Troubleatmill said:
///ajd said:
Control is just a euphamism for keep out.
I know it. You know it.
Its seen as the acceptable way to talk about keeping foriegners out.
But its no different really.
That's my view and the fact you resort to insults reinforces it.
Of all of the countries outside the EU - that require visas , passports, work permits etc etc. What do you think of them?I know it. You know it.
Its seen as the acceptable way to talk about keeping foriegners out.
But its no different really.
That's my view and the fact you resort to insults reinforces it.
They are managing "foreigners". It seems to be the norm in the vast majority of the world.
Why do you have issues with it?
We were however in a more open free arrangement with our European neighbours, but now it seems many want to stop them coming, or chose only the ones 'they like' to be able to come. Some including Farage have made it clear using maps who they 'don't like' and don't want to come. They also try and dress it up by talking about skills we need. Funny I don't remember maps showing where doctors and engineers come from when I was at school.
///ajd said:
Troubleatmill said:
///ajd said:
Control is just a euphamism for keep out.
I know it. You know it.
Its seen as the acceptable way to talk about keeping foriegners out.
But its no different really.
That's my view and the fact you resort to insults reinforces it.
Of all of the countries outside the EU - that require visas , passports, work permits etc etc. What do you think of them?I know it. You know it.
Its seen as the acceptable way to talk about keeping foriegners out.
But its no different really.
That's my view and the fact you resort to insults reinforces it.
They are managing "foreigners". It seems to be the norm in the vast majority of the world.
Why do you have issues with it?
We were however in a more open free arrangement with our European neighbours, but now it seems many want to stop them coming, or chose only the ones 'they like' to be able to come. Some including Farage have made it clear using maps who they 'don't like' and don't want to come. They also try and dress it up by talking about skills we need. Funny I don't remember maps showing where doctors and engineers come from when I was at school.
- that it might be a good idea to get our own unemployed citizens back into work first - rather than having them compete for roles with citizens from EU countries that decide to move here.
Not only do we get someone back into work and paying taxes, they are not drawing benefits. The public purse is healthier.
- having uncontrolled immigration is a bad idea. I don't see too many folks deciding to look for a better life in Romania etc etc
PRTVR said:
You keep going on about the car industry, are you aware that Swindon where Honda have a factory and sunderland where Nissan are were both leave areas? On the local news in the north east after the vote, they were interviewing people in the street, one worked for Nissan and said he voted to leave,even with all the threats doing the rounds, some people put what's best for the country first, in my opinion a very brave move.
Perhaps we could have a special tax code for the remoaners to pay for all the factories that closed down when the EU expanded and lots of factories moved to East Europe? Strange never noticed you on here complaining about that,as others have said you do not care about this country, why do you not move while you still can to your wonderful EU, it's plain you do not like this country or its people .
Didn't Nissan threaten to pull out of the UK if the UK didn't take on the Euro as a currency back in the 90's?Perhaps we could have a special tax code for the remoaners to pay for all the factories that closed down when the EU expanded and lots of factories moved to East Europe? Strange never noticed you on here complaining about that,as others have said you do not care about this country, why do you not move while you still can to your wonderful EU, it's plain you do not like this country or its people .
Mrr T said:
b2hbm said:
But I'm slowly changing.
With the rhetoric coming out now from the EU they are either playing tough for the crowds or maybe they truly believe what they're saying, but that outlook is pushing the UK further towards a clean and complete break. (or the don4l plan as it's commonly known in Downing St )
There was a debate on R4 the other night with two folks arguing between Hard & Soft options. When it started I was ambivalent but with slight lean towards soft exit. By the time it was finished, I was nodding my head and thinking, "maybe hard is the best way forward". I suspect that is going through other minds as well, and that's why we're seeing the revival of Project Fear from some parts of our industry who may lose out.
Yes, "may" lose out, nobody can say they will until we know what the deal is and what subsidies the UK will allow to support industry. Just like the EU CAP allows the French farmers to carry on as they do.
Your missing the point "hard" Brexit is no deal with the EU. It's back to WTO rules. No passporting, standard EU tariffs, exit customs union. So that lots of jobs lost in financial services, Nissan etc, stopping investment in the UK, emergency budget with large tax rises, UK credit rating cut, further emergency budget with large cuts in expenditure. Happy days are here again. However, I am sure team leave will be happy we have stopped Johnny EU Foreigner coming here and not claiming our benefits.With the rhetoric coming out now from the EU they are either playing tough for the crowds or maybe they truly believe what they're saying, but that outlook is pushing the UK further towards a clean and complete break. (or the don4l plan as it's commonly known in Downing St
) There was a debate on R4 the other night with two folks arguing between Hard & Soft options. When it started I was ambivalent but with slight lean towards soft exit. By the time it was finished, I was nodding my head and thinking, "maybe hard is the best way forward". I suspect that is going through other minds as well, and that's why we're seeing the revival of Project Fear from some parts of our industry who may lose out.
Yes, "may" lose out, nobody can say they will until we know what the deal is and what subsidies the UK will allow to support industry. Just like the EU CAP allows the French farmers to carry on as they do.
bmw535i said:
Ha ha ha I think ajd has got out of bed the wrong side today 
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A clean break is the only way forward.
PRTVR said:
You keep going on about the car industry, are you aware that Swindon where Honda have a factory and sunderland where Nissan are were both leave areas? On the local news in the north east after the vote, they were interviewing people in the street, one worked for Nissan and said he voted to leave,even with all the threats doing the rounds, some people put what's best for the country first, in my opinion a very brave move.
Perhaps we could have a special tax code for the remoaners to pay for all the factories that closed down when the EU expanded and lots of factories moved to East Europe? Strange never noticed you on here complaining about that,as others have said you do not care about this country, why do you not move while you still can to your wonderful EU, it's plain you do not like this country or its people .
I bet you brave leave voter will moan like hell at the government if he loses his job.Perhaps we could have a special tax code for the remoaners to pay for all the factories that closed down when the EU expanded and lots of factories moved to East Europe? Strange never noticed you on here complaining about that,as others have said you do not care about this country, why do you not move while you still can to your wonderful EU, it's plain you do not like this country or its people .
Not sure I noticed lots of factories moving to Eastern Europe. Most seemed to be moving production to SEA.
Rather than a tax on remained how about a tax on team leave if it all goes horribly wrong.
Mrr T said:
I bet you brave leave voter will moan like hell at the government if he loses his job.
Not sure I noticed lots of factories moving to Eastern Europe. Most seemed to be moving production to SEA.
Rather than a tax on remained how about a tax on team leave if it all goes horribly wrong.
If course they will. Not sure I noticed lots of factories moving to Eastern Europe. Most seemed to be moving production to SEA.
Rather than a tax on remained how about a tax on team leave if it all goes horribly wrong.
Govt should have given Nissan their bung etc. to stop them leaving.
I wonder if they were given the choice of an actual P45 or the ability to change their vote Remain, how many would stick to their guns?
London424 said:
Mrr T said:
b2hbm said:
But I'm slowly changing.
With the rhetoric coming out now from the EU they are either playing tough for the crowds or maybe they truly believe what they're saying, but that outlook is pushing the UK further towards a clean and complete break. (or the don4l plan as it's commonly known in Downing St )
There was a debate on R4 the other night with two folks arguing between Hard & Soft options. When it started I was ambivalent but with slight lean towards soft exit. By the time it was finished, I was nodding my head and thinking, "maybe hard is the best way forward". I suspect that is going through other minds as well, and that's why we're seeing the revival of Project Fear from some parts of our industry who may lose out.
Yes, "may" lose out, nobody can say they will until we know what the deal is and what subsidies the UK will allow to support industry. Just like the EU CAP allows the French farmers to carry on as they do.
Your missing the point "hard" Brexit is no deal with the EU. It's back to WTO rules. No passporting, standard EU tariffs, exit customs union. So that lots of jobs lost in financial services, Nissan etc, stopping investment in the UK, emergency budget with large tax rises, UK credit rating cut, further emergency budget with large cuts in expenditure. Happy days are here again. However, I am sure team leave will be happy we have stopped Johnny EU Foreigner coming here and not claiming our benefits.With the rhetoric coming out now from the EU they are either playing tough for the crowds or maybe they truly believe what they're saying, but that outlook is pushing the UK further towards a clean and complete break. (or the don4l plan as it's commonly known in Downing St
) There was a debate on R4 the other night with two folks arguing between Hard & Soft options. When it started I was ambivalent but with slight lean towards soft exit. By the time it was finished, I was nodding my head and thinking, "maybe hard is the best way forward". I suspect that is going through other minds as well, and that's why we're seeing the revival of Project Fear from some parts of our industry who may lose out.
Yes, "may" lose out, nobody can say they will until we know what the deal is and what subsidies the UK will allow to support industry. Just like the EU CAP allows the French farmers to carry on as they do.
This is about access to customers. Without passporting UK regulated FS companies will not be able to sell to rEU customers. The only option for the FS companies will be to relocate UK jobs to an rUK country.
With the current comments from the leave dream team I would expect many will be looking for new offices soon.
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