Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

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PRTVR

7,073 posts

220 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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Gogoplata said:
PRTVR said:
You keep going on about the car industry, are you aware that Swindon where Honda have a factory and sunderland where Nissan are were both leave areas? On the local news in the north east after the vote, they were interviewing people in the street, one worked for Nissan and said he voted to leave,even with all the threats doing the rounds, some people put what's best for the country first, in my opinion a very brave move.
Perhaps we could have a special tax code for the remoaners to pay for all the factories that closed down when the EU expanded and lots of factories moved to East Europe? Strange never noticed you on here complaining about that,as others have said you do not care about this country, why do you not move while you still can to your wonderful EU, it's plain you do not like this country or its people .
Didn't Nissan threaten to pull out of the UK if the UK didn't take on the Euro as a currency back in the 90's?
Yes very true, also Nissan is part owned by the French government so the comments coming from them will reflect this.

don'tbesilly

13,900 posts

162 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
don'tbesilly said:
Pathetic response,for a pathetic reason, from a pathetic person.
I see you didn't take heed of my comment yesterday morning.

ajd is correct, so many leavers resort to throwing insults eventually.

Shame ....

Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Saturday 1st October 13:05
I didn't get a reply, see below.

You reap what you sow.

Your comment about ///ajd is frankly ludicrous and unbelievable beyond words!

No one comes close to his odious, snidey, sneery, disgraceful, shameful insults aimed at leave voters, your support of his insults makes you as bad as him, I'm amazed you can align yourself with his way of thinking.

Speaks volumes about your character!

don'tbesilly said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
don'tbesilly said:
For someone who didn't vote, yet be so vocal, and then to decry the importance that others placed upon their decision and vote is laughable.
If it's so important perhaps you should stop patronising and ridiculing those that voted to remain and lost and respect their vote with honour and compassion.
You can of course point me in the direction of where I have done what you allege, when you do, I'll defend whatever it is that you allege that I have done and the reasons behind the alleged slights.

It's admirable of you to defend the offended, if they had been as offended as you suggest perhaps they should have said so at the time of your unfounded accusations.

Please do carry on though.

I don't suppose I'll get a response.

don'tbesilly

13,900 posts

162 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Stickyfinger said:
or a cheep grammar checking.....talking of sad
And it's this sort of attitude that has got us where we are today. Parents and teachers not willing to correct children because it might hurt their delicate little feelings.

But I digress .....
Adult enough to correct someone's spelling and grammar, but not adult enough to vote.

Maybe you DIDN'T vote because you didn't get out of bed when Mummy told you to.

Daddy had left to go to work and you would have to walk to the polling station.
Daddy hadn't fixed the puncture in your front inner tube, and Mummy was changing the bed sheets after your latest unfortunate nightly accident.

You were then too busy watching Cbeebies and couldn't be arsed to make the effort, so decided NOT to vote.

We can all play your games, but quit the accusations of throwing insults around, your hypocrisy is on a par with your new found buddy ///ajd

confused_buyer

6,610 posts

180 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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///ajd said:
Fair points, but there are counters also:

Has it occurred to you that UK punters won't want to pay 10% extra, and resent such tariffs - they won't be acceptable. Brexit tax on a BMW. Thanks.
Not strictly on topic but quite a few BMWs sold in this country will not be affected and already have import duty attached. Same applies to many Mercedes - IIRC all C Class Saloons are non-EU sourced (the Estates are).

On topic, a silly trade war on car tariffs may well happen but there will be no winners from it. It will affect and devalue significant investment over decades by EU based car manufacturers in the UK, reduce UK car production but also hit EU manufacturer's profits and margins.

In short there will be massive lobbying to both EU governments and the UK one to grow up and stop being silly.

Whether that will actually do any good or not I have no idea.


Edited by confused_buyer on Saturday 1st October 13:59

confused_buyer

6,610 posts

180 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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Mrr T said:
MiFID 2 which allows countries with equivalence to apply for passporting will be fully implemented in 2018. However, there is no indication how the process will work. AIFMD allowed some limited passporting and was implemented in 2015. A year later and we are starting to see some guidelines from ESMA how the process will work.

So with luck we might get passporting via MIFID 2 in 2019/2020. If your happy to wait that long to start the art 50 process so am I.
A sensible solution would be for the UK and EU to come to a transitional arrangement between 2019 and the start of MIFID 2. Goodness know if they'll be sensible or not but there'll need to be a quid pro quo so - continuing payments to the Eu budget during such a period would probably do it.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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don'tbesilly said:
Adult enough to correct someone's spelling and grammar, but not adult enough to vote.

Maybe you DIDN'T vote because you didn't get out of bed when Mummy told you to.

Daddy had left to go to work and you would have to walk to the polling station.
Daddy hadn't fixed the puncture in your front inner tube, and Mummy was changing the bed sheets after your latest unfortunate nightly accident.

You were then too busy watching Cbeebies and couldn't be arsed to make the effort, so decided NOT to vote.

We can all play your games, but quit the accusations of throwing insults around, your hypocrisy is on a par with your new found buddy ///ajd
Have you now finished your little tantrum?

paul789

3,676 posts

103 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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don'tbesilly said:
paul789 said:
///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
///ajd said:
Seems like the EU are calling our bluff already.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/30/u...

"Go on then, they say. Go hard if you want to." [Stifled chuckle].
Love it don't you.

You must run around the room like a demented banshee wailing "I told you so" when you read the Guardian.
No I don't love it.

It's a total train wreck.

Cameron never intended the vote to end up with us leaving, as he knew it would be a disaster.

He did it to try and reduce UKIP votes and control his own party's tiresome infighting. That's it.

It's just been a huge huge miscalculation. A backfire. But no-one wants to admit it.

3 months in now. Where are we going again? Has no-one decided yet? Still no plan?

Will we have another 3 months of silence from May?
Well, looking at articles such as the one you have linked, there is no plan because there's nothing to be negotiated - the positions are entrenched and when it comes down to it, irreconcilable. The UK wants a watering down of FMOL and continued single market access. The EU have consistently, publicly stated - no compromise; the four freedoms can't be watered down.

I voted Remain and as much as I'd like a situation similar to the status quo, not only do we have to leave but sadly we have to leave decisively. At an institutional level, they (the EU parliament, the council etc..etc) despise the UK - so let's just disrupt and leave on our own terms. Even if we had stayed, the simmering contempt would have resulted in a stitch up or self-inflicted retreat at some stage.

Anything other than a decisive brexit will be portrayed as ignoring the democratic will. We should therefore go and deal with the consequences. Personally, I fear it won't end well but have to see just how things pan out if we really put sovereignty and immigration control above everything else.

I disagree with your reason/s for wanting to remain, and to a degree your last sentence, however I salute your pragmatism.

Your post is the most sensible,and by some margin,the best I've seen written by a leave voter since the result of the referendum was announced.

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There is a compromise on free movement to be had, the EU need to stop the bullying and fearmongering tactics and I believe we can all walk away with an agreement, it WON'T please everyone, but acceptable to most in my opinion.
Well, thank you sir. My thoughts have been swirling around on this for a while and my original decision for remain was finely balanced but ultimately I felt that everything was secondary to the economy and that leave was a risk too great to take. I did and do have a lot of sympathy for the sovereignty argument though..

But it's *all* different now - totally different set of criteria to judge the situation by and it's really going to be gloves off when A50 is triggered - we're dealing with adversaries, regrettably. Hence, let's not waste our energy in trench warfare and let's be bold and assertive.

Edited by paul789 on Saturday 1st October 14:12

dandarez

13,246 posts

282 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Stickyfinger said:
or a cheep grammar checking.....talking of sad
And it's this sort of attitude that has got us where we are today. Parents and teachers not willing to correct children because it might hurt their delicate little feelings.

But I digress .....
Attitudes and where we are today, eh?

And possibly more important, people of past generations suffering, even giving their lives, so future generations can have freedoms they didn't... even the right to a vote.

Oh, wait a mo... rolleyes


The Purple haze descends again.



PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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dandarez said:
Attitudes and where we are today, eh?

And possibly more important, people of past generations suffering, even giving their lives, so future generations can have freedoms they didn't... even the right to a vote.
Indeed. The right to vote not the requirement to vote.

We all have a choice in case you don't realise it, which some people posting here clearly don't.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
dandarez said:
Attitudes and where we are today, eh?

And possibly more important, people of past generations suffering, even giving their lives, so future generations can have freedoms they didn't... even the right to a vote.
Indeed. The right to vote not the requirement to vote.

We all have a choice in case you don't realise it, which some people posting here clearly don't.
I would think everyone on here realises you have the choice. However the bit I struggle with (can't comment on others) is that you chose not to vote but whinge in perpetuity because those that chose to exercise their rights didn't vote to your liking? Can you not see how pathetic that seems?

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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alfie2244 said:
I would think everyone on here realises you have the choice. However the bit I struggle with (can't comment on others) is that you chose not to vote but whinge in perpetuity because those that chose to exercise their rights didn't vote to your liking?
Except I haven't.

But we have had this discussion before so no point in repeating it.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
alfie2244 said:
I would think everyone on here realises you have the choice. However the bit I struggle with (can't comment on others) is that you chose not to vote but whinge in perpetuity because those that chose to exercise their rights didn't vote to your liking?
Except I haven't.

But we have had this discussion before so no point in repeating it.
Oh go on don't be a spoilsport.....I have no intention of researching all your posts but, as don'tbesilly states, simply supporting ///ajd is frankly ludicrous and unbelievable beyond words.

"No one comes close to his odious, snidey, sneery, disgraceful, shameful insults aimed at leave voters, your support of his insults makes you as bad as him, I'm amazed you can align yourself with his way of thinking."








Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

104 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Stickyfinger said:
or a cheep grammar checking.....talking of sad
And it's this sort of attitude that has got us where we are today. Parents and teachers not willing to correct children because it might hurt their delicate little feelings.

But I digress .....
You are neither his parent or teacher you presumptuous prig.......

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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alfie2244 said:
Oh go on don't be a spoilsport.....I have no intention of researching all your posts but, as don'tbesilly states, simply supporting ///ajd is frankly ludicrous and unbelievable beyond words.

"No one comes close to his odious, snidey, sneery, disgraceful, shameful insults aimed at leave voters, your support of his insults makes you as bad as him, I'm amazed you can align yourself with his way of thinking."
I supported the comment by ajd that often leavers posting eventually turn hostile and start throwing insults.

I do not agree with everything he writes, but much is not without merit on the possible outcome of brexit. He firmly believes it will be bad for the UK as don4l and others believe it will be good.

All are entitled to their opinion without being abused because of it.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
I supported the comment by ajd that often leavers posting eventually turn hostile and start throwing insults.

I do not agree with everything he writes, but much is not without merit on the possible outcome of brexit. He firmly believes it will be bad for the UK as don4l and others believe it will be good.

All are entitled to their opinion without being abused because of it.
Your opinions are as worthless as your wasted vote. Troll.

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

104 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
I supported the comment by ajd that often leavers postings will eventually turn hostile and that they will also start throwing insults.
basic

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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bmw535i said:
Your opinions are as worthless as your wasted vote. Troll.
Ah, the 'all animals' mentality again I see.

craigjm

17,912 posts

199 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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Gentlemen, please, can we get back to a civil debate and kicking around the potential solutions we are in. Throwing insult at each other is tiring.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
I supported the comment by ajd that often leavers posting eventually turn hostile and start throwing insults.
Given his postings, do you genuinely believe leavers turning hostile and throwing insults at your new found friend are totally unwarranted / unjustified? You are either stupid or desperate for friends if you do IMO.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Ah, the 'all animals' mentality again I see.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-eu-referendum-remain-voters-2016-9

You seem to have "abstainers anguish". Bet you feel a right tool - I suppose your only avenue to vent this frustration is on here by allying yourself with other embittered trolls.

It's most unbecoming, but altogether amusing.
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