Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

[PurpleMoonlight]

Einion Yrth said:

I think he's getting a little tired of the whole "guilt by association" schtick. He's probably not alone.

With respect, that's his problem misinterpreting what I have written.

[anonymous-user]

PurpleMoonlight said:

With respect, that's his problem misinterpreting what I have written.

Tour inability to recognise your own foolishness is laughable

[PurpleMoonlight]

Einion Yrth said:

Or, alternately, why are we spending so little learning about the universe we live in, and so much on new and more exciting ways to kill each other?

Yes that's a valid point too. But the spending on arms won't reduce until the planet unites.

[PurpleMoonlight]

bmw535i said:

Tour inability to recognise your own foolishness is laughable

There is nothing to recognise. There is no link between mentioning the National Front and accusing a poster of being a member of it.

Some people just see conspiracies everywhere.

Or perhaps it's an effort to shut me down? ......

[anonymous-user]

Shall we look at wine? Lets.

The tariff rate under WTO rules set by the EU is 32%. If we hard Brexit then France can kiss goodbye to selling its wines in the UK at favourable rates compared to the rest of the world producers.

Have a read of this USA department of agriculture document on the wine industry relating to the UK, France is going to be very hard hit if this report is correct. http://gain.fas.usda.gov/Recent%20GAIN%20Publicati...

A particularly important extract from this document states

"The UK is a key market for the global wine trade, particularly in terms of sales value. International Wine & Spirit Research (IWSR) predicts that by 2018, the top still wine markets by value will be the U.S. and UK, worth USD 33 billion and USD 26 billion respectively."

"The UK wine market is fiercely competitive and mostly price-focused. Most opportunities for U.S. wine are to be found with importers who service the high-end independent stores and the less price-conscious foodservice sector."

If the UK chose to set its WTO rate for wine at 0%, the USA sourced wine just got 32% cheaper, no longer will USA wine (or New Zealand wine which is amazing) be the reserve of the high-end independent store. You think the USA producers are going to let this opportunity go lightly? $26 Billion is a lot of money to chase for just the one industry.

Now imagine the other industries that sell to the UK we could get better deals from.

Once the remainers open their eyes to the possibilities being out of the EU offers, maybe they will start to feel a bit better about the future? Or is that too much to ask?

[anonymous-user]

PurpleMoonlight said:

There is nothing to recognise. There is no link between mentioning the National Front and accusing a poster of being a member of it.

Some people just see conspiracies everywhere.

Or perhaps it's an effort to shut me down? ......

[Einion Yrth]

jsf said:

Once the remainers open their eyes to the possibilities being out of the EU offers, maybe they will start to feel a bit better about the future? Or is that too much to ask?

I expect it is, yes.

[FiF]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Einion Yrth said:

I think he's getting a little tired of the whole "guilt by association" schtick. He's probably not alone.

With respect, that's his problem misinterpreting what I have written.

There was no misinterpretation, your inability to understand why what you wrote is not helpful and is actually inflammatory speaks volumes.

Yes I am tired of this constant inference of guilt by association, you are not the only guilty party. I suspect am not alone in despising this tiresome tactic.

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

There was no misinterpretation, your inability to understand why what you wrote is not helpful and is actually inflammatory speaks volumes.

Yes I am tired of this constant inference of guilt by association, you are not the only guilty party. I suspect am not alone in despising this tiresome tactic.

It is very dull. I don't get why they do it other than the joy of trolling maybe?

[Big Al.]

bmw535i said:

Precisely! please get this thread back on topic or it will be closed.

TYIA

[PurpleMoonlight]

jsf said:

Shall we look at wine? Lets.

The tariff rate under WTO rules set by the EU is 32%. If we hard Brexit then France can kiss goodbye to selling its wines in the UK at favourable rates compared to the rest of the world producers.

Have a read of this USA department of agriculture document on the wine industry relating to the UK, France is going to be very hard hit if this report is correct. http://gain.fas.usda.gov/Recent%20GAIN%20Publicati...

A particularly important extract from this document states

"The UK is a key market for the global wine trade, particularly in terms of sales value. International Wine & Spirit Research (IWSR) predicts that by 2018, the top still wine markets by value will be the U.S. and UK, worth USD 33 billion and USD 26 billion respectively."

"The UK wine market is fiercely competitive and mostly price-focused. Most opportunities for U.S. wine are to be found with importers who service the high-end independent stores and the less price-conscious foodservice sector."

If the UK chose to set its WTO rate for wine at 0%, the USA sourced wine just got 32% cheaper, no longer will USA wine (or New Zealand wine which is amazing) be the reserve of the high-end independent store. You think the USA producers are going to let this opportunity go lightly? $26 Billion is a lot of money to chase for just the one industry.

Now imagine the other industries that sell to the UK we could get better deals from.

Once the remainers open their eyes to the possibilities being out of the EU offers, maybe they will start to feel a bit better about the future? Or is that too much to ask?

But hang on a minute.

The government currently gets that 32% tariff paid for by the consumer. While many wine drinkers will no doubt be overjoyed at the prospect of cheaper plonk, what about the exchequer? How much are they going to loose?

And lets not forget that our wine exports to the EU will become 32% dearer. Will any vineyards go bust as a result?

This is the trouble with brexit, people need to think of the consequences of the action and not just the headline benefit.

Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Saturday 1st October 18:42

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

Shall we look at wine? Lets.

The tariff rate under WTO rules set by the EU is 32%. If we hard Brexit then France can kiss goodbye to selling its wines in the UK at favourable rates compared to the rest of the world producers.

Have a read of this USA department of agriculture document on the wine industry relating to the UK, France is going to be very hard hit if this report is correct. http://gain.fas.usda.gov/Recent%20GAIN%20Publicati...

A particularly important extract from this document states

"The UK is a key market for the global wine trade, particularly in terms of sales value. International Wine & Spirit Research (IWSR) predicts that by 2018, the top still wine markets by value will be the U.S. and UK, worth USD 33 billion and USD 26 billion respectively."

"The UK wine market is fiercely competitive and mostly price-focused. Most opportunities for U.S. wine are to be found with importers who service the high-end independent stores and the less price-conscious foodservice sector."

If the UK chose to set its WTO rate for wine at 0%, the USA sourced wine just got 32% cheaper, no longer will USA wine (or New Zealand wine which is amazing) be the reserve of the high-end independent store. You think the USA producers are going to let this opportunity go lightly? $26 Billion is a lot of money to chase for just the one industry.

Now imagine the other industries that sell to the UK we could get better deals from.

Once the remainers open their eyes to the possibilities being out of the EU offers, maybe they will start to feel a bit better about the future? Or is that too much to ask?

I'm sure countries will be lining up to sell to us, why wouldn't they when we are offering tariffs free trade. The question is how will it work if they don't offer tariff free to our exports?

The following gives an idea of what could happen.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6LVNpfES8k

[anonymous-user]

PurpleMoonlight said:

When I was young boy, and being a big Star Trek fan I wondered when we would progress to a world government. I was 10 when entered the EEC and thought that was a good thing as it was progressing towards a world government.

It seems the world is now further from that than ever. I find that kind of sad.

I was thinking the other day, when listening about that space craft crashing into the comet, that we, as people on this planet, have all our priorities wrong. Why are we spending billions on researching the origin of the universe etc when there are people without clean water to drink and enough food to eat.

Lovely idea, but sadly ignores Human Nature and history. Like a lot of our ideas from our childhood, when we grow up we realise the world is a complex place and childish thoughts have to be put away.

With regards to scientific research and the space program, one of the reasons we spend so much in this field is for the technology that comes as a result of this endeavour. For example the transistor, which lead to the modern silicone chip and the computer age came from the space program, as did Teflon. Solar panel technology has also been developed via the space program..

[Einion Yrth]

jsf said:

With regards to scientific research and the space program, one of the reasons we spend so much in this field is for the technology that comes as a result of this endeavour. For example the transistor, which lead to the modern silicone chip and the computer age came from the space program,

Shockley's invention of the transistor predates the space race by the best part of a decade, at a time when scientific and engineering research was moving at some pace. Silicon (silicone is used to build fake tits) integrated circuits are a development of the semiconductor revolution arguably started by Shockley et al, that have really only reached their current state after the space race.

jsf said:

as did Teflon. Solar panel technology has also been developed via the space program..

PTFE (Teflon) was discovered in 1938.

I'm a supporter of space research, but these canards do not aid us.

[alock]

PurpleMoonlight said:

But hang on a minute.

The government currently gets that 32% tariff paid for by the consumer. While many wine drinkers will no doubt be overjoyed at the prospect of cheaper plonk, what about the exchequer? How much are they going to loose?

And lets not forget that our wine exports to the EU will become 32% dearer. Will any vineyards go bust as a result?

This is the trouble with brexit, people need to think of the consequences of the action and not just the headline benefit.

Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Saturday 1st October 18:42

So high tariffs are bad and low tariffs are bad. But every single existing EU tariff is currently at the perfect level?

[davepoth]

PurpleMoonlight said:

But hang on a minute.

The government currently gets that 32% tariff paid for by the consumer. While many wine drinkers will no doubt be overjoyed at the prospect of cheaper plonk, what about the exchequer? How much are they going to loose?

And lets not forget that our wine exports to the EU will become 32% dearer. Will any vineyards go bust as a result?

This is the trouble with brexit, people need to think of the consequences of the action and not just the headline benefit.

Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Saturday 1st October 18:42

That tariff is set (EU wide remember) so that French vineyards can operate profitably in the face of competition from South America and Australia. It's not really about money.

What will happen is that British vineyards who make sparkling white wine will be allowed to call it "English Champagne" and will make a killing on the home market as a result.

[s2art]

PurpleMoonlight said:

But hang on a minute.

The government currently gets that 32% tariff paid for by the consumer. While many wine drinkers will no doubt be overjoyed at the prospect of cheaper plonk, what about the exchequer? How much are they going to loose?

Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Saturday 1st October 18:42

Not much as the bulk of the wine sold in the UK comes from the EU tariff free. We could set our tariff at say 10% and rake in more for the exchequer than we do now.

[PurpleMoonlight]

alock said:

So high tariffs are bad and low tariffs are bad. But every single existing EU tariff is currently at the perfect level?

Of course not.

The point is we have a system now.

We will have the opportunity to change that system.

In doing so, everyone involved in the product the possible change affects needs to be considered and only then can it be rationally decided to decrease the tariff, leave it the same or indeed increase it.

Extend this to all the tariffs under WTO. It's a mammoth task.

Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Saturday 1st October 19:12

[Einion Yrth]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Extend this to all the tariffs under WTO. It's a mammoth task.

Best stop whining and get on with it then.

[don4l]

PurpleMoonlight said:

don'tbesilly said:

Maybe you should of thought about that when you decided NOT to vote.

If compensation is a consideration, you excluded yourself from any payment when you DIDN'T vote.

You want me to give consideration and compassion to Leave voters because they surprisingly lost, you who DIDN'T vote deserve neither.

Should have, not should of.

Hang on a second...

Is it true that you didn't vote?



That's cheered me up.