Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

[confused_buyer]

Mrr T said:

You say the EU (I assume you mean the commission) did not get authority, but the commission follows the wish of the council.

They did, but is was also the wish of the Commission and the Parliament. They could have pointed out the flaws but, of course, they didn't. Economists who did were sidelined and told if they spoke out they'd never get any more EU work.

It was a collective decision to ignore the facts and press on with something because of political beliefs which ignored their own rules they'd just made. Millions of people have paid the price.

I have no doubt that had they not pressed ahead with this, Europe, the EU and many member countries would not be in the pickle they are in and the UK would almost certainly not be about to leave. In that respect they have only themselves to blame and need to take the responsibility.

[911gary]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Had the majority of voters done some research into the UK`s relationship with the EEC/EU it is entirely likely that the vote to leave the EU would have been even greater in the referendum.
The voter turn out for the referendum was cross party, and the greatest in recent history so we can be as sure as possible it was representative of the will of the majority of the UK.

I agree and so it must be.

[SilverSixer]

911gary said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Had the majority of voters done some research into the UK`s relationship with the EEC/EU it is entirely likely that the vote to leave the EU would have been even greater in the referendum.
The voter turn out for the referendum was cross party, and the greatest in recent history so we can be as sure as possible it was representative of the will of the majority of the UK.

I agree and so it must be.

It is quite staggering to watch unsubstantiated assertion be presented as fact, as the 'winning' side seek to write history in their image.

Quite the spectacle.

PPP's post here is, quite easily, one of the most ludicrous things I've seen posted in this thread, and that takes some doing.

[Stickyfinger]

Nick Clegg on Daily Politics....

windge windge, try to be clever (fail), windge, windge....on and on and on

half quality insurance sales man

[alfie2244]

Stickyfinger said:

Nick Clegg on Daily Politics....

windge windge, try to be clever (fail), windge, windge....on and on and on

half quality insurance sales man

Did you see how many clips they put up showing "leaving the single market" was discussed contrary to his whingeing?..........he's a complete and utter failure and yet still gets on these programs!!

[davepoth]

One little crack seems to have opened up:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-finla...

"Finland wants security cooperation to be part of Brexit talks"

Which roughly translates as

"Finland just realised how rubbish the EU army will be"

[don'tbesilly]

alfie2244 said:

Stickyfinger said:

Nick Clegg on Daily Politics....

windge windge, try to be clever (fail), windge, windge....on and on and on

half quality insurance sales man

Did you see how many clips they put up showing "leaving the single market" was discussed contrary to his whingeing?..........he's a complete and utter failure and yet still gets on these programs!!

It gets him out of the house, I'd imagine doing the housework every day gets quite monotonous, although he's got cock all else to do, apart from......................whinge like a biatch!

[SilverSixer]

don'tbesilly said:

alfie2244 said:

Stickyfinger said:

Nick Clegg on Daily Politics....

windge windge, try to be clever (fail), windge, windge....on and on and on

half quality insurance sales man

Did you see how many clips they put up showing "leaving the single market" was discussed contrary to his whingeing?..........he's a complete and utter failure and yet still gets on these programs!!

It gets him out of the house, I'd imagine doing the housework every day gets quite monotonous, although he's got cock all else to do, apart from......................whinge like a biatch!

Other than he's still an elected MP of course. We are not talking Ed Balls levels of failure here.

[confused_buyer]

Anything which gets Paddy Ashdown off the TV is OK by me and if it means we have to have Nick Clegg as BBC default "will come on as nothing else to do" person instead so be it!

[wiggy001]

SilverSixer said:

It is quite staggering to watch unsubstantiated assertion be presented as fact, as the 'winning' side seek to write history in their image.

Quite the spectacle.

PPP's post here is, quite easily, one of the most ludicrous things I've seen posted in this thread, and that takes some doing.

I don't usually post on here because, well, it's pretty pointless. But posts such as the above add nothing to the debate and merely explain (to me at least) why the vote went the way it did.

SilverSixer - did you actually read PPP's post, digest its meaning, think about it and come to that conclusion? Or were you angrily typing your reply before his post had finished refreshing in your browser?

I can't say whether PPP is right or not, but there's some logic in that post. I know or know of a lot of people that voted to remain. And they voted that way not because they thought the EU was great. And not because it is less bad than leaving. They voted that way because they didn't like the language and tone of parts of the leave campaign.

So they didn't vote to remain based on fact and logic. They voted on a dislike for the other side, regardless of the facts. Had they looked beyond the personalities and "that" nazi poster, they may have discovered that they really didn't like the EU and what it stands for. And they may have voted to leave.

Is that really so out there as to be the most ludicrous thing you've seen posted on this thread?

[simes43]

wiggy001 said:

SilverSixer said:

It is quite staggering to watch unsubstantiated assertion be presented as fact, as the 'winning' side seek to write history in their image.

Quite the spectacle.

PPP's post here is, quite easily, one of the most ludicrous things I've seen posted in this thread, and that takes some doing.

I don't usually post on here because, well, it's pretty pointless. But posts such as the above add nothing to the debate and merely explain (to me at least) why the vote went the way it did.

SilverSixer - did you actually read PPP's post, digest its meaning, think about it and come to that conclusion? Or were you angrily typing your reply before his post had finished refreshing in your browser?

I can't say whether PPP is right or not, but there's some logic in that post. I know or know of a lot of people that voted to remain. And they voted that way not because they thought the EU was great. And not because it is less bad than leaving. They voted that way because they didn't like the language and tone of parts of the leave campaign.

So they didn't vote to remain based on fact and logic. They voted on a dislike for the other side, regardless of the facts. Had they looked beyond the personalities and "that" nazi poster, they may have discovered that they really didn't like the EU and what it stands for. And they may have voted to leave.

Is that really so out there as to be the most ludicrous thing you've seen posted on this thread?

Spot on. When you add the apocalyptic collective's official chants and the completely understandable fear of the unknown that was felt by so many, I am still surprised that Remain didn't shade it.

[SilverSixer]

PPP was saying that Remain voters were so poorly informed and had failed to research the situation so badly that the Leave margin of win was artificially low.

This is so ludicrous because it is a simple unsubstabtiated assertion which could easily be made in the other direction (i.e. if Leave voters had done some research in to the real relationship between the UK and the EU then Remain would have won - and saying such a thing would bring out condemnation by the bucket on here).

It's all part of the new narrative of belief from the right that not only did Leave win but that they were right and that history will now be written in such a way, and that all other views are deluded and poorly informed.

It's preposterous. It should be questioned wherever it is written/said.

[FiF]

simes43 said:

wiggy001 said:

SilverSixer said:

It is quite staggering to watch unsubstantiated assertion be presented as fact, as the 'winning' side seek to write history in their image.

Quite the spectacle.

PPP's post here is, quite easily, one of the most ludicrous things I've seen posted in this thread, and that takes some doing.

I don't usually post on here because, well, it's pretty pointless. But posts such as the above add nothing to the debate and merely explain (to me at least) why the vote went the way it did.

SilverSixer - did you actually read PPP's post, digest its meaning, think about it and come to that conclusion? Or were you angrily typing your reply before his post had finished refreshing in your browser?

I can't say whether PPP is right or not, but there's some logic in that post. I know or know of a lot of people that voted to remain. And they voted that way not because they thought the EU was great. And not because it is less bad than leaving. They voted that way because they didn't like the language and tone of parts of the leave campaign.

So they didn't vote to remain based on fact and logic. They voted on a dislike for the other side, regardless of the facts. Had they looked beyond the personalities and "that" nazi poster, they may have discovered that they really didn't like the EU and what it stands for. And they may have voted to leave.

Is that really so out there as to be the most ludicrous thing you've seen posted on this thread?

Spot on. When you add the apocalyptic collective's official chants and the completely understandable fear of the unknown that was felt by so many, I am still surprised that Remain didn't shade it.

Correct, and we're STILL in this crazy tribalistic situation where regardless of the content of what someone says the other side reckons they are totally wrong just because it's the other side. Turns folk off and they stop listening, which comment goes both ways.

[FiF]

davepoth said:

One little crack seems to have opened up:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-finla...

"Finland wants security cooperation to be part of Brexit talks"

Which roughly translates as

"Finland just realised how rubbish the EU army will be"

There's certainly some noises being made from both Norway and Iceland that sound positive for a general cooperation post Brexit. It's something touched on in Flexcit, basically an alliance of non EU nations.

[SilverSixer]

FiF said:

davepoth said:

One little crack seems to have opened up:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-finla...

"Finland wants security cooperation to be part of Brexit talks"

Which roughly translates as

"Finland just realised how rubbish the EU army will be"

There's certainly some noises being made from both Norway and Iceland that sound positive for a general cooperation post Brexit. It's something touched on in Flexcit, basically an alliance of non EU nations.

Which we'll be having a vote on to 'Leave' in 20 years time in order to 'take back control' from Reykjavik and liberate ourselves to do our own trade deals and stop all the Icelanders coming over here and herding our reindeer...........

[turbobloke]

SilverSixer said:

FiF said:

davepoth said:

One little crack seems to have opened up:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-finla...

"Finland wants security cooperation to be part of Brexit talks"

Which roughly translates as

"Finland just realised how rubbish the EU army will be"

There's certainly some noises being made from both Norway and Iceland that sound positive for a general cooperation post Brexit. It's something touched on in Flexcit, basically an alliance of non EU nations.

Which we'll be having a vote on to 'Leave' in 20 years time in order to 'take back control' from Reykjavik and liberate ourselves to do our own trade deals and stop all the Icelanders coming over here and herding our reindeer...........

Hardly. Trade wasn't the basis for Leaving, it was the basis for joining. The EU's control freakery linked to a federalist agenda was a main part of the problem and with Iceland pulling out of an application to join the EU very recently, their appetite for being told what to do by non-directly elected incompetent has-beens looks about the same as ours.

[barryrs]

SilverSixer said:

Which we'll be having a vote on to 'Leave' in 20 years time in order to 'take back control' from Reykjavik and liberate ourselves to do our own trade deals and stop all the Icelanders coming over here and herding our reindeer...........

Its possible as commercial imports of most animals and products of animal origin are covered by EU legislation, so once we leave the flood gates of reindeer imports will probably open

[SilverSixer]

Trade may well not have been the basis for Leave voters but it's bloody well going to be the second victim. The first victim, the truth, has long since been pushing up daisies.

[don4l]

SilverSixer said:

Trade may well not have been the basis for Leave voters but it's bloody well going to be the second victim. The first victim, the truth, has long since been pushing up daisies.

The stock markets disagree with you.

Just like 17M disagreed with you on June 23rd.

Could I ask a simple question?


What do you think you will achieve by all this pointless whinging?

[SilverSixer]

don4l said:

SilverSixer said:

Trade may well not have been the basis for Leave voters but it's bloody well going to be the second victim. The first victim, the truth, has long since been pushing up daisies.

The stock markets disagree with you.

Just like 17M disagreed with you on June 23rd.

Could I ask a simple question?


What do you think you will achieve by all this pointless whinging?

The stock markets? Jesus, not again. Surely you've worked that one out by now.

Achieve? I don't expect to achieve anything. It's a discussion forum, not an achievement forum.