Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

[don'tbesilly]

///ajd said:

b2hbm said:

///ajd said:

Well a couple have condemned the plank attack. That's good.

Quite a few would rather attack me. Interesting.

The ramp up in anti-foreigner sentiment rose throughtout the campaign.
The fires were well stoked by May - look at this from Farage in April - "take it to the enemy"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Now come on, if you want people to treat and debate with you like an adult then act like one. (I suppose you'll claim that's "another attack" ? )

The incident you posted was from before the referendum and let's face it, you only linked there because you read the first few lines and the article date of 21st October, so you jumped in thinking it was recent. It was some drunken thug who went on the rampage and attacked a Spanish couple. Pretty awful we'd all agree but nothing at all to do with this topic and absolutely zero linkage to the EU referendum.

Stop clutching at straws. We're not going to U-turn on the basis of a nutter with a plank of wood, nor any other "racist" incidents. It's just not going to happen, so why not keep your posts to potential reasons for U-turns ? All you do by insinuating that by voting to leave people were voting as racists is to get everyone's back up and ultimately that stifles debate.

This thread is entitled "could the UK U-turn on the Referendum Result". In your recent posts you have tried to follow a racist agenda whilst attempting to portray yourself as a moral compass for integration within the UK. Racism has nothing to do with the title of this thread. If you want to talk about racism in this country, then start another thread with that as the headline topic.

My intent has never been that label all brexiteers as racist.

Never.

I've tried to discuss the links between feelings about immigration and the vote.

There are clear links.

My own view is that the downsides of immigration have been exaggerated by certain actors and fuelled by the media to the point where its seen as a massive problem.

But as you all keep saying, you're not racists or against foreigners.

Which leads to my questions about how immigration has directly affected those intent on control. I got some answers but not many, and many seemed 3rd hand.

I still have the feeling that much of the feeling is one created by Farage and the media rather than a genuine problem worth threatening our economy. Sure you can dredge up stories from Boston, but are we not really looking at the effects of economic downturn in any case? Is blaming immigrants and cutting their numbers going to boost the economy in Boston? I suspect the opposite is the case.

My point therefore is not to label brexiteers as racists - but to ask a question. Are the immigration concerns a valid reason (based on hard justified evidence) to define the crucial future economic direction of our country (notably for FMoL and the SM)?

I'm just not convinced they are.

Edited by ///ajd on Monday 24th October 09:36

You might not be convinced, but it's the 24th October today, and the people who voted, and in particular those who were convinced that immigration was/is a valid concern on the 23rd June, some 4 months ago,in part contributed to the number of votes that proved instrumental in the UK voting to leave the EU.

Carry on with the festering obsession with immigration as you undoubtedly will, but it won't make any difference, the UK will still leave the EU.

[///ajd]

768 said:

The immigration disaster is just a symptom of the cause, which very much is a reason to define a future economic direction of the country.

Can you expand on that 'cause'?

Are you referring to us/them salaries?

PS I phrased the question perfectly clearly in the post above for those who are still dismissive.

[alfie2244]

///ajd said:

768 said:

The immigration disaster is just a symptom of the cause, which very much is a reason to define a future economic direction of the country.

Can you expand on that 'cause'?

Are you referring to us/them salaries?

PS I phrased the question perfectly clearly in the post above for those who are still dismissive.

[768]

We're better off having control moved back to the UK, because the EU fk everything up, to our cost.

[Stickyfinger]

///ajd said:

768 said:

The immigration disaster is just a symptom of the cause, which very much is a reason to define a future economic direction of the country.

Can you expand on that 'cause'?

Are you referring to us/them salaries?

PS I phrased the question perfectly clearly in the post above for those who are still dismissive.

look back in the thread for the answer given before/and before/ and before/ and before

[anonymous-user]

alfie2244 said:

///ajd said:

768 said:

The immigration disaster is just a symptom of the cause, which very much is a reason to define a future economic direction of the country.

Can you expand on that 'cause'?

Are you referring to us/them salaries?

PS I phrased the question perfectly clearly in the post above for those who are still dismissive.

[///ajd]

768 said:

We're better off having control moved back to the UK, because the EU fk everything up, to our cost.

Ah I see, I thought you were referring to something else.

For you, in what way is immigration a disaster? Has it affected you personally? What has made you think its a disaster?

(cue posters intolerant of my questions telling you not to tell me, that I should not ask the question.)

[///ajd]

bmw535i said:

alfie2244 said:

///ajd said:

768 said:

The immigration disaster is just a symptom of the cause, which very much is a reason to define a future economic direction of the country.

Can you expand on that 'cause'?

Are you referring to us/them salaries?

PS I phrased the question perfectly clearly in the post above for those who are still dismissive.

I thought you promised to ignore me Alfie?

Can't even get that right

535i, relax I have no expectations of you whatsoever

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

I thought you promised to ignore me Alfie?

Can't even get that right

535i, relax I have no expectations of you whatsoever

Your trolling is dull mate.

[Sway]

///ajd said:

768 said:

We're better off having control moved back to the UK, because the EU fk everything up, to our cost.

Ah I see, I thought you were referring to something else.

For you, in what way is immigration a disaster? Has it affected you personally? What has made you think its a disaster?

(cue posters intolerant of my questions telling you not to tell me, that I should not ask the question.)

Two examples:

An absolute clear leader in specific engineering field, having to go back to China and the employer having to spend 10s or thousands annually to ensure secure mechanisms to enable her to support the only European company in the field to more than double it's turnover in a single year whilst people with zero skills who happen to be from a nearby country are given free rein to live and work here.

The absolute destruction of pay and conditions at two other clients - both using large numbers of agency workers. The reason for this? Within 48 hours a coach can arrive from Poland with another 50 odd people willing to accept those terms... Need more? A second or third coach can be delivered at the same time. The village these staff live in has seen massive rent increases due to the huge uplift in demand, and the quality of that rented housing has declined in conjunction as 'they don't complain'.

[don'tbesilly]

///ajd said:

bmw535i said:

alfie2244 said:

///ajd said:

768 said:

The immigration disaster is just a symptom of the cause, which very much is a reason to define a future economic direction of the country.

Can you expand on that 'cause'?

Are you referring to us/them salaries?

PS I phrased the question perfectly clearly in the post above for those who are still dismissive.

I thought you promised to ignore me Alfie?

Can't even get that right

535i, relax I have no expectations of you whatsoever

It's over, this was the result on the 24th June, 4 months ago today, questioning voters 4 months later won't change it.

[Efbe]

Sway said:

Two examples:

An absolute clear leader in specific engineering field, having to go back to China and the employer having to spend 10s or thousands annually to ensure secure mechanisms to enable her to support the only European company in the field to more than double it's turnover in a single year whilst people with zero skills who happen to be from a nearby country are given free rein to live and work here.

The absolute destruction of pay and conditions at two other clients - both using large numbers of agency workers. The reason for this? Within 48 hours a coach can arrive from Poland with another 50 odd people willing to accept those terms... Need more? A second or third coach can be delivered at the same time. The village these staff live in has seen massive rent increases due to the huge uplift in demand, and the quality of that rented housing has declined in conjunction as 'they don't complain'.

Just on your second point, not denying that this happened, or is happening.

I'm pretty sure that I read the UK gvmt was the instigator for the terms of migration with Poland, and not the EU, as no other Eu country enabled this speedy access to unrestricted migration.

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

Ah I see, I thought you were referring to something else.

For you, in what way is immigration a disaster? Has it affected you personally? What has made you think its a disaster?

(cue posters intolerant of my questions telling you not to tell me, that I should not ask the question.)

You've had it answered many times, it's very boring to keep hearing you say it. This poster sums it up quite well.

[Sway]

Efbe said:

Sway said:

Two examples:

An absolute clear leader in specific engineering field, having to go back to China and the employer having to spend 10s or thousands annually to ensure secure mechanisms to enable her to support the only European company in the field to more than double it's turnover in a single year whilst people with zero skills who happen to be from a nearby country are given free rein to live and work here.

The absolute destruction of pay and conditions at two other clients - both using large numbers of agency workers. The reason for this? Within 48 hours a coach can arrive from Poland with another 50 odd people willing to accept those terms... Need more? A second or third coach can be delivered at the same time. The village these staff live in has seen massive rent increases due to the huge uplift in demand, and the quality of that rented housing has declined in conjunction as 'they don't complain'.

Just on your second point, not denying that this happened, or is happening.

I'm pretty sure that I read the UK gvmt was the instigator for the terms of migration with Poland, and not the EU, as no other Eu country enabled this speedy access to unrestricted migration.

Regardless of the speed (and I believe you're right, the Blair government decided there would be a tiny number so no need to fuss - that changed very quickly when Lithuania and the Czech Republic were becoming part of the club iirc), the end result was guaranteed as soon as nations with average wages less than a tenth of those in Western Europe, high levels of unemployment, etc., were accepted into the club under the same terms as those who started it. All that would have changed was the year/month those impacts started.

Ultimately, this is the crux of the issue with the Union - it's made up of parts with too many large scale differences. Hence the rules and conditions are worked on an average that doesn't suit anyone. If it had been kept as a trading and collaboration zone of fairly similar countries/cultures/economies, and they'd not gone down the route if shared currency, I'd probably be one of the strongest advocates for the Union...

[don4l]

bmw535i said:

You've had it answered many times, it's very boring to keep hearing you say it. This poster sums it up quite well.

Heartbreaking photo.
All those unfortunate 6 year old little girls.

[davepoth]

don4l said:

Heartbreaking photo.
All those unfortunate 6 year old little girls.

Careful, you'll give somebody an aneurism.

[anonymous-user]

davepoth said:

Careful, you'll give somebody an aneurism.

I doubt it, he'll slope off and then come back in a day or two with exactly the same rubbish

[///ajd]

don4l said:

bmw535i said:

You've had it answered many times, it's very boring to keep hearing you say it. This poster sums it up quite well.

Heartbreaking photo.
All those unfortunate 6 year old little girls.

Classy post 535i - I might have known Don couldn't resist.

Is that a channel 4 newsreader I see there Don?

Don't throw anything at the TV now will you.

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

don4l said:

bmw535i said:

You've had it answered many times, it's very boring to keep hearing you say it. This poster sums it up quite well.

Heartbreaking photo.
All those unfortunate 6 year old little girls.

Classy post 535i - I might have known Don couldn't resist.

Is that a channel 4 newsreader I see there Don?

Don't throw anything at the TV now will you.

I KNEW you wouldn't be able to resist

[don4l]

don'tbesilly said:

It's over, this was the result on the 24th June, 4 months ago today, questioning voters 4 months later won't change it.

Four whole months, eh?

Doesn't time fly when you are enjoying yourself.

Can anyone remember a better time to live in Britain? 1989 was quite good IIRC.

Unemployment is heading towards record lows.

GDP is heeading for record highs.

The stock markets are absolutely booming.

Leftie Cameron, is gone along with his £32Bn mate, Osborne.

[contented sigh]