Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

[Sylvaforever]

So word is gov to LOSE both court case and appeal Re Article 50....

Don't you just love it when a plan comes together........Bring it on.

[andymadmak]

Sylvaforever said:

So word is gov to LOSE both court case and appeal Re Article 50....

Don't you just love it when a plan comes together........Bring it on.

What plan would that be?

[FiF]

Is it the plan to drop corporation tax if the EU doesn't grow up?
Or the plan to point out that if the EU forces WTO rules that 22 out of the 27 nations will be worse off?

That's from someone who really doesn't want WTO style exit.

[don'tbesilly]

So what name does Graham Norton use on PH?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/724642/Graham-Nor...

[davepoth]

[quote=Sylvaforever]So word is gov to LOSE both court case and appeal Re Article 50....

Don't you just love it when a plan comes together........Bring it on.

Any reference for that? Because no news source that Google News looks at has any reference to it.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&...

[don'tbesilly]

FiF said:

Is it the plan to drop corporation tax if the EU doesn't grow up?
Or the plan to point out that if the EU forces WTO rules that 22 out of the 27 nations will be worse off?

That's from someone who really doesn't want WTO style exit.

I think you'll end up with WTO whether you want it or not!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/724600/CETA-tr...

I don't know what benefit May & her team can see in waiting until March next year until invoking A50, if Canada can't crack a deal in seven years, the UK don't stand a dogs chance of doing similar in two years.

If we ping an email at the end of October and bring it forward 5 months, that's a lot of 350m's a week we can give to the NHS that much quicker

[don4l]

don'tbesilly said:

So what name does Graham Norton use on PH?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/724642/Graham-Nor...

Well, let's consider the evidence-

Slightly Camp
Economically illiterate
Questionable sense of humour


JawKnee Own up!

[don4l]

don'tbesilly said:

FiF said:

Is it the plan to drop corporation tax if the EU doesn't grow up?
Or the plan to point out that if the EU forces WTO rules that 22 out of the 27 nations will be worse off?

That's from someone who really doesn't want WTO style exit.

I think you'll end up with WTO whether you want it or not!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/724600/CETA-tr...

I don't know what benefit May & her team can see in waiting until March next year until invoking A50, if Canada can't crack a deal in seven years, the UK don't stand a dogs chance of doing similar in two years.

If we ping an email at the end of October and bring it forward 5 months, that's a lot of 350m's a week we can give to the NHS that much quicker

Initially, I felt that it would be easy to negotiate a deal, although we would have to adopt a very robust stance.

Recent events (TTIP ans CETD) have convinced me that there is genuinely no point in having negotiations.

If we do want a "deal", then I might just put it on the table, and tell them to take it, or leave it. No discussions at all.

Otherwise, I am completely relaxed by the Clean Break (WTO) option.

[FN2TypeR]

don4l said:

bmw535i said:

You've had it answered many times, it's very boring to keep hearing you say it. This poster sums it up quite well.

Heartbreaking photo.
All those unfortunate 6 year old little girls.

I wouldn't be surprised if those posters turned people away from voting leave rather than helping to convince them to do so tbh.

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

Is it the plan to drop corporation tax if the EU doesn't grow up?
Or the plan to point out that if the EU forces WTO rules that 22 out of the 27 nations will be worse off?

That's from someone who really doesn't want WTO style exit.

I thought the one thing the hard Brexit leavers agreed on was that there was no plan, nor was there a need for plan.

[anonymous-user]

FN2TypeR said:

don4l said:

bmw535i said:

You've had it answered many times, it's very boring to keep hearing you say it. This poster sums it up quite well.

Heartbreaking photo.
All those unfortunate 6 year old little girls.

I wouldn't be surprised if those posters turned people away from voting leave rather than helping to convince them to do so tbh.

Pretty irrelevant to even discuss the vote really.....

[768]

///ajd said:

768 said:

We're better off having control moved back to the UK, because the EU fk everything up, to our cost.

Ah I see, I thought you were referring to something else.

For you, in what way is immigration a disaster? Has it affected you personally? What has made you think its a disaster?

(cue posters intolerant of my questions telling you not to tell me, that I should not ask the question.)

Seriously, in what way is it a disaster? Have you seen the news in recent years? The dead bodies washing up in the Med while Merkel tells them all to keep coming?

I'm somewhat insulated from the effects of it because of where I live and costs being distributed across the country. Although I regularly have to travel to France as we have family there. Soon we'll have three children and air travel will probably no longer be a sensible option, but try showing your wife a video of vehicles being attacked at Calais and then suggesting driving!

However, I don't just form political opinions because of my own position. I'm against capital punishment but I don't expect to be convicted of a crime anyone would think might warrant it.

[FiF]

don4l said:

don'tbesilly said:

FiF said:

Is it the plan to drop corporation tax if the EU doesn't grow up?
Or the plan to point out that if the EU forces WTO rules that 22 out of the 27 nations will be worse off?

That's from someone who really doesn't want WTO style exit.

I think you'll end up with WTO whether you want it or not!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/724600/CETA-tr...

I don't know what benefit May & her team can see in waiting until March next year until invoking A50, if Canada can't crack a deal in seven years, the UK don't stand a dogs chance of doing similar in two years.

If we ping an email at the end of October and bring it forward 5 months, that's a lot of 350m's a week we can give to the NHS that much quicker

Initially, I felt that it would be easy to negotiate a deal, although we would have to adopt a very robust stance.

Recent events (TTIP ans CETD) have convinced me that there is genuinely no point in having negotiations.

If we do want a "deal", then I might just put it on the table, and tell them to take it, or leave it. No discussions at all.

Otherwise, I am completely relaxed by the Clean Break (WTO) option.

I still think there will be a large number of practical issues if we hope WTO. However events such as TTIP and the recent problems and comments by the Canadians has made me ever more sure that we made the right decision in June. Absolutely the right decision.

[don'tbesilly]

FN2TypeR said:

don4l said:

bmw535i said:

You've had it answered many times, it's very boring to keep hearing you say it. This poster sums it up quite well.

Heartbreaking photo.
All those unfortunate 6 year old little girls.

I wouldn't be surprised if those posters turned people away from voting leave rather than helping to convince them to do so tbh.

There are those that suggest and voice the opinion that Farage and his rhetoric drove more people to vote remain than leave.

Best keep that quiet though, some, specifically one individual would have a coronary at such a notion.

[FiF]

Greg66 said:

FiF said:

Is it the plan to drop corporation tax if the EU doesn't grow up?
Or the plan to point out that if the EU forces WTO rules that 22 out of the 27 nations will be worse off?

That's from someone who really doesn't want WTO style exit.

I thought the one thing the hard Brexit leavers agreed on was that there was no plan, nor was there a need for plan.

Dunno, not a hard Brexit Leaver, you'll have to ask them. Maybe the Government is now preparing a plan, that's their job, is it not? Pity they didn't do their job properly earlier in the game.

[don'tbesilly]

FiF said:

Greg66 said:

FiF said:

Is it the plan to drop corporation tax if the EU doesn't grow up?
Or the plan to point out that if the EU forces WTO rules that 22 out of the 27 nations will be worse off?

That's from someone who really doesn't want WTO style exit.

I thought the one thing the hard Brexit leavers agreed on was that there was no plan, nor was there a need for plan.

Dunno, not a hard Brexit Leaver, you'll have to ask them. Maybe the Government is now preparing a plan, that's their job, is it not? Pity they didn't do their job properly earlier in the game.

There was never a need to come up with a plan for something that was never going to happen..........Oh bugger!

[Jockman]

FiF said:

Is it the plan to drop corporation tax if the EU doesn't grow up?
Or the plan to point out that if the EU forces WTO rules that 22 out of the 27 nations will be worse off?

That's from someone who really doesn't want WTO style exit.

We have to be careful that the media does not dictate the T&Cs of a rather important event. Many EU countries will want an amicable relationship going forward. As should we.

[don4l]

Greg66 said:

I thought the one thing the hard Brexit leavers agreed on was that there was no plan, nor was there a need for plan.

There is a plan.

Theresa has explained it.
Iain Duncan-Smith has explained it.
David Davis has explained it.
I have explained it.

They have all said exactly the same thing, but many people cannot understand the message for some inexplicable reason.

The plan is incredibly simple. There are 2 steps.

March 1917 - Invoke article 50
March 2019 - Leave the EU, rejoin the WTO.

I'm not sure about the timing of step two. It could, of course, happen much quicker. Markets do not like uncertainty, as you know. Therefore, it would be much better to give a shorter notice period.

Does anyone know how long it takes to train Border Agency and HMRC staff? Have the job ads already appeared? I wouldn't know because I don't read the Guardian.

[768]

don4l said:

March 1917 - Invoke article 50

Interesting period to take the time machine back to for this.

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

Greg66 said:

I thought the one thing the hard Brexit leavers agreed on was that there was no plan, nor was there a need for plan.

There is a plan.

Theresa has explained it.
Iain Duncan-Smith has explained it.
David Davis has explained it.
I have explained it.

They have all said exactly the same thing, but many people cannot understand the message for some inexplicable reason.

The plan is incredibly simple. There are 2 steps.

March 1917 - Invoke article 50
March 2019 - Leave the EU, rejoin the WTO.

I'm not sure about the timing of step two. It could, of course, happen much quicker. Markets do not like uncertainty, as you know. Therefore, it would be much better to give a shorter notice period.

Does anyone know how long it takes to train Border Agency and HMRC staff? Have the job ads already appeared? I wouldn't know because I don't read the Guardian.

Doesn't matter what May + a few chancers & liars want. They will not be allowed to commit national & financial suicide.
There will be more twists & turns, common sense will prevail (Brexit will be watered down, to the liars dismay)