Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result

[dandarez]

Jimboka said:

don4l said:

Greg66 said:

I thought the one thing the hard Brexit leavers agreed on was that there was no plan, nor was there a need for plan.

There is a plan.

Theresa has explained it.
Iain Duncan-Smith has explained it.
David Davis has explained it.
I have explained it.

They have all said exactly the same thing, but many people cannot understand the message for some inexplicable reason.

The plan is incredibly simple. There are 2 steps.

March 1917 - Invoke article 50
March 2019 - Leave the EU, rejoin the WTO.

I'm not sure about the timing of step two. It could, of course, happen much quicker. Markets do not like uncertainty, as you know. Therefore, it would be much better to give a shorter notice period.

Does anyone know how long it takes to train Border Agency and HMRC staff? Have the job ads already appeared? I wouldn't know because I don't read the Guardian.

Doesn't matter what May + a few chancers & liars want. They will not be allowed to commit national & financial suicide.
There will be more twists & turns, common sense will prevail (Brexit will be watered down, to the liars dismay)

Christ, don't you ever give up?

PICK YOUR TOYS UP!!

[MG CHRIS]

Jimboka said:

don4l said:

Greg66 said:

I thought the one thing the hard Brexit leavers agreed on was that there was no plan, nor was there a need for plan.

There is a plan.

Theresa has explained it.
Iain Duncan-Smith has explained it.
David Davis has explained it.
I have explained it.

They have all said exactly the same thing, but many people cannot understand the message for some inexplicable reason.

The plan is incredibly simple. There are 2 steps.

March 1917 - Invoke article 50
March 2019 - Leave the EU, rejoin the WTO.

I'm not sure about the timing of step two. It could, of course, happen much quicker. Markets do not like uncertainty, as you know. Therefore, it would be much better to give a shorter notice period.

Does anyone know how long it takes to train Border Agency and HMRC staff? Have the job ads already appeared? I wouldn't know because I don't read the Guardian.

Doesn't matter what May + a few chancers & liars want. They will not be allowed to commit national & financial suicide.
There will be more twists & turns, common sense will prevail (Brexit will be watered down, to the liars dismay)

Must be a hard life being so negative all the time.

[anonymous-user]

Jimboka said:

Doesn't matter what May + a few chancers & liars want. They will not be allowed to commit national & financial suicide.
There will be more twists & turns, common sense will prevail (Brexit will be watered down, to the liars dismay)

"National suicide"

[FiF]

Sweden gets it

How longer until more see sense in the amicable way forward. Who gives a toss what idiots like Juncker think, common sense will prevail.

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

Greg66 said:

FiF said:

Is it the plan to drop corporation tax if the EU doesn't grow up?
Or the plan to point out that if the EU forces WTO rules that 22 out of the 27 nations will be worse off?

That's from someone who really doesn't want WTO style exit.

I thought the one thing the hard Brexit leavers agreed on was that there was no plan, nor was there a need for plan.

Dunno, not a hard Brexit Leaver, you'll have to ask them.

No sooner said than done.

don4l said:

There is a plan.

Theresa has explained it.
Iain Duncan-Smith has explained it.
David Davis has explained it.
I have explained it.

They have all said exactly the same thing, but many people cannot understand the message for some inexplicable reason.

The plan is incredibly simple. There are 2 steps.

March 1917 - Invoke article 50
March 2019 - Leave the EU, rejoin the WTO.

I'm not sure about the timing of step two. It could, of course, happen much quicker. Markets do not like uncertainty, as you know. Therefore, it would be much better to give a shorter notice period.

Does anyone know how long it takes to train Border Agency and HMRC staff? Have the job ads already appeared? I wouldn't know because I don't read the Guardian.

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

Sweden gets it

How longer until more see sense in the amicable way forward. Who gives a toss what idiots like Juncker think, common sense will prevail.

I have heard it often repeated that the best deal is the one that leaves both sides the least pissed off.

Brexit, but very soft, fits that bill.

[London424]

FiF said:

Sweden gets it

How longer until more see sense in the amicable way forward. Who gives a toss what idiots like Juncker think, common sense will prevail.

Im sure Sweden will be grateful of their EU membership to spread the pain as their economy seems to be taking a bit of a hammering. That can't be correct, I've read on here that the UK is a pretty meaningless economy that doesn't have much influence.

[Borghetto]

London424 said:

Im sure Sweden will be grateful of their EU membership to spread the pain as their economy seems to be taking a bit of a hammering. That can't be correct, I've read on here that the UK is a pretty meaningless economy that doesn't have much influence.

It doesn't have much influence on some countries, particularly the eastern eu countries. But for others it is very important. I don't doubt the eu may choose to play hardball, but the law of unintended consequences,will probably mean the UK will be forced to look elsewhere for its growth. The problem for the eu27 is that once you've lost your relationship with the UK, getting it back will be nigh on impossible - not exactly a win for anybody.

We keep on hearing on here that the Govt has no plan. This is hardly surprising when they didn't expect to win the referendum. Also what is the point of a plan when the other side bluntly refuses to negotiate until A50 is implemented. Our eu "partners" seem pretty clear that they wish to punish us - what use a plan in these circumstances. The Canadian fiasco on top of the US trade pact woes, in many ways underlines why the UK has to look beyond the eu for its future trade opportunities. There will of course be bumps in the road and for those who might lose their livelyhoods this is devastating, but let us be in no doubt the eu are about to shoot themselves in the foot for the sake of the project.

Germany have exploited the cheap currency to the fullest extent, but have no real wish to bail out the eu casualties - in many way the Germans are more a hostage to the euro than the med walking wounded. It doesn't take a genius to see the discontent building throughout southern Europe - good luck keeping the lid on that pressure cooker.

[don4l]

Greg66 said:

FiF said:

Greg66 said:

FiF said:

Is it the plan to drop corporation tax if the EU doesn't grow up?
Or the plan to point out that if the EU forces WTO rules that 22 out of the 27 nations will be worse off?

That's from someone who really doesn't want WTO style exit.

I thought the one thing the hard Brexit leavers agreed on was that there was no plan, nor was there a need for plan.

Dunno, not a hard Brexit Leaver, you'll have to ask them.

No sooner said than done.

don4l said:

There is a plan.

Theresa has explained it.
Iain Duncan-Smith has explained it.
David Davis has explained it.
I have explained it.

They have all said exactly the same thing, but many people cannot understand the message for some inexplicable reason.

The plan is incredibly simple. There are 2 steps.

March 1917 - Invoke article 50
March 2019 - Leave the EU, rejoin the WTO.

I'm not sure about the timing of step two. It could, of course, happen much quicker. Markets do not like uncertainty, as you know. Therefore, it would be much better to give a shorter notice period.

Does anyone know how long it takes to train Border Agency and HMRC staff? Have the job ads already appeared? I wouldn't know because I don't read the Guardian.

You are really going to struggle with the next 30 months.

I almost feel sorry for you.

[don4l]

bmw535i said:

Jimboka said:

Doesn't matter what May + a few chancers & liars want. They will not be allowed to commit national & financial suicide.
There will be more twists & turns, common sense will prevail (Brexit will be watered down, to the liars dismay)

"National suicide"

People rebuked me for using the term "Bedwetters".

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

bmw535i said:

Jimboka said:

Doesn't matter what May + a few chancers & liars want. They will not be allowed to commit national & financial suicide.
There will be more twists & turns, common sense will prevail (Brexit will be watered down, to the liars dismay)

"National suicide"

People rebuked me for using the term "Bedwetters".

We'll progress is being made. We've gone from "it definitely won't happen" to "watered down"

Isn't it funny how ajd just vanishes on a daily basis when his latest rubbish is outed as nonsense, to only then pop up the next day as if nothing has happened. Some people just have no shame or dignity.

[frankenstein12]

Borghetto said:

London424 said:

Im sure Sweden will be grateful of their EU membership to spread the pain as their economy seems to be taking a bit of a hammering. That can't be correct, I've read on here that the UK is a pretty meaningless economy that doesn't have much influence.

It doesn't have much influence on some countries, particularly the eastern eu countries. But for others it is very important. I don't doubt the eu may choose to play hardball, but the law of unintended consequences,will probably mean the UK will be forced to look elsewhere for its growth. The problem for the eu27 is that once you've lost your relationship with the UK, getting it back will be nigh on impossible - not exactly a win for anybody.

We keep on hearing on here that the Govt has no plan. This is hardly surprising when they didn't expect to win the referendum. Also what is the point of a plan when the other side bluntly refuses to negotiate until A50 is implemented. Our eu "partners" seem pretty clear that they wish to punish us - what use a plan in these circumstances. The Canadian fiasco on top of the US trade pact woes, in many ways underlines why the UK has to look beyond the eu for its future trade opportunities. There will of course be bumps in the road and for those who might lose their livelyhoods this is devastating, but let us be in no doubt the eu are about to shoot themselves in the foot for the sake of the project.

Germany have exploited the cheap currency to the fullest extent, but have no real wish to bail out the eu casualties - in many way the Germans are more a hostage to the euro than the med walking wounded. It doesn't take a genius to see the discontent building throughout southern Europe - good luck keeping the lid on that pressure cooker.

I agree with your assessment and it is what I have said from the getgo.

I would rather we stayed in the EU and it reformed however they will NEVER reform the EU. Their socialist policy cannot waiver and will collapse as almost every other socialist policy ever has.

As such leaving was our best bet. The best deal would be a restriction on movement but a retention on free market rule. This benefits all parties. Obviously it flies in the face of what the EU believes in but in the next three months some very very interesting things are going to happen.

Less than 20 days we have a new POTUS Trump or Hillary neither are popular. Shortly after we have numerous elections across the EU where right parties are expected to win power and some of whom are expected to start moving towards a vote on continued EU membership.

Hopefully the shakedown over the next three months will help the pound bounce back up as the US and EU money market wont look quite so safe.

The reality for the UK is we have various countries have said they would like free trade deals with us even some EU states which is good. EU member states have far more to lose than the UK from a Hard brexit.

As is being claimed in the press today we could halve corporation tax.
We could impose hefty tarriffs on EU imports which would be very bad for our EU trade partners as they are already struggling economically and having a loss in trade to the UK would not help them at all.

I really really hope I euro partner states show common sense and sit down and have a grown up discussion and agree an amicable split rather than doing what the EU government wants.

[FiF]

Greg66 said:

FiF said:

Sweden gets it

How longer until more see sense in the amicable way forward. Who gives a toss what idiots like Juncker think, common sense will prevail.

I have heard it often repeated that the best deal is the one that leaves both sides the least pissed off.

Brexit, but very soft, fits that bill.

Frankly what I would like to see, and there is hope for this, is that in the exit process the EU shows itself up for what it is, and I'm referring to the EU technocrats and not the nations. The various national interests see that the way forward is an amicable solution and we agree a soft(ish) Brexit.

Other nations, and I think the Nordic are the favourites here, maybe Netherlands too, see the EU Project, as envisioned and still seen as the way forward by Juncker et al, is essentially either a busted flush, or unsustainable in current make up.

That then results in eg Nordic nations joining us and others in a mutually beneficial trading union, and start to get a cooperation that eventually moves Europe on so that the members exEU plus others can take a proper place in this globalised world. Meanwhile the insular protectionist rEU can either reform into something that works, which will mean wholesale restructure, or it goes down the pan. I don't wish for the latter of those two as it would cause quite some disturbance, but if so, then so be it.

Obviously people are free to disagree, but in reality the waters ahead could be made to be very rough if parties are completely intransigent and only keen on inflicting pain, but it doesn't have to be so. The British people have a nature that when royally pissed off they can be very unforgiving. All should beware.

[turbobloke]

FiF said:

Greg66 said:

I have heard it often repeated that the best deal is the one that leaves both sides the least pissed off.

Brexit, but very soft, fits that bill.

The various national interests see that the way forward is an amicable solution and we agree a soft(ish) Brexit.

The British people have a nature that when royally pissed off they can be very unforgiving. All should beware.

Agreed x3 soft-to-softish with no EU silliness. I genuinely consider there to be little chance of that from our side, subject to your final caveat.

[don4l]

bmw535i said:

Isn't it funny how ajd just vanishes on a daily basis when his latest rubbish is outed as nonsense, to only then pop up the next day as if nothing has happened. Some people just have no shame or dignity.

That is why I don't even read his posts.

If everyone ignored him, he would soon disappear.

[Hosenbugler]

bmw535i said:

Jimboka said:

Doesn't matter what May + a few chancers & liars want. They will not be allowed to commit national & financial suicide.
There will be more twists & turns, common sense will prevail (Brexit will be watered down, to the liars dismay)

"National suicide"

This number will be handy for him 116 123

[Pan Pan Pan]

MG CHRIS said:

Jimboka said:

don4l said:

Greg66 said:

I thought the one thing the hard Brexit leavers agreed on was that there was no plan, nor was there a need for plan.

There is a plan.

Theresa has explained it.
Iain Duncan-Smith has explained it.
David Davis has explained it.
I have explained it.

They have all said exactly the same thing, but many people cannot understand the message for some inexplicable reason.

The plan is incredibly simple. There are 2 steps.

March 1917 - Invoke article 50
March 2019 - Leave the EU, rejoin the WTO.

I'm not sure about the timing of step two. It could, of course, happen much quicker. Markets do not like uncertainty, as you know. Therefore, it would be much better to give a shorter notice period.

Does anyone know how long it takes to train Border Agency and HMRC staff? Have the job ads already appeared? I wouldn't know because I don't read the Guardian.

Doesn't matter what May + a few chancers & liars want. They will not be allowed to commit national & financial suicide.
There will be more twists & turns, common sense will prevail (Brexit will be watered down, to the liars dismay)

Must be a hard life being so negative all the time.

Until Jimboka acknowledges that the remain side told just as many whoppers in their campaign, some of them backed up with taxpayers cash, it is hard to accept any comments he makes regarding the results of the referendum.
He seems to be trying to make out that the lies only occurred on the leave side, which is of course patently untrue.

[Stickyfinger]

don4l said:

bmw535i said:

Isn't it funny how ajd just vanishes on a daily basis when his latest rubbish is outed as nonsense, to only then pop up the next day as if nothing has happened. Some people just have no shame or dignity.

That is why I don't even read his posts.

If everyone ignored him, he would soon disappear.

Does that work for herpes ?

[andymadmak]

Jimboka said:

Doesn't matter what May + a few chancers & liars want.

do you have to use language like this? It is so confrontational and unnecessary. Chancers and liars? I'll take the point that lies were told on all sides. The debate deserved better quality and service than it got from both sides. That being said, I have honestly yet to come across a Brexit voter that conforms to the stereotypes put forward by ///ajd and yourself. To a man (and woman) everyone I know who voted out did so after careful consideration. And I certainly haven't met anyone who could be remotely described as racist, or who believed the 350million for the NHS noise, nor for that matter the Punishment budget and collapse of the stock markets asserted so forcibly by Remain.
Most people just thought it through Jimboka, and many of them came to a different conclusion than you. That does not make them bad people, it just means that they disagree with your view and their opinion carried more votes on the day than yours.

Jimboka said:

They will not be allowed to commit national & financial suicide.

Not allowed? By whom? Who is going to stop things? The Illuminati? The Queen? I really do not understand. Are you suggesting that the outcome of the vote should be ignored? I think if that were to happen then there really would be significant ramifications - possibly as damaging as those you yourself fear from Brexit.
Look, why is it not possible for you to accept the vote and work positively toward ensuring the best possible outcome for the UK in the context of the decision made. Shouting, stamping, insulting, demanding and making wild statements (financial suicide?) excludes you from a debate that you should be fully engaged in. Do you want that? Do you want to be ignored?

Jimboka said:

There will be more twists & turns, common sense will prevail (Brexit will be watered down,

You are quite right in that we can expect many more twists and turns. It is to be hoped that common sense will prevail, although it is far from certain. My sense is that Mrs May would really like a sensible deal, but the sticking point at the moment appears to be the attitudes of some in Brussels right now. Let us all hope that calm heads will prevail and a decent, fair sensible deal can be done for Brexit. Whether that means watering things down remains to be seen. Since nobody knows what the deal looks like yet, the question of whether or not it represents a watering down is still moot

Jimboka said:

to the liars dismay)

Liars dismay? What do you mean by this? Is it your contention that the liars (as you call them) do not want a common sense deal, or a deal that works for the UK and Europe? Do you believe that those who voted Brexit or those who argued for Brexit in the media and politics actually wanted to harm the UK? Is it your contention that Brexiteers consciously set out to make life worse for people in the UK? Why would anyone be dismayed if a sensible deal is done? Surely the only dismay would be if the EU decided to play silly buggers by trying to punish the UK and subsequently ended up cutting off it's own nose to spite its face? Even then, that would not be the fault of the Brexit voters. After all, its not as if the EU has not had enough warnings about how people in the UK and across Europe feel about it (the EU) Should they (the EU) not be listening to the people?

[B'stard Child]

andymadmak said:

Jimboka said:

Doesn't matter what May + a few chancers & liars want.

do you have to use language like this? It is so confrontational and unnecessary. Chancers and liars? I'll take the point that lies were told on all sides. The debate deserved better quality and service than it got from both sides. That being said, I have honestly yet to come across a Brexit voter that conforms to the stereotypes put forward by ///ajd and yourself. To a man (and woman) everyone I know who voted out did so after careful consideration. And I certainly haven't met anyone who could be remotely described as racist, or who believed the 350million for the NHS noise, nor for that matter the Punishment budget and collapse of the stock markets asserted so forcibly by Remain.
Most people just thought it through Jimboka, and many of them came to a different conclusion than you. That does not make them bad people, it just means that they disagree with your view and their opinion carried more votes on the day than yours.

Jimboka said:

They will not be allowed to commit national & financial suicide.

Not allowed? By whom? Who is going to stop things? The Illuminati? The Queen? I really do not understand. Are you suggesting that the outcome of the vote should be ignored? I think if that were to happen then there really would be significant ramifications - possibly as damaging as those you yourself fear from Brexit.
Look, why is it not possible for you to accept the vote and work positively toward ensuring the best possible outcome for the UK in the context of the decision made. Shouting, stamping, insulting, demanding and making wild statements (financial suicide?) excludes you from a debate that you should be fully engaged in. Do you want that? Do you want to be ignored?

Jimboka said:

There will be more twists & turns, common sense will prevail (Brexit will be watered down,

You are quite right in that we can expect many more twists and turns. It is to be hoped that common sense will prevail, although it is far from certain. My sense is that Mrs May would really like a sensible deal, but the sticking point at the moment appears to be the attitudes of some in Brussels right now. Let us all hope that calm heads will prevail and a decent, fair sensible deal can be done for Brexit. Whether that means watering things down remains to be seen. Since nobody knows what the deal looks like yet, the question of whether or not it represents a watering down is still moot

Jimboka said:

to the liars dismay)

Liars dismay? What do you mean by this? Is it your contention that the liars (as you call them) do not want a common sense deal, or a deal that works for the UK and Europe? Do you believe that those who voted Brexit or those who argued for Brexit in the media and politics actually wanted to harm the UK? Is it your contention that Brexiteers consciously set out to make life worse for people in the UK? Why would anyone be dismayed if a sensible deal is done? Surely the only dismay would be if the EU decided to play silly buggers by trying to punish the UK and subsequently ended up cutting off it's own nose to spite its face? Even then, that would not be the fault of the Brexit voters. After all, its not as if the EU has not had enough warnings about how people in the UK and across Europe feel about it (the EU) Should they (the EU) not be listening to the people?

Brave effort - Good response 11/10

However wasted - Jimboka is a "hit and run" specialist - bit like a "corporate seagull" - fly in sts on everything and then fks off

He's irritating at first but then you recognise just exactly what he is and just laugh