Re-united Ireland?

[Eric Mc]

There are plenty of examples of independent countries in various parts of the world where the Queen remains head of state. I can see Scotland (or even Northern Ireland) becoming independent countries but retaining Her Majesty as the head of state.

That might please the Loyalist contingent. The old "Protestant/Catholic" fears are virtually extinct now so the religious element should really not come into it any more.

[nicanary]

Eric Mc said:

There are plenty of examples of independent countries in various parts of the world where the Queen remains head of state. I can see Scotland (or even Northern Ireland) becoming independent countries but retaining Her Majesty as the head of state.

That might please the Loyalist contingent. The old "Protestant/Catholic" fears are virtually extinct now so the religious element should really not come into it any more.

I have to agree with you on the lapsing of the Prod/Cath enmity, except in some areas of Belfast. The old "FTP" graffiti are fading off the walls. In my town they still burn effigies of the Pope on bonfires, as well as the Republic's flag, so it's not ended yet.

If anything, it's the English the loyalists now hate, although quite why is beyond me - it's London that sends the cash to the paramilitary leaders (sorry, community leaders...) to pay for their flats in Benidorm. I've been called a f*cking English bas*ard on numerous occasions, mostly when they weren't getting their own way. They're British when it suits them, Ulster when it suits them, and even sometimes Irish when it suits them. Selfishness at Olympic levels.

I suppose it's a case of "looking after No.1".

[MDMetal]

The problem is the ref question was purely about the EU, it wasn't UK vs EU it was EU vs non EU little can be realistically taken from that apart from the question, anything else is spin either did.

Now the answer is out there we need to move forward with the right exit for all our nations, various countries have different concerns and they all need to be listened to, if nothing else this vote has proved people feel they aren't listened to.

[anonymous-user]

Leins said:

NI is a lovely place, with some of the nicest scenery in the world, and very friendly people. You should really pay it a visit

Don't forget to pay us a visit south of the border too though, but make sure to bring your passport

I've already been to Ireland and did very much enjoy it.

[confused_buyer]

anonymous said:

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NI is well worth a visit. It is a bit strange - it looks and feels like anywhere else in the UK in many respects but is undoubtedly different as well.

The scenery is great and the people even more talkative than in the South.

As a tourist destination it is one of the hidden gems of the UK.

[TeamD]

Ok, so this one will no doubt put the cat amongst the pigeons, but...

How about we offer RoI reentry to the UK, thus reuniting Ireland and getting them off of the hook to the EU? Think off it like a kind of Berlin wall moment

[Eric Mc]

You could offer.

I could guess what the response would be

[DaveCWK]

Everyone seems to be going on about it being very likely Scotland will have another referendum & the vote to leave. Unless I'm missing somethibg:

- Westminster would have to agree with it, which they are unlikely to do considering they have just had one, at a time the scots were fully aware that a UK EU referendum was on the cards & a potential part of the future
- The SNP are no longer 'on the march' & don't have the majority they did in the Scottish parlaiment
- The collapse in oil prices & the fact that Scotland will have to take on the euro if they are to join the EU means a yes vote is unlikely anyway - how will this position be tenable when people can still recall the previous vote, & the key arguments of keeping the pound & an oil economy?

Edited by DaveCWK on Saturday 25th June 10:41

[Paddymcc]

TeamD said:

Ok, so this one will no doubt put the cat amongst the pigeons, but...

How about we offer RoI reentry to the UK, thus reuniting Ireland and getting them off of the hook to the EU? Think off it like a kind of Berlin wall moment

Might as well urinate into the wind

[dazwalsh]

Yeah waste of breath if you ask me, Ireland is one of the countries that thrive and benefit greatly from the EU, the whole celtic tiger thing transformed the country, and they are currently experiencing a bit of a boom again following the recession. Fastest growing economy in the eurozone at the moment i believe.

[TeamD]

Paddymcc said:

TeamD said:

Ok, so this one will no doubt put the cat amongst the pigeons, but...

How about we offer RoI reentry to the UK, thus reuniting Ireland and getting them off of the hook to the EU? Think off it like a kind of Berlin wall moment

Might as well urinate into the wind

I was being facetious btw That said, an Irish chap that I was speaking to the other day did air his point of view that there is a growing feeling of euro-scepticism in the RoI in part due to their feeling hamstrung by the EU after their bailout. Food for thought.

[Eric Mc]

There was always a small undercurrent in Ireland against the EEC/EC/EU. I used to work in an office in Dublin which shared space with an organisation calling itself The Irish Sovereignty Movement. It was very much a minority group but their argument was that having fought for independence from British rule for nigh on 800 years, why was Ireland subjugating itself to rule from Brussels?

The movement was wound up in the 1980s due to lack of interest.

[Paddymcc]

dazwalsh said:

Yeah waste of breath if you ask me, Ireland is one of the countries that thrive and benefit greatly from the EU, the whole celtic tiger thing transformed the country, and they are currently experiencing a bit of a boom again following the recession. Fastest growing economy in the eurozone at the moment i believe.

A lot of friends that are bricklayers, shuttering etc are all back down in Dublin working and busy as ever.

My brother now down working in Dublin spent nearly 2 months living in a hotel before he could find a decent room to rent.

[Paddymcc]

Paddymcc said:

A lot of friends that are bricklayers, shuttering etc are all back down in Dublin working and busy as ever and more or less the same silly wages they were on before the recession.

My brother now down working in Dublin spent nearly 2 months living in a hotel before he could find a decent room to rent.

[confused_buyer]

RoI would never want to be part of UK but you can make a good economic argument they should be in a Sterling zone than the Eurozone.

[saaby93]

TeamD said:

Ok, so this one will no doubt put the cat amongst the pigeons, but...

How about we offer RoI reentry to the UK, thus reuniting Ireland and getting them off of the hook to the EU? Think off it like a kind of Berlin wall moment

Why offer? Couldnt it be done by mutual consent
Otherwise how is RoI going to trade with rest of EU

[DMN]

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[Eric Mc]

confused_buyer said:

RoI would never want to be part of UK but you can make a good economic argument they should be in a Sterling zone than the Eurozone.

Back to pre-1979,

[Leins]

TeamD said:

I was being facetious btw That said, an Irish chap that I was speaking to the other day did air his point of view that there is a growing feeling of euro-scepticism in the RoI in part due to their feeling hamstrung by the EU after their bailout. Food for thought.

It's more a shrinking feeling here now I think. The issue is more with our inglorious leaders. I, for one, believe the EU to be crucial to RoI's future, and I benefit from it personally due to work situation (IT consultant working with international companies based here). I was actually happier when the EU had more control over our government and its spending

And just to be clear, outside the usual fringe group, there is zero appetite or desire down here for a United Ireland

[chow pan toon]

After seeing the story about an upsurge in people looking at Irish Passports I have discovered that I am apparently an Irish citizen because my dad was Irish. I don't have his birth certificate or anything like that but I assume it is easy enough to order a copy?