Re-united Ireland?

[nicanary]

DMN said:

Ian Paisley Junior, son of the founder of the Democratic Unionist Party, advising his constituents and others to take up the opportunity of securing an Irish passport.

Ian Paisley @ianpaisleymp

My advice is if you are entitled to second passport then take one. I sign off lots of applications for constituents https://twitter.com/bbctalkback/status/74631483638... …

I know it's just to make things easier when travelling on the Continent, but you have to chuckle. Big Ian must be turning in his grave. Members of the Martyrs Memorial Free Presbyterian Church with Irish passports, indeed! It's the end of the world, I tell you.

[anonymous-user]

confused_buyer said:

RoI would never want to be part of UK but you can make a good economic argument they should be in a Sterling zone than the Eurozone.

Let's just promote the selling of loads of stuff to them and the buying of loads of stuff from them, make it as easy as possible to do so, collaborate where we can, keep our chosen government and currency here and their chosen government and currency there and be friends?!!!
Could call it E.U mk2!

[Eric Mc]

anonymous said:

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Kind of where we are anyway.

[Leins]

Eric Mc said:

anonymous said:

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Kind of where we are anyway.

And certainly no-one here wants that to change, but our hands are slightly tied as we are sticking with the EU. However, we do have a long history of ignoring Brussels too, for both better and worse e.g. Corp Tax, Vehicle Registration Tax

[Eric Mc]

Keep it up. The British are far too straight. They get a directive from Brussels and say - "Oh no, we'll have to implement all those rules".

In Ireland (and elsewhere) they say, "Good rules. we'll get around to implementing at some time. We'll let you know when they're in place".

[Leins]

You know how it works! . And TBF Brussels does come up with the odd good idea we like the sounds of, which is more than can be said for our schoolteacher at the top over here

[Eric Mc]

I hope he's not threatening you all with a taste of "The Leather"?

[V8LM]

If Scotland were to become independent following a second referendum but this was done after the UK had left the EU, would they qualify to join the EU? Would the EU want them?

I presume this is one of the many things that Sturgeon is wanting to secure.

[s2art]

V8LM said:

If Scotland were to become independent following a second referendum but this was done after the UK had left the EU, would they qualify to join the EU? Would the EU want them?

No, and they would when Scotland met the joining criteria. Which they are nowhere near.

[confused_buyer]

V8LM said:

If Scotland were to become independent following a second referendum but this was done after the UK had left the EU, would they qualify to join the EU? Would the EU want them?

I presume this is one of the many things that Sturgeon is wanting to secure.

No, they wouldn't qualify and why would they want to?

Scotland's economy is totally intertwined with that of the rest of the UK - it would be virtually impossible for it to be a EU member and then have barriers with the UK (however small). Only if the UK ends up retaining total single market access could this even begin to work and then you still face some control if the UK goes off and makes it's own trade deals.

You could face the situation where something from the USA is subject to a 5% tariff if imported and sold in Newcastle but an 8% one in Edinburgh etc.

That's before we even get to the massive budget deficit at the current oil price.

Scotland will moan and shout about it but, independent or as part of the UK, it is heading out of the EU and, if independent, will have to be part of a joint trading block with the UK.

[V8LM]

And presumably a Scotland joining the EU would have to adopt the Euro, Schengen, no rebate, ...

[burritoNinja]

Kaj91 said:

Time to send the planters home.

Britain are out of Europe, let's finish the job and get them out of Ireland.

Dear god. Your seething sectarian hatred for a section of NI is just pathetic. Please go learn real Irish history. Protestants/Unionists are part of the fabric of Irish history and will remain so. Even Republican SF have mentioned the crude and ignorant rubbish spouted about "planters". Should the "Irish" community in Scotland be kicked out? They love flying Irish flags at Celtic and they have plenty of Republican parades in support of terrorism in Scotland. Are they the reversal of planters? And yes I know why the Irish went to Scotland before you spout typical republican bigotry about that.

[markh1973]

Mr Tidy said:

Why not hold a new referendum in the rest of the UK (over 44 Million voters compared with a paltry 4 million Scots) to decide if we still want to subsidise Scotland any longer - surely that is what a democratic majority is about?

The Scots want to stay in the EU, great - let the EU pay for them like every other subsidised economy (as in Spain, Greece, Portugal, Italy, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Republic of Ireland - the list goes on, and on............).

Then the rest of the UK can stop funding the Scottish ego! At least this time the tail didn't get to wag the dog!

Re-unite Ireland too - great idea! It solves an age old issue and dumps the costs on the EU! Ireland has been a problem for mainland UK for a century - what actual benefit is Northern Ireland to the UK, apart from a drain on resources? Time to go is surely long overdue?!

I won't miss them, to be sure!

Why not hold a referendum in London as to whether we want to continue funding the rest of the U.K.

[nicanary]

burritoNinja said:

Kaj91 said:

Time to send the planters home.

Britain are out of Europe, let's finish the job and get them out of Ireland.

Dear god. Your seething sectarian hatred for a section of NI is just pathetic. Please go learn real Irish history. Protestants/Unionists are part of the fabric of Irish history and will remain so. Even Republican SF have mentioned the crude and ignorant rubbish spouted about "planters". Should the "Irish" community in Scotland be kicked out? They love flying Irish flags at Celtic and they have plenty of Republican parades in support of terrorism in Scotland. Are they the reversal of planters? And yes I know why the Irish went to Scotland before you spout typical republican bigotry about that.

For the deep-fried Mars bars.......

NOTHING WILL CHANGE in the 6 counties. Get over it, all of you. The South don't want them , the North (even some catholics) want to stay part of the UK. END OF, as they say. The only thing that might be offered if the UK splits up, is that the North will be asked what they want to do. They know they need English money, so that's your answer.

[confused_buyer]

nicanary said:

For the deep-fried Mars bars.......

NOTHING WILL CHANGE in the 6 counties. Get over it, all of you. The South don't want them , the North (even some catholics) want to stay part of the UK. END OF, as they say. The only thing that might be offered if the UK splits up, is that the North will be asked what they want to do. They know they need English money, so that's your answer.

The last opinion polls I saw on the subject, the majority of Nationalists wanted to remain part of the UK.

They simply thought they'd never get the same sort of money and jobs the UK Government ships over to NI out of Dublin. They're probably right.

[gooner1]

burritoNinja said:

Kaj91 said:

Time to send the planters home.

Britain are out of Europe, let's finish the job and get them out of Ireland.

Dear god. Your seething sectarian hatred for a section of NI is just pathetic. Please go learn real Irish history. Protestants/Unionists are part of the fabric of Irish history and will remain so. Even Republican SF have mentioned the crude and ignorant rubbish spouted about "planters". Should the "Irish" community in Scotland be kicked out? They love flying Irish flags at Celtic and they have plenty of Republican parades in support of terrorism in Scotland. Are they the reversal of planters? And yes I know why the Irish went to Scotland before you spout typical republican bigotry about that.

Damn you burritonNinja. I was actually praying to my God that no one would respond to the idiot.

[slow_poke]

chow pan toon said:

After seeing the story about an upsurge in people looking at Irish Passports I have discovered that I am apparently an Irish citizen because my dad was Irish. I don't have his birth certificate or anything like that but I assume it is easy enough to order a copy?

Yeah, just a small admin fee to get it. You any good at soccer?

[Skyrat]

DaveCWK said:

Everyone seems to be going on about it being very likely Scotland will have another referendum & the vote to leave. Unless I'm missing somethibg:

- Westminster would have to agree with it, which they are unlikely to do considering they have just had one, at a time the scots were fully aware that a UK EU referendum was on the cards & a potential part of the future
- The SNP are no longer 'on the march' & don't have the majority they did in the Scottish parlaiment
- The collapse in oil prices & the fact that Scotland will have to take on the euro if they are to join the EU means a yes vote is unlikely anyway - how will this position be tenable when people can still recall the previous vote, & the key arguments of keeping the pound & an oil economy?

Edited by DaveCWK on Saturday 25th June 10:41

Jesus, where to start with this one.

The Edinburgh Agreement made a precedent. It stated that Scotland had the right decide its own future. The Scottish parliament has the right to legislate for a second referendum.

The SNP may not have a majority in Holyrood, but there is a pro-independence majority so the referendum bill will be passed.

I can't believe this myth is still going. The Scottish economy is not based on oil. Yes, it's a significant bonus but even without it our GDP /GVA per capita is less than England's but still comparable to it. We don't need any oil.

[burritoNinja]

gooner1 said:

Damn you burritonNinja. I was actually praying to my God that no one would respond to the idiot.

I'm sorry but I just can't stand these nutters. On both sides at it! Sick and bloody tired of the politics of NI. News of Brexit on Friday morning and the first thing a caller into the Steven Nolan radio show said was about getting the flag back up on city hall. Huge huge world of all different cultures and backgrounds in our world and yet NI just remains the same old.

[gooner1]

Skyrat said:

Jesus, where to start with this one.

The Edinburgh Agreement made a precedent. It stated that Scotland had the right decide its own future. The Scottish parliament has the right to legislate for a second referendum.

The SNP may not have a majority in Holyrood, but there is a pro-independence majority so the referendum bill will be passed.

I can't believe this myth is still going. The Scottish economy is not based on oil. Yes, it's a significant bonus but even without it our GDP /GVA per capita is less than England's but still comparable to it. We don't need any oil.

Your Chippies still use Lard?