What are the people of Europe saying? Anecdotaly.

[SPS]

Gogoplata said:

SpeckledJim said:

"we should assign greater weight to the opinions of the 18-24 year olds!" Screams my outraged facebook feed.


After all, look at every well-run organisation, company and country - who do you find at the top, using their superior judgement to make good decisions?

Correct! The 18-24.

Yeah, but voting is heavily skewered towards old people because you have to leave the house and vote with pencil & paper at the polling station, instead of just clicking "Like" on Facebook. It's not fair that young people have to register to vote in order to vote. I mean old people aren't even on Facebook!

^Paraphrased from what somebody actually posted on Facebook.

No wot Iz meen dude in it!

[Mothersruin]

andy_s said:

SpeckledJim said:

Sadly I think this situation obviates the need for a viable plan in order for the Scots to leave now.

They are gone, regardless.

A sad unintended consequence of a good development. But you cant argue with giving the people what they want, and that's what they want.

I've had the same feeling, but I can't see anything happening too soon and hopefully the pot will go off the boil.

If she believed in her own words, she'd call for it to be immediate, but she knows she wouldn't win. She needs time to try and find a new 'Oil' line of reasoning, because that ship has sailed.

[TheGuru]

chrispmartha said:

I'll ad her family with British Passports have said to me how gutted they are as it will effect them if they want to work and travel around the EU

But is that a good reason for staying in? To satisfy personal work and travel experiences of a small amount of people who want to work in Europe? Even more ridiculous to satisfy Australians and others who've managed to get British passports through descent etc

[TheGuru]

sunbeam alpine said:

Had dinner with friends in Brussels yeaterday, and it was a very interesting discussion. There was a sense of amazement and disappointment that the UK is leaving.

I've worked in Belgium previously, it's not without it's problems. In most respects Britain is a far more consumer oriented country, and also a lot more free and efficient in terms of things like industrial relations/HR etc. We are far more American than all of Europe, I think that's why we can still be a huge success without the EU, and I'm not sure the EU gets that. (Of course that success looks a bit far off now, after discovering the metal of the average young person who seems full of entitlement)

[s3fella]

TheGuru said:

chrispmartha said:

I'll ad her family with British Passports have said to me how gutted they are as it will effect them if they want to work and travel around the EU

But is that a good reason for staying in? To satisfy personal work and travel experiences of a small amount of people who want to work in Europe? Even more ridiculous to satisfy Australians and others who've managed to get British passports through descent etc

I'd be very interested to see some numbers on the young people from UK that excercise their rights to go and work in mainland Europe, and I don't mean as they interail about on a "gap" year. I suspect the traffic is far more the other way, as our youth unemployment rates are so far lower than in most Eurozone countries.
I think this whole argument against the Brexit is red herring. Most parents of youths and Uni students I know are pleased if their kids get out of bed of a day, and the thought of them upping stciks and moving to Italy to forge a career is laughable.
Some will, but most will never even have considered it.

[Piersman2]

Mike_Mac said:

manwithbeard said:

I came across this just now:

[url https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j-Gb8Pk2Pk&fe...

Peter Shore (Old Labour),1975.

OMG, they don't make them like him anymore!

Bloody Hell! A coherent, passionate politician, who argues, using reason and fact, for a cause he believes is right.

Where has his like gone? didn't see anything like that from either side this time 'round!

(and he didn't need an Autocue! )

Politicians speaking from the heart about subjects they know intimately don't need auto-cues!

Unfortunately, these politicians haven't existed since Blair. Or more accurately they have, but are not allowed to progress up the slippery political ladders controlled by the career politicians that infest Westminster. As much as I could never vote for Corbyn, his rise to lead the Labour party has been a buck to modern day politics as the unintended consequences of Miliband playing with the voting procedure for Labour leader played out. And I applaud him for getting to the top.

We need less 'career' politicians and more politicians of conviction from across ALL politics to stand up and give the electorate some real choices.

[chrispmartha]

TheGuru said:

chrispmartha said:

I'll ad her family with British Passports have said to me how gutted they are as it will effect them if they want to work and travel around the EU

But is that a good reason for staying in? To satisfy personal work and travel experiences of a small amount of people who want to work in Europe? Even more ridiculous to satisfy Australians and others who've managed to get British passports through descent etc

I didn't give an opinion, I was just saying what they said as Australians with UK passports

[SPS]

robbocop33 said:

tenfour said:

Nicola bd Krankie

im Scottish and she's just getting embarassing,even when she kept on bringing up the Scottish referendum during the Eu referendum she was,as some politician put it the other day,'miopic',she's just obsessed about Scottish Independence.

I agree - I was once "privileged" to be at a function in Glasgow a few years back and to be honest to say i was underwhelmed is an understatement!
She is much more "polished" now but the same myopic point of view.
She is just another politician who wants to go into the history books as a modern William Wallace FFS!
He had a just cause and died for it in the end - old Nicola has no such motivation except the usual politicians ego and self profiling.

[SPS]

Piersman2 said:

Mike_Mac said:

manwithbeard said:

I came across this just now:

[url https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j-Gb8Pk2Pk&fe...

Peter Shore (Old Labour),1975.

OMG, they don't make them like him anymore!

Bloody Hell! A coherent, passionate politician, who argues, using reason and fact, for a cause he believes is right.

Where has his like gone? didn't see anything like that from either side this time 'round!

(and he didn't need an Autocue! )

Politicians speaking from the heart about subjects they know intimately don't need auto-cues!

Unfortunately, these politicians haven't existed since Blair. Or more accurately they have, but are not allowed to progress up the slippery political ladders controlled by the career politicians that infest Westminster. As much as I could never vote for Corbyn, his rise to lead the Labour party has been a buck to modern day politics as the unintended consequences of Miliband playing with the voting procedure for Labour leader played out. And I applaud him for getting to the top.

We need less 'career' politicians and more politicians of conviction from across ALL politics to stand up and give the electorate some real choices.

Totally agree and sadly it appears that one of the finest examples of an honest and very able politician was murdered in broad day light in her own constituancy.
Utterly abhorrent.
RIP The Honorable Joe Cox.

[castroses]

SpeckledJim said:

andy_s said:

robbocop33 said:

im Scottish and she's just getting embarassing,even when she kept on bringing up the Scottish referendum during the Eu referendum she was,as some politician put it the other day,'miopic',she's just obsessed about Scottish Independence.

Well, it is their raison d’être I suppose; just a shame that they couldn't come up with a viable plan on how to do it for the past eighty years.

Sadly I think this situation obviates the need for a viable plan in order for the Scots to leave now.

They are gone, regardless.

A sad unintended consequence of a good development. But you cant argue with giving the people what they want, and that's what they want.

NO CHANCE of Scotland voting to leave the UK in any referendum in the near future. Absolutely none.

Salmons and Sturgeon couldn't convince the majority to break away when they could use/employ the whole range of different reasons and arguments. Now they'd be having a referendum solely on whether we should stay in the EU!? No chance.

What Sturgeon and the SNP consider to be important is very very different from what we the people consider.

No chance.

Edited by castroses on Saturday 25th June 15:26

[Silvernoble883]

Mike_Mac said:

manwithbeard said:

I came across this just now:

[url https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j-Gb8Pk2Pk&fe...

Peter Shore (Old Labour),1975.

OMG, they don't make them like him anymore!

Bloody Hell! A coherent, passionate politician, who argues, using reason and fact, for a cause he believes is right.

Where has his like gone? didn't see anything like that from either side this time 'round!

(and he didn't need an Autocue! )

Very good, shame people didn't listen back then.

[TheGuru]

s3fella said:

I suspect the traffic is far more the other way, as our youth unemployment rates are so far lower than in most Eurozone countries.

Well there are certainly a lot of Europeans working in England in decent jobs, the reason being is that they can't get ahead in their own countries. Places like France are terribly old-fashioned and stuffy. Career progress is based on length of employment and titles, not on ability. Very hierarchical and rigid organisations. It's even worse in Greece and Italy when you add the laziness, mysogyny and corruption into the mix. Little fluidity to the job market, little innovation, little entrepreneurship. I mean it's unheard of for people to change careers in their 30/40's for example.

Edited by TheGuru on Saturday 25th June 15:27

[Beati Dogu]

SPS said:

Totally agree and sadly it appears that one of the finest examples of an honest and very able politician was murdered in broad day light in her own constituancy.
Utterly abhorrent.
RIP The Honorable Joe Cox.

Jo Cox.

And she'd been an MP for only 13 months, so we'll never really know how able & honest she was. All part of the tragedy.

[Watchman]

s3fella said:

Watchman,when you say how your Eastern European friends voted, what were the criteria for being eligible to vote? UK citizens or just registered here for a certain time? Or married to UK citizens? Genuine question.

What you say is interesting as my mate's wife is from CZ and has a face like a wet weekend over it all....but has been here 20 years, has a UK passport, 2 kids and just one elderley relative back in CZ? Not sure how she can be worried about anything tbh.

I have no idea. I never even thought to ask. They all own homes here, work and pay tax, so although they aren't naturalised like my wife, appear to be eligible o vote regardless.

Good question - I'll ask them when we see them again.

[Don]

Great thread. Very interesting to get an outside perspective.

One good thing to come from a Leave vote would appear to be that UKIP are now an irrelevance. Can't say that's a bad thing.

[Finlandia]

s3fella said:

Einion Yrth said:

Finlandia said:

The spin of it is that Sweden has lost a strong ally,

Have we declared war without me noticing?

I've just burned my Ikea Wardrobe and pissed on a bag of frozen meatballs, what next, do a dump on the bonet of my nighbour's Volvo?

[Willy Nilly]

There was a French MEP (I think he was an MEP, Might have just been an MP), and he was saying how bad it was and how the EU knows best (I'm paraphrasing). Well Monsieur, that's why 17 odd million people have voted to get out of the EU.

[Einion Yrth]

Silvernoble883 said:

Mike_Mac said:

manwithbeard said:

I came across this just now:

[url https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j-Gb8Pk2Pk&fe...

Peter Shore (Old Labour),1975.

OMG, they don't make them like him anymore!

Bloody Hell! A coherent, passionate politician, who argues, using reason and fact, for a cause he believes is right.

Where has his like gone? didn't see anything like that from either side this time 'round!

(and he didn't need an Autocue! )

Very good, shame people didn't listen back then.

Brilliant speech. WTF happened to "The party of the people"?

[danllama]

TeamD said:

BOR said:

My german friends and work colleagues were shocked that the uk would self-harm to this extent.

I explained that it was mostly thick people who voted for exit, and that they always have had a persecution complex regarding mainland europe.

We see no immediate change in the short to medium term, but long term investment in the uk now has an additional hurdle to overcome.

The uk looks like a stroppy teenager doing a massive flounce because she can't have those new high heels.

You Sir are a complete idiot. How long would our country have to bang it's head against a brick wall before you would consider that EU reform is impossible and therefore fundamentally incompatible with the wishes and aspirations of the UK?

He's a cretin.

[andy_s]

I work for a Spanish company and aside a bit of good natured ribbing the verdict is a thumbs up in general.

They are in a different boat to the UK though...