What are the people of Europe saying? Anecdotaly.
Discussion
When we stop paying that 350 million pound gross, 270 million pound net amount into EU coffers, the net sum (which is currently never seen again in the UK) and the 80 million pounds a week which the UK got back in the form of rebates and subsidies, will be the total amount of extra cash that becomes available to spend on what the UK wants to spend it on. (and without the EU fines for not spending OUR OWN money the way the EU tells us to, which have amounted to 960 million pounds in the last eight years alone) And lets not forget the 1.7 billion pound surprise bills the EU has imposed on the UK, which strangely under the same formula, paid millions of pounds TO Germany and France, Or are you going to tell everyone that Germany is a poor country, which is not doing very well?
pim said:
That is all very well being educated.The people who are also annoyed who have been S on by successive governments exspecially in the North of the UK.
This vote has been brewing for a long time.Housing shortage distoreded wealth and a divided society.The political classes have to carry the blame for this.And if the continentals don't understand that I am afraid it is there lookout
What do you mean by "their look out"? They think we're taken an unbelievably stupid decision. They're entitled to their opinion. I think most of them understand all too well that it was in large part a protest vote about exactly the issues you mentioned. The problem is that the outcome of the referedum is going to make things harder for those who've lodged a protest vote. The EU wasn't the cause of the problems you mentioned.This vote has been brewing for a long time.Housing shortage distoreded wealth and a divided society.The political classes have to carry the blame for this.And if the continentals don't understand that I am afraid it is there lookout
Pan Pan Pan said:
When we stop paying that 350 million pound gross, 270 million pound net amount into EU coffers, the net sum (which is currently never seen again in the UK) and the 80 million pounds a week which the UK got back in the form of rebates and subsidies, will be the total amount of extra cash that becomes available to spend on what the UK wants to spend it on. (and without the EU fines for not spending OUR OWN money the way the EU tells us to, which have amounted to 960 million pounds in the last eight years alone) And lets not forget the 1.7 billion pound surprise bills the EU has imposed on the UK, which strangely under the same formula, paid millions of pounds TO Germany and France, Or are you going to tell everyone that Germany is a poor country, which is not doing very well?
Express those figures as a percentage of UK government spending.Pan Pan Pan said:
Why then do remainians keep peddling the lie that the UK gets funding FROM the EU. It has never received a net positive penny of EU funding since it joined the EEC in 1975.
I think the benefits have been more from the fact that we can make profits by trading with them. The CBI suggests that nete benefits from trade are IRO £62bn.It could have been argued that the money we paid into the EU was our membership fee to access the market, maybe like retailers paying Amazon to list their products. There's nothing to stop retailers having their own website and trading directly with online shoppers but that may not be the most profitable way.
mattmurdock said:
SeeFive said:
Ok then. Where is the emergency budget talk now?
Surprisingly, having seen that the predicted outcome (sterling and market crash) is coming to pass and with Cameron resigning, Osbourne has decided a positive message may calm the markets.Both campaigns were built on stretching the truth at least.
In a televised debate BEFORE the vote, Farage admitted that the £350mn was inaccurate. They agreed that was the gross figure, and we got rebates that we were told how to spend.
Where were the corrections to the remain campaign of fear before the vote compared to what is being said now?
Pots and kettles.
Countdown said:
I think the benefits have been more from the fact that we can make profits by trading with them. The CBI suggests that nete benefits from trade are IRO £62bn.
It could have been argued that the money we paid into the EU was our membership fee to access the market, maybe like retailers paying Amazon to list their products. There's nothing to stop retailers having their own website and trading directly with online shoppers but that may not be the most profitable way.
Yes, and now that market has too many onerous conditions and does not suit the modern global environment very well.It could have been argued that the money we paid into the EU was our membership fee to access the market, maybe like retailers paying Amazon to list their products. There's nothing to stop retailers having their own website and trading directly with online shoppers but that may not be the most profitable way.
It's totally ridiculous, insane in fact, that the EU has no trade agreements with the USA, Japan, India, China, Australia etc. And that the UK is completely forbidden from making any trade agreements with them. We will soon be able to and that alone makes it worth it. The world wants to deal with the UK, India speaks English, not French, as does the USA. The Chinese scramble to learn English, they love English things (MG for example). Australia/NZ and USA all English speaking, much of their underlying governance and laws are based on English law.
The EU has also stifled innovation in biotech, technology and financial services. Things that the UK can be world leaders at.
Why on earth would we want to stay in this failed and dying political union of countries?
andy-xr said:
In Poland, Pakistan, Russia, France, Germany, Spain or Ireland....is anyone native to those countries shouting that it's time for the Brits to pack up and leave?
Not from Ireland anyway, although no-one wants it to drag on too long. There was a bit of shock with the result though, and a general feeling of it being a bad move on the whole, but then we seem to be coming out of our recession now and so the EU is looked upon in a slightly more favourable light than it was a few years backHowever, whilst the vast majority would like to keep our trade links intact with the UK, and feel we could be the ones to suffer most within the EU, there's a growing feeling that if you are definitely going to pull out then we may also be the ones to benefit from foreign investment that would have gone to the UK otherwise, transfer of financial services from London to Dublin, etc.
SeeFive said:
So was he lying then, or now?
Both campaigns were built on stretching the truth at least.
In a televised debate BEFORE the vote, Farage admitted that the £350mn was inaccurate. They agreed that was the gross figure, and we got rebates that we were told how to spend.
Where were the corrections to the remain campaign of fear before the vote compared to what is being said now?
Pots and kettles.
Both times, in so much as the budget changes he proposed were based on worst case scenarios and that he still believes Brexit will be a negative impact but he is talking the UK up to attempt to calm the markets.Both campaigns were built on stretching the truth at least.
In a televised debate BEFORE the vote, Farage admitted that the £350mn was inaccurate. They agreed that was the gross figure, and we got rebates that we were told how to spend.
Where were the corrections to the remain campaign of fear before the vote compared to what is being said now?
Pots and kettles.
In reality, it is likely to be somewhere in the middle, as always.
Truth is, we will have no idea if the remain 'fears' (job losses, market crash, recession, lack of funding for stuff the EU currently funds) will come to pass until we actually trigger Article 50 and complete the renegotiation with the EU.
However, we categorically won't be spending an extra £350 million a week on the NHS, regardless of the outcome.
k off somewhere else?? ATG said:
Friends from the rest of the EU and those bits of their social circle that I can see via social media have all expressed a unanimously negative opinion; shock, incredulity and annoyance. Same with colleagues past and present. Those samples cover Sweden, France, Germany, Spain, Ireland, Poland, Greece, Romania, Czech Republic, plus a few others, and a broad range of political perspectives, a broad range of careers and a very broad range of salaries. The thing they have in common would be their age range, 30s and 40s, that they've all travelled and lived and worked abroad, and that they're all well educated.
So ? - it wasn't them asked to decide.anonymous said:
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Somebody else put it more politely a few pages back and it was ignored, so...I'll get the ball rolling again.
A Swiss colleague of mine kept on saying in the lead up "There's no way you'll vote out, no way"
Come Friday morning she was in disbelief. To the point that she won't actually talk to me about it now.
My English boss went straight into panic mode and called a meeting regarding finances. I refused to take part in his scaremongering.
It was quite a strange feeling on the tube on Friday morning, but not so in the afternoon, just felt normal.
mattmurdock said:
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My annoyance now is bred by people who are insisting that the £350 million was 'factually true' simply because they can't seem to criticise anything to do with the Leave campaign.
I think we generally agree.My annoyance now is bred by people who are insisting that the £350 million was 'factually true' simply because they can't seem to criticise anything to do with the Leave campaign.
Do you get equally irked by being £4,300 worse off?
The whole campaign from both sides was a disgrace really, to say how important the issue is. But I'm not sure what came first:
- a thick electorate (on both sides. Even the well educated, young, debonair and slim Remainers
) who only respond to soundbites, can only think in 140 character chunks and think having 100 Facebook friends means they're popular etc- a political class that feel everything needs to be dumbed down and who have never progressed out of the school yard.
?
The only saving grace in this context about the result is that at least we do away with a layer of the latter.
pim said:
ATG said:
Friends from the rest of the EU and those bits of their social circle that I can see via social media have all expressed a unanimously negative opinion; shock, incredulity and annoyance. Same with colleagues past and present. Those samples cover Sweden, France, Germany, Spain, Ireland, Poland, Greece, Romania, Czech Republic, plus a few others, and a broad range of political perspectives, a broad range of careers and a very broad range of salaries. The thing they have in common would be their age range, 30s and 40s, that they've all travelled and lived and worked abroad, and that they're all well educated.
That is all very well being educated.The people who are also annoyed who have been S on by successive governments especially in the North of the UK.This vote has been brewing for a long time.Housing shortage distorted wealth and a divided society.The political classes have to carry the blame for this.And if the continentals don't understand that I am afraid it is their lookout
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/25/brexit-is-only...
I'm in the world of Logistics, so heck knows what'll happen to my workload, but having spoken with Austrian, Dutch and Swedish colleagues they seem to be of two minds, pleased that we've had the balls to vote out of an awful union, but sceptical it was the right thing to do for our trade relations.
My Spanish sister-in-law says that she is sad that Britain has voted to leave.
I have just been reading El Pais, Spain's main daily newspaper.
The general feeling seems to be fear of the unknown.
There are calls to negotiate properly with Britain. There are also calls to break the US-Saudi coalition so that Syria becomes more stable, and so reduce the migration.
I have just been reading El Pais, Spain's main daily newspaper.
The general feeling seems to be fear of the unknown.
There are calls to negotiate properly with Britain. There are also calls to break the US-Saudi coalition so that Syria becomes more stable, and so reduce the migration.
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