What are the people of Europe saying? Anecdotaly.
Discussion
SpeckledJim said:
Boring_Chris said:
SpeckledJim said:
Boring_Chris said:
52% of the people hate brown faces.
Hang on. Doesn't the EU have a big border with a lot of white people on the inside and a lot of brown people on the outside?If you think a Hungarian deserves something from us by right which an Ethiopian does not, then have a look at what you are arguing for.
An immigration policy based on merit by definition ignores race.
The EU's policy actively discriminates against African and Asian people.
You would grant rights to a Hungarian that you would not grant to an Ethopian, based simply on where they were born?
Who is prejudiced again?
Boring_Chris said:
SpeckledJim said:
Boring_Chris said:
SpeckledJim said:
Boring_Chris said:
52% of the people hate brown faces.
Hang on. Doesn't the EU have a big border with a lot of white people on the inside and a lot of brown people on the outside?If you think a Hungarian deserves something from us by right which an Ethiopian does not, then have a look at what you are arguing for.
An immigration policy based on merit by definition ignores race.
The EU's policy actively discriminates against African and Asian people.
You would grant rights to a Hungarian that you would not grant to an Ethopian, based simply on where they were born?
Who is prejudiced again?
Why wont you treat Ethiopians like you treat Hungarians? Please assure me you are not racist.
Here in Bosnia, my Greek, Italian, Slovenian and local colleagues, congratulated me on the result.
When asked earlier how I intended to vote, I told them I was an Outer.
No-one has asked, are you sure you did the right thing?
Too polite perhaps
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I came across this just now:
[url https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j-Gb8Pk2Pk&fe...
Peter Shore (Old Labour),1975.
OMG, they don't make them like him anymore!
When asked earlier how I intended to vote, I told them I was an Outer.
No-one has asked, are you sure you did the right thing?
Too polite perhaps
.I came across this just now:
[url https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j-Gb8Pk2Pk&fe...
Peter Shore (Old Labour),1975.
OMG, they don't make them like him anymore!
Steve_W said:
The Aussies couldn't believe we joined in 75.
The original idea of an open trade area for europe was sound (and still is) and thats how it should have stayed, but successive governments have failed to control what has turned into a monumental clusterf
k with the final icing added by Merkel. Where theyve failed is trying to integrate fundamentally different cultural and financial ethics when the euro came in and which was just never going to happen, hence you end up with the current situation for Greece and to a lesser extent Spain and other countries which worked on back handers and things getting done when they felt like it.Latest from French people generally seems to be
One group are laughing at the anger and butt-hurt of Hollande and the EU Presidents. Now demanding their own referendum. They see the UK as a leader away from the undemocratic EU.
Other group are holding candlelight vigils in solidarity with their oppressed remainian friends trapped in the UK. The Leave vote to them is a sign of nationalism and racism.
You get the odd few who have more balanced views but it seems to be two extremes as we saw in the UK.
One group are laughing at the anger and butt-hurt of Hollande and the EU Presidents. Now demanding their own referendum. They see the UK as a leader away from the undemocratic EU.
Other group are holding candlelight vigils in solidarity with their oppressed remainian friends trapped in the UK. The Leave vote to them is a sign of nationalism and racism.
You get the odd few who have more balanced views but it seems to be two extremes as we saw in the UK.
Pan Pan Pan said:
What I find shocking, is that the EU has said it wants the UK gone, as soon a possible, and other EU bureaucrat's, have started the` ` We will make the UK pay this' noises, but it seems that not one of them has asked the question : WHY did over half the voters in a country of over 65 million people WANT to leave the EU?
If the EU elite is so dumb, disconnected (and just plain arrogant) that they cannot even try to understand why the people of the country who form its second largest net contributor of funds in the EU, and its second largest internal market wanted to leave, then THEY really need to start examining THEMSELVES, and what THEY have done to bring this situation about.
If they don't, they will soon start seeing other EU member states going the same way as the UK, and that at least does seem to have had the effect of them starting to sh*t themselves.
For them it is not a case of we must understand what are we doing wrong, but rather a case of: we must take steps so as not let others escape from our corrupt organization.
Excellent point.If the EU elite is so dumb, disconnected (and just plain arrogant) that they cannot even try to understand why the people of the country who form its second largest net contributor of funds in the EU, and its second largest internal market wanted to leave, then THEY really need to start examining THEMSELVES, and what THEY have done to bring this situation about.
If they don't, they will soon start seeing other EU member states going the same way as the UK, and that at least does seem to have had the effect of them starting to sh*t themselves.
For them it is not a case of we must understand what are we doing wrong, but rather a case of: we must take steps so as not let others escape from our corrupt organization.
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Saturday 25th June 08:13
Driller said:
Here in France it's total sour grapes from the MSM and most people.
Saying things like "yeah well, they deserve all they get for leaving, they'll regret it, you'll see".
Nobody seems to understand that it's nothing personal, nothing to do with the people themselves but rather to get out of a bad political/financial system which is nocive and which you have no say over.
That's a really spiteful and immature attitude they have. Man it's like being back at school. Like a bunch of 13 year old bSaying things like "yeah well, they deserve all they get for leaving, they'll regret it, you'll see".
Nobody seems to understand that it's nothing personal, nothing to do with the people themselves but rather to get out of a bad political/financial system which is nocive and which you have no say over.
hy girls.Otispunkmeyer said:
Driller said:
Here in France it's total sour grapes from the MSM and most people.
Saying things like "yeah well, they deserve all they get for leaving, they'll regret it, you'll see".
Nobody seems to understand that it's nothing personal, nothing to do with the people themselves but rather to get out of a bad political/financial system which is nocive and which you have no say over.
That's a really spiteful and immature attitude they have. Man it's like being back at school. Like a bunch of 13 year old bSaying things like "yeah well, they deserve all they get for leaving, they'll regret it, you'll see".
Nobody seems to understand that it's nothing personal, nothing to do with the people themselves but rather to get out of a bad political/financial system which is nocive and which you have no say over.
hy girls.Randy Winkman said:
Without wanting to hi-jack the thread, what about UK nationals in other EU countries? How do they feel?
I'm currently living and working in Belgium (nothing to do with EU).I am a bit concerned as I have to renew my "permission to stay" in October (have to do this every 5 years) - and I don't know what will happen.
I'm currently assuming that nothing much will have changed and I'll get another 5 years. They may take the view that the UK has 2 years to leave and only give me that.
I'm more concerned about my driving licence. I'm currently driving on a UK driving licence, which is fine over here - in fact, they advised me not to exchange it because if I did I'd only get a basic Belgian car licence which meant I would have to start taking tests for towing trailers, something I do very regularly.
Had dinner with friends in Brussels yeaterday, and it was a very interesting discussion. There was a sense of amazement and disappointment that the UK is leaving.
One of my friends, who is very active in Belgian politics and has regular interaction with the EU made a very interesting (and possibly controversial) comment. He said that one of the greatest challenges facing the EU is achieving any sort of change. Because of the way it is structured, every member has equal voting rights, and it has proved pretty much impossible to get agreement for many things. It only needs one member to use their veto, and the whole process gets put on hold. He said that there is an argument for a "core" group of countries to take a lead to get reforms passed, but this would of course be much less "democratic".
Otispunkmeyer said:
Driller said:
Here in France it's total sour grapes from the MSM and most people.
Saying things like "yeah well, they deserve all they get for leaving, they'll regret it, you'll see".
Nobody seems to understand that it's nothing personal, nothing to do with the people themselves but rather to get out of a bad political/financial system which is nocive and which you have no say over.
That's a really spiteful and immature attitude they have. Man it's like being back at school. Like a bunch of 13 year old bSaying things like "yeah well, they deserve all they get for leaving, they'll regret it, you'll see".
Nobody seems to understand that it's nothing personal, nothing to do with the people themselves but rather to get out of a bad political/financial system which is nocive and which you have no say over.
hy girls.I work for a London based Greek company, those I have spoken to in Greece are shocked but definitely understand why we might want to leave the EU, they of course are now stuffed by the EU and I do wonder if they might change their tack again on future bailouts/austerity measures.
Those in the U.S. I spoke to yesterday now fear Trump has more of a chance as we have proven people are not frightend to vote for change and defy the political elite, which is how Hilary is seen.
Ref only 43 pct of young people eligible to vote actually bothering, you can only assume the other 57 pct did not really care either way and remain voters backlash on facebook etc. should if anything be directed at them not the OLDER leave supporters.It's nothing more than sour grapes.
I voted Leave, the Farage poster if anything made me think about a Remain vote, I'd go so far as to suggest it was a shot in the foot by Ukip and in fact Leave vote might have been even higher without it, I'm also tired of the race card being played against Leave voters, now we need a decent negotiator to undo our EU ties, Cameron efforts were lame and thats a big part of why we are where we are now.
Those in the U.S. I spoke to yesterday now fear Trump has more of a chance as we have proven people are not frightend to vote for change and defy the political elite, which is how Hilary is seen.
Ref only 43 pct of young people eligible to vote actually bothering, you can only assume the other 57 pct did not really care either way and remain voters backlash on facebook etc. should if anything be directed at them not the OLDER leave supporters.It's nothing more than sour grapes.
I voted Leave, the Farage poster if anything made me think about a Remain vote, I'd go so far as to suggest it was a shot in the foot by Ukip and in fact Leave vote might have been even higher without it, I'm also tired of the race card being played against Leave voters, now we need a decent negotiator to undo our EU ties, Cameron efforts were lame and thats a big part of why we are where we are now.
Edited by TheRocket on Saturday 25th June 14:19
Was in the US when the vote came down. Some concern that populist sentiment may be in favour of Trump reaching the White House. As appears to be normal these days the polls give him little chance but the polls have been spectacularly wrong in recent times.
Of couse might be good for US tourism in the UK.
Of couse might be good for US tourism in the UK.
robbocop33 said:
im Scottish and she's just getting embarassing,even when she kept on bringing up the Scottish referendum during the Eu referendum she was,as some politician put it the other day,'miopic',she's just obsessed about Scottish Independence.andy_s said:
robbocop33 said:
im Scottish and she's just getting embarassing,even when she kept on bringing up the Scottish referendum during the Eu referendum she was,as some politician put it the other day,'miopic',she's just obsessed about Scottish Independence.They are gone, regardless.
A sad unintended consequence of a good development. But you cant argue with giving the people what they want, and that's what they want.
manwithbeard said:
I came across this just now:
[url https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j-Gb8Pk2Pk&fe...
Peter Shore (Old Labour),1975.
OMG, they don't make them like him anymore!
Bloody Hell! A coherent, passionate politician, who argues, using reason and fact, for a cause he believes is right.[url https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j-Gb8Pk2Pk&fe...
Peter Shore (Old Labour),1975.
OMG, they don't make them like him anymore!
Where has his like gone? didn't see anything like that from either side this time 'round!
(and he didn't need an Autocue!
)SpeckledJim said:
Sadly I think this situation obviates the need for a viable plan in order for the Scots to leave now.
They are gone, regardless.
A sad unintended consequence of a good development. But you cant argue with giving the people what they want, and that's what they want.
I've had the same feeling, but I can't see anything happening too soon and hopefully the pot will go off the boil.They are gone, regardless.
A sad unintended consequence of a good development. But you cant argue with giving the people what they want, and that's what they want.
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