What are the people of Europe saying? Anecdotaly.
Discussion
tenfour said:
Had some Pizza with our Italian neighbours last night. Like many, they were shocked that we voted to leave and also a little envious that, no matter what, they will never have the option to do the same.
I'm a Scottish expat, living in a largely European community in the Middle East. The general consensus so far is that Merkel and friends ought to be really rather worried indeed: Holland, Denmark and possibly even France will start making noises about a referendum soon.
Meanwhile, north of the border, Nicola bd Krankie appears to be the only politician who wants to join Europe
Well she would, wouldn't she - loads of EU subsidies for infrastructure improvements in borderline bankrupt states! But at least the rest of the UK wouldn't be paying for them any more! Good riddance!I'm a Scottish expat, living in a largely European community in the Middle East. The general consensus so far is that Merkel and friends ought to be really rather worried indeed: Holland, Denmark and possibly even France will start making noises about a referendum soon.
Meanwhile, north of the border, Nicola bd Krankie appears to be the only politician who wants to join Europe
Why don't the rest of the UK get a vote on whether we want to maintain a union to subsidise the ungrateful Sturgeonists, who represent less than 10% of the UK electorate? Or would that be more democratic than our political masters are comfortable with (mind you most of them are out of work just now)!
Next referendum please - Scotland out!
REALIST123 said:
Well, at least Merkel is talking some sense now. No need to be nasty, no rush and talks need to be held in an objective, good climate and not focused on trying to deter others from leaving.
Perhaps her unions and businesses have had a word?
I think she is, as usual, cleverer than people think. IMO, she's looking at two paths:Perhaps her unions and businesses have had a word?
- You guys either swim and keep buying BMWs.
- Or you sink and might reconsider on the referendum.
None of these outcomes is helped by Germany applying pressure on the UK. And while the trade surplus that Germany has with the UK is significant, it is not nearly large enough to put the country at risk. So the best option for her is to wait and see.
My Danish friends and family have generally been horrified at the result. Other than 2 of them, they cannot believe that Britian has moved so far to the right. They see it as close-minded and jingoistic.
The other two are delighted, but one of them is an avowed eurosceptic journalist (who, bizarrely, recieves part of his wage packet from the EU?!) and the other is a soldier with some serious anti-Islam ideas who hates the fact that migrants are cominf to Denmark.
The other two are delighted, but one of them is an avowed eurosceptic journalist (who, bizarrely, recieves part of his wage packet from the EU?!) and the other is a soldier with some serious anti-Islam ideas who hates the fact that migrants are cominf to Denmark.
nadger said:
My Danish friends and family have generally been horrified at the result. Other than 2 of them, they cannot believe that Britian has moved so far to the right. They see it as close-minded and jingoistic.
The other two are delighted, but one of them is an avowed eurosceptic journalist (who, bizarrely, recieves part of his wage packet from the EU?!) and the other is a soldier with some serious anti-Islam ideas who hates the fact that migrants are cominf to Denmark.
I think it's a bit dangerous to start implying that 'Britain has moved so far to the right' - it's true that a few may come over that way but the majority have simply voted in a referendum to get out of the EU. Although immigration became a significant issue, it was primarily the *uncontrolled* immigration required by the EU that caused most concern - certainly for those future years when we're not even sure who will then be in the EU.The other two are delighted, but one of them is an avowed eurosceptic journalist (who, bizarrely, recieves part of his wage packet from the EU?!) and the other is a soldier with some serious anti-Islam ideas who hates the fact that migrants are cominf to Denmark.
I accept that uncontrolled immigration has become a major debating point but Leavers were also concerned about our laws being overruled by the EU, coupled with the EU commitment to greater federalism.
Robertj21a said:
I think it's a bit dangerous to start implying that 'Britain has moved so far to the right' - it's true that a few may come over that way but the majority have simply voted in a referendum to get out of the EU. Although immigration became a significant issue, it was primarily the *uncontrolled* immigration required by the EU that caused most concern - certainly for those future years when we're not even sure who will then be in the EU.
I accept that uncontrolled immigration has become a major debating point but Leavers were also concerned about our laws being overruled by the EU, coupled with the EU commitment to greater federalism.
Nah, we're all just jack booted, goose stepping racists who parade around with a Saint Georges Cross draped over our shoulders, didn't you get the memo?I accept that uncontrolled immigration has become a major debating point but Leavers were also concerned about our laws being overruled by the EU, coupled with the EU commitment to greater federalism.
Randy Winkman said:
I'm not sure why people try to suggest others are implying they are "all" anything. I'd say the result was a reflection of a rise in intolerance of other races, creeds and colours. It doesn't mean all those that voted out think the same.
I cannot begin to think how you have missed the narrative that the Remain voters were the young, clever, shiny, and nice people while the Leave voters were old, stupid, short, and racist. It has been a particularly unpleasant part of the campaign. A campaign that backfired largely because real people can actually spot lies when they are that big.Mr Tidy said:
tenfour said:
Had some Pizza with our Italian neighbours last night. Like many, they were shocked that we voted to leave and also a little envious that, no matter what, they will never have the option to do the same.
I'm a Scottish expat, living in a largely European community in the Middle East. The general consensus so far is that Merkel and friends ought to be really rather worried indeed: Holland, Denmark and possibly even France will start making noises about a referendum soon.
Meanwhile, north of the border, Nicola bd Krankie appears to be the only politician who wants to join Europe
Well she would, wouldn't she - loads of EU subsidies for infrastructure improvements in borderline bankrupt states! But at least the rest of the UK wouldn't be paying for them any more! Good riddance!I'm a Scottish expat, living in a largely European community in the Middle East. The general consensus so far is that Merkel and friends ought to be really rather worried indeed: Holland, Denmark and possibly even France will start making noises about a referendum soon.
Meanwhile, north of the border, Nicola bd Krankie appears to be the only politician who wants to join Europe
Why don't the rest of the UK get a vote on whether we want to maintain a union to subsidise the ungrateful Sturgeonists, who represent less than 10% of the UK electorate? Or would that be more democratic than our political masters are comfortable with (mind you most of them are out of work just now)!
Next referendum please - Scotland out!
This is what one Italian economic journalist thinks to the Brexit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Futxf1U2f8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Futxf1U2f8
grumbledoak said:
Randy Winkman said:
I'm not sure why people try to suggest others are implying they are "all" anything. I'd say the result was a reflection of a rise in intolerance of other races, creeds and colours. It doesn't mean all those that voted out think the same.
I cannot begin to think how you have missed the narrative that the Remain voters were the young, clever, shiny, and nice people while the Leave voters were old, stupid, short, and racist. It has been a particularly unpleasant part of the campaign. A campaign that backfired largely because real people can actually spot lies when they are that big.You should grow a thicker skin you poor little poppet.
Randy Winkman said:
I'm not sure why people try to suggest others are implying they are "all" anything. I'd say the result was a reflection of a rise in intolerance of other races, creeds and colours. It doesn't mean all those that voted out think the same.
Well now, I know that one of the 'Leavers' was a young, half-Kenyan/half Sri Lankan female who recently quit her job as lawyer in the City.What does that do to your 'Leave = Bigot' model?
grumbledoak said:
Randy Winkman said:
I'm not sure why people try to suggest others are implying they are "all" anything. I'd say the result was a reflection of a rise in intolerance of other races, creeds and colours. It doesn't mean all those that voted out think the same.
I cannot begin to think how you have missed the narrative that the Remain voters were the young, clever, shiny, and nice people while the Leave voters were old, stupid, short, and racist. It has been a particularly unpleasant part of the campaign. A campaign that backfired largely because real people can actually spot lies when they are that big.tenfour said:
Randy Winkman said:
I'm not sure why people try to suggest others are implying they are "all" anything. I'd say the result was a reflection of a rise in intolerance of other races, creeds and colours. It doesn't mean all those that voted out think the same.
Well now, I know that one of the 'Leavers' was a young, half-Kenyan/half Sri Lankan female who recently quit her job as lawyer in the City.What does that do to your 'Leave = Bigot' model?
Got that, before we have to suffer anymore anecdotes about people that aren't racist voting leave.
minimoog said:
grumbledoak said:
Randy Winkman said:
I'm not sure why people try to suggest others are implying they are "all" anything. I'd say the result was a reflection of a rise in intolerance of other races, creeds and colours. It doesn't mean all those that voted out think the same.
I cannot begin to think how you have missed the narrative that the Remain voters were the young, clever, shiny, and nice people while the Leave voters were old, stupid, short, and racist. It has been a particularly unpleasant part of the campaign. A campaign that backfired largely because real people can actually spot lies when they are that big.MarshPhantom said:
tenfour said:
Randy Winkman said:
I'm not sure why people try to suggest others are implying they are "all" anything. I'd say the result was a reflection of a rise in intolerance of other races, creeds and colours. It doesn't mean all those that voted out think the same.
Well now, I know that one of the 'Leavers' was a young, half-Kenyan/half Sri Lankan female who recently quit her job as lawyer in the City.What does that do to your 'Leave = Bigot' model?
Got that, before we have to suffer anymore anecdotes about people that aren't racist voting leave.
minimoog said:
grumbledoak said:
Randy Winkman said:
I'm not sure why people try to suggest others are implying they are "all" anything. I'd say the result was a reflection of a rise in intolerance of other races, creeds and colours. It doesn't mean all those that voted out think the same.
I cannot begin to think how you have missed the narrative that the Remain voters were the young, clever, shiny, and nice people while the Leave voters were old, stupid, short, and racist. It has been a particularly unpleasant part of the campaign. A campaign that backfired largely because real people can actually spot lies when they are that big.The arguments were misleading yes, but I can't see how the claimed figure is an out an out lie, as its factually correct
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