Is Boris sh*tting himself?
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To think that Boris didn't actually want Brexit to happen
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hownottof
kup Sat 25-Jun-16 15:04:27
And that something else was afoot entirely?
Possibly with David's support, or knowledge at least.
There's been quite a bit about the divide between him and his family (not that that means much necessarily)
His propaganda for leaving was ridiculous in the extreme (£350 million a week for the NHS?)
His reaction since the results were announced
I can't help but wonder if he seriously misjudged the voting populace and this was never his intention at all. More a tactical move with a view to securing something else entirely, purely for his own personal gain.
You could never really accuse Boris of being in touch with the 'common people' after all.
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OhtoblazeswithElvira Sat 25-Jun-16 15:08:22
Agree. Yesterday his face was saying "st,what do we do now?".
God help us!
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Notgivingin789 Sat 25-Jun-16 15:09:50
Yep! I agree.
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hownottofkup Sat 25-Jun-16 15:09:56
The more I think about it the more it all seems a bit odd
(I'm not being anti-Leave voters at all, this is just in regards to Boris)
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Thymeout Sat 25-Jun-16 15:15:41
I agree, too. At the beginning of the campaign, it was 60-40 in favour of Remain. I think he decided to support Leave to establish himself with the right wing of the Tory Party in his leadership bid, increase his profile - and ps off Cameron. Only a fortnight before, he was writing a column in favour of the EU.
He thought Remain would win and then, with the help of the rightwing Eurosceptics, he'd get the leadership. After all, Cameron had already said he wasn't doing another term. He was going anyway.
It would almost be funny if the whole thing weren't so serious.
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Owllady Sat 25-Jun-16 15:16:58
He wants to be prime minister
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Just5minswithDacre Sat 25-Jun-16 15:18:07
That's a novel take on the situation, at least.
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JudyCoolibar Sat 25-Jun-16 15:19:49
Yup. The relative silence from him and Gove is incredibly telling. They're particularly scared because, once it had happened, they wanted Cameron to stay to do all the difficult stuff and take the flak.
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howtorebuild Sat 25-Jun-16 15:21:14
I agree.
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minipie Sat 25-Jun-16 15:21:39
I agree OP.
He wants to be PM - but I bet he doesn't much like the idea of being PM during years of legal red tape, a shrinking economy and 48% of the nation (or more if you include the Leave Regretters) against the leaving process.
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SchnitzelVonKrumm Sat 25-Jun-16 15:23:23
Of course he didn't. He made a selfish and irresponsible decision that has bitten him - and all of us - in the arse. Dave certainly wasn't in on it though.
His shock is Boris realising that he cannot broker an exit that satisfies the White working class and will go down in history as Nigel Farage's useful idiot.
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RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie Sat 25-Jun-16 15:23:53
I agree too. I don't think he has an ounce of integrity in his blustering body, or a single genuinely-held conviction other than, 'Look out for Boris' and it was all a cynical game. His face after the results really did seem to be saying, 'What the fk have I done now?'
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BlueFolly Sat 25-Jun-16 15:26:28
I agree. He looked sick as a parrot yesterday.
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AyeAmarok Sat 25-Jun-16 15:26:42
I also thought this yesterday. I think he wanted to run the campaign and be all flamboyant (flamBoris?) and when the result was close but Remain won, he'd have the support of both sides of the Tory party, then he'd step into the PM role.
Then boom.
I also think the same about Gove. Yesterday morning he looked like he was on a comedown from a night on MDMA and had just realised he had smashed up his house while tripping.
The two of them just looked a bit like "Holy fk, st just got real. What the hell do we do now".
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hownottofkup Sat 25-Jun-16 15:26:49
'support' re Cameron maybe was a bit strong.
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Onenerfwarfrombreakdown Sat 25-Jun-16 15:26:54
His reaction was very muted wasn't it! It definitely was a power play to the right of the party in a bid to shore up the support for his desire to be PM. Not sure this was the way he wanted it tho!!
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ElspethFlashman Sat 25-Jun-16 15:27:18
I'm not sure. He's been a Euro basher all his working life. That doesn't seem false.
But he certainly didn't look much like a man whos won.
He does want to be PM. But I think he's a bit daunted at how angry and divided everyone is and how the job is an absolute poisoned chalice. There is literally nothing that he'll be able to negotiate that will be as good as the UK has had. The public mood could turn vicious against the new PM in a year.
He'll have to be a master at PR and spin as the public NEED to hear and believe good news. So every moderate gain will have to be spun as a Great British Triumph.
Some people seem to be literally expecting their areas to improve very quickly. I think Boris is stting himself slightly as to how to cope with those unrealistic expectations.
Perhaps his Euroscepticism was sincere but he just didn't think that it'd pass? And he'd look like a Champion of the Working Class and be nicely lined up as the great Tory hope once DC eventually left No 10?
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allegretto Sat 25-Jun-16 15:27:45
that's a novel take not really - there's been quite a lot of discussion of this as he has been pro Europe in the past. Tbh I am surprised that people are surprised!
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A11TheSmallTh1ngs Sat 25-Jun-16 15:33:11
But I think he's a bit daunted at how angry and divided everyone is and how the job is an absolute poisoned chalice.
THIS
How can a leader win? People are expecting miracles. No immigration (LOL!) but somehow all the same deals. And also a replacement for all the lost EU grants (i.e. Wales).
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LazyJournalistsQuoteMN Sat 25-Jun-16 15:33:46
I don't think Boris and Farage expected David C to resign. They were hoping he would do the nitty gritty, once people voted leave. I think they expected the EU to beg them to stay. Now that the UK have said Leave, EU want them out ASAP, and Boris knows there isn't enough money in the pot to go it alone. Does anyone else think there will be another referendum?
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TwoLittleBlooms Sat 25-Jun-16 15:33:54
I said exactly that after his and Giselles (sp) speeches yesterday whilst me and DH were talking about it. DH disagrees he thinks the mood was somber due to not wanting to appear to gloat whilst the news sunk in for people. I still think he doesn't want brexit to happen and hope that it won't.
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allegretto Sat 25-Jun-16 15:34:10
From 2012:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/nov/25/boris-joh...
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JustDanceAddict Sat 25-Jun-16 15:34:54
He just wants to be PM.
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MrsTerryPratchett Sat 25-Jun-16 15:35:25
My kid wants a snake for her birthday. She thinks it would be cool and she thinks she'd love it. If I actually gave her a snake for her birthday... That's the look on Boris' face.
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SapphireStrange Sat 25-Jun-16 15:35:46
You're all absolutely right. He is in some war room somewhere as we speak, head in hands, stting himself.
He didn't expect a Leave vote. He knows that leaving is bad for the country. He didn't expect Cameron to flounce off and leave him (potentially) with the clean-up. H
He has fked up big time. He only wants to be Tory leader, and ultimately PM, and he thought this would get him there. He, possibly as much as Cameron for promising this fking referendum in the first place, has gambled with the UK for selfish reasons of personal power and gain.
He knows it. Boris Johnson is many things but he is not stupid.
God help us.
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hownottof
kup Sat 25-Jun-16 15:04:27 And that something else was afoot entirely?
Possibly with David's support, or knowledge at least.
There's been quite a bit about the divide between him and his family (not that that means much necessarily)
His propaganda for leaving was ridiculous in the extreme (£350 million a week for the NHS?)
His reaction since the results were announced
I can't help but wonder if he seriously misjudged the voting populace and this was never his intention at all. More a tactical move with a view to securing something else entirely, purely for his own personal gain.
You could never really accuse Boris of being in touch with the 'common people' after all.
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OhtoblazeswithElvira Sat 25-Jun-16 15:08:22
Agree. Yesterday his face was saying "s
t,what do we do now?".God help us!
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Notgivingin789 Sat 25-Jun-16 15:09:50
Yep! I agree.
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hownottof
kup Sat 25-Jun-16 15:09:56 The more I think about it the more it all seems a bit odd
(I'm not being anti-Leave voters at all, this is just in regards to Boris)
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Thymeout Sat 25-Jun-16 15:15:41
I agree, too. At the beginning of the campaign, it was 60-40 in favour of Remain. I think he decided to support Leave to establish himself with the right wing of the Tory Party in his leadership bid, increase his profile - and p
s off Cameron. Only a fortnight before, he was writing a column in favour of the EU.He thought Remain would win and then, with the help of the rightwing Eurosceptics, he'd get the leadership. After all, Cameron had already said he wasn't doing another term. He was going anyway.
It would almost be funny if the whole thing weren't so serious.
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Owllady Sat 25-Jun-16 15:16:58
He wants to be prime minister
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Just5minswithDacre Sat 25-Jun-16 15:18:07
That's a novel take on the situation, at least.
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JudyCoolibar Sat 25-Jun-16 15:19:49
Yup. The relative silence from him and Gove is incredibly telling. They're particularly scared because, once it had happened, they wanted Cameron to stay to do all the difficult stuff and take the flak.
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howtorebuild Sat 25-Jun-16 15:21:14
I agree.
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minipie Sat 25-Jun-16 15:21:39
I agree OP.
He wants to be PM - but I bet he doesn't much like the idea of being PM during years of legal red tape, a shrinking economy and 48% of the nation (or more if you include the Leave Regretters) against the leaving process.
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SchnitzelVonKrumm Sat 25-Jun-16 15:23:23
Of course he didn't. He made a selfish and irresponsible decision that has bitten him - and all of us - in the arse. Dave certainly wasn't in on it though.
His shock is Boris realising that he cannot broker an exit that satisfies the White working class and will go down in history as Nigel Farage's useful idiot.
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RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie Sat 25-Jun-16 15:23:53
I agree too. I don't think he has an ounce of integrity in his blustering body, or a single genuinely-held conviction other than, 'Look out for Boris' and it was all a cynical game. His face after the results really did seem to be saying, 'What the f
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BlueFolly Sat 25-Jun-16 15:26:28
I agree. He looked sick as a parrot yesterday.
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AyeAmarok Sat 25-Jun-16 15:26:42
I also thought this yesterday. I think he wanted to run the campaign and be all flamboyant (flamBoris?) and when the result was close but Remain won, he'd have the support of both sides of the Tory party, then he'd step into the PM role.
Then boom.
I also think the same about Gove. Yesterday morning he looked like he was on a comedown from a night on MDMA and had just realised he had smashed up his house while tripping.
The two of them just looked a bit like "Holy f
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hownottof
kup Sat 25-Jun-16 15:26:49 'support' re Cameron maybe was a bit strong.
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Onenerfwarfrombreakdown Sat 25-Jun-16 15:26:54
His reaction was very muted wasn't it! It definitely was a power play to the right of the party in a bid to shore up the support for his desire to be PM. Not sure this was the way he wanted it tho!!
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ElspethFlashman Sat 25-Jun-16 15:27:18
I'm not sure. He's been a Euro basher all his working life. That doesn't seem false.
But he certainly didn't look much like a man whos won.
He does want to be PM. But I think he's a bit daunted at how angry and divided everyone is and how the job is an absolute poisoned chalice. There is literally nothing that he'll be able to negotiate that will be as good as the UK has had. The public mood could turn vicious against the new PM in a year.
He'll have to be a master at PR and spin as the public NEED to hear and believe good news. So every moderate gain will have to be spun as a Great British Triumph.
Some people seem to be literally expecting their areas to improve very quickly. I think Boris is s
tting himself slightly as to how to cope with those unrealistic expectations. Perhaps his Euroscepticism was sincere but he just didn't think that it'd pass? And he'd look like a Champion of the Working Class and be nicely lined up as the great Tory hope once DC eventually left No 10?
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allegretto Sat 25-Jun-16 15:27:45
that's a novel take not really - there's been quite a lot of discussion of this as he has been pro Europe in the past. Tbh I am surprised that people are surprised!
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A11TheSmallTh1ngs Sat 25-Jun-16 15:33:11
But I think he's a bit daunted at how angry and divided everyone is and how the job is an absolute poisoned chalice.
THIS
How can a leader win? People are expecting miracles. No immigration (LOL!) but somehow all the same deals. And also a replacement for all the lost EU grants (i.e. Wales).
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LazyJournalistsQuoteMN Sat 25-Jun-16 15:33:46
I don't think Boris and Farage expected David C to resign. They were hoping he would do the nitty gritty, once people voted leave. I think they expected the EU to beg them to stay. Now that the UK have said Leave, EU want them out ASAP, and Boris knows there isn't enough money in the pot to go it alone. Does anyone else think there will be another referendum?
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TwoLittleBlooms Sat 25-Jun-16 15:33:54
I said exactly that after his and Giselles (sp) speeches yesterday whilst me and DH were talking about it. DH disagrees he thinks the mood was somber due to not wanting to appear to gloat whilst the news sunk in for people. I still think he doesn't want brexit to happen and hope that it won't.
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allegretto Sat 25-Jun-16 15:34:10
From 2012:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/nov/25/boris-joh...
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JustDanceAddict Sat 25-Jun-16 15:34:54
He just wants to be PM.
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MrsTerryPratchett Sat 25-Jun-16 15:35:25
My kid wants a snake for her birthday. She thinks it would be cool and she thinks she'd love it. If I actually gave her a snake for her birthday... That's the look on Boris' face.
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SapphireStrange Sat 25-Jun-16 15:35:46
You're all absolutely right. He is in some war room somewhere as we speak, head in hands, s
tting himself.He didn't expect a Leave vote. He knows that leaving is bad for the country. He didn't expect Cameron to flounce off and leave him (potentially) with the clean-up. H
He has f
ked up big time. He only wants to be Tory leader, and ultimately PM, and he thought this would get him there. He, possibly as much as Cameron for promising this fking referendum in the first place, has gambled with the UK for selfish reasons of personal power and gain.He knows it. Boris Johnson is many things but he is not stupid.
God help us.
I posted this on the results thread:
vonuber said:
I'm really coming around to the idea that gove et al never thought that leave would win by 4% (the farage it's not settled margin) and thus don't have a clue what to do.
I suspect they thought they could have used a close vote to put pressure on cameron. Now they know the next leader is basically getting a huge poisoned chalice.
I suspect we will go the Norway route to be honest.
I suspect they thought they could have used a close vote to put pressure on cameron. Now they know the next leader is basically getting a huge poisoned chalice.
I suspect we will go the Norway route to be honest.
vonuber said:
I posted this on the results thread:
Interesting.vonuber said:
I'm really coming around to the idea that gove et al never thought that leave would win by 4% (the farage it's not settled margin) and thus don't have a clue what to do.
I suspect they thought they could have used a close vote to put pressure on cameron. Now they know the next leader is basically getting a huge poisoned chalice.
I suspect we will go the Norway route to be honest.
I suspect they thought they could have used a close vote to put pressure on cameron. Now they know the next leader is basically getting a huge poisoned chalice.
I suspect we will go the Norway route to be honest.
The Leave campaign went quiet about Norway because it has free movement of labour as part of it's negotiation with the EU. That'll go down well here!
s1962a said:
Interesting.
The Leave campaign went quiet about Norway because it has free movement of labour as part of it's negotiation with the EU. That'll go down well here!
It makes sense though. We remain part of the free trade area, keep passporting rights etc.The Leave campaign went quiet about Norway because it has free movement of labour as part of it's negotiation with the EU. That'll go down well here!
We will have to comply with EU regs to sell stuff to them anyway.
It's already being hinted at - so basically nothing will change. How droll.
vonuber said:
It makes sense though. We remain part of the free trade area, keep passporting rights etc.
We will have to comply with EU regs to sell stuff to them anyway.
It's already being hinted at - so basically nothing will change. How droll.
Except the NHS will be £350M/week better off. All those junior doctors were striking over nothing, they're going to be showering in cash!We will have to comply with EU regs to sell stuff to them anyway.
It's already being hinted at - so basically nothing will change. How droll.
vonuber said:
s1962a said:
Interesting.
The Leave campaign went quiet about Norway because it has free movement of labour as part of it's negotiation with the EU. That'll go down well here!
It makes sense though. We remain part of the free trade area, keep passporting rights etc.The Leave campaign went quiet about Norway because it has free movement of labour as part of it's negotiation with the EU. That'll go down well here!
We will have to comply with EU regs to sell stuff to them anyway.
It's already being hinted at - so basically nothing will change. How droll.
Even if that were the case, and it could well be, at least we'd know nothing would change in the future too. Unless the UK wanted it to.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 25th June 20:08
Sheets Tabuer said:
That is interesting and quite true I expect. gottans said:
Not sure about Boris, but you seem to be the one stting yourself about a "3p rise in fuel price". And if you are hanging about on the likes of MUmsnet, with the sort of trivial shyte they worry about, it is no wonder.
I'd suggest man the f
k up you doom monger, but I fear you are done for. So just get the op and move over to Mumsnet to talk about what went on on Loose Women today of how your "DH" doesn't love you anymore. 
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