Is Boris sh*tting himself?
Discussion
silent ninja said:
Boris isn't s
tting it at all. This man will wing it. He wings everything. He's a good talker, a good celebrity, good at handling journalist, good at grabbing headlines. He is NOT an effective leader, effective negotiator, not a 'doer' by any stretch. He wasn't a good London mayor.
Really? He managed two terms as Mayor, and a poll at the end of those two terms put 54% of Londoners believing he did a good job.tting it at all. This man will wing it. He wings everything. He's a good talker, a good celebrity, good at handling journalist, good at grabbing headlines. He is NOT an effective leader, effective negotiator, not a 'doer' by any stretch. He wasn't a good London mayor.May and Gove would indeed be disasters, I'm hoping there is some decent competition for the role.
e8_pack said:
I'm glad you aren't.
I'm sure you are. I'm just wondering where we are suddenly going to get all this mining expertise from - I hear thete are a lot of ukrainian miners still, they could come over and do it.Of course we will need more doctors snd nurses to cope with the increase in respiratory diseases from all the new coal power stations, but at least that again is more jobs.
gottans said:
But they can't just call an election, CMD changed things..
Halb said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-term_Parliamen...
"Section 2 of the Act also provides for two ways in which a general election can be held before the end of this five-year period:
If the House of Commons resolves "That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government", an early general election is held, unless the House of Commons subsequently resolves "That this House has confidence in Her Majesty's Government". This second resolution must be made within fourteen days of the first."
"Section 2 of the Act also provides for two ways in which a general election can be held before the end of this five-year period:
If the House of Commons resolves "That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government", an early general election is held, unless the House of Commons subsequently resolves "That this House has confidence in Her Majesty's Government". This second resolution must be made within fourteen days of the first."
Tuna said:
silent ninja said:
Boris isn't stting it at all. This man will wing it. He wings everything. He's a good talker, a good celebrity, good at handling journalist, good at grabbing headlines. He is NOT an effective leader, effective negotiator, not a 'doer' by any stretch. He wasn't a good London mayor.
Really? He managed two terms as Mayor, and a poll at the end of those two terms put 54% of Londoners believing he did a good job.tting it at all. This man will wing it. He wings everything. He's a good talker, a good celebrity, good at handling journalist, good at grabbing headlines. He is NOT an effective leader, effective negotiator, not a 'doer' by any stretch. He wasn't a good London mayor.May and Gove would indeed be disasters, I'm hoping there is some decent competition for the role.
How did we end up after all these years having two mayors of two towns, old London and old , er German town, being so powerful with the outcome of a continent being in the balance?
4x4Tyke said:
A wacky idea to be sure, consider it an alternative fantasy future if you must, but what do you think to a snap election of cross party unity government with a fixed (2 year?) term, same as required by article 50. They negotiate the new treaty, resolve if the WTO, Swiss, Norwegian model or entirely new model will stand. General election or referendum on new vs existing treaty. If new wins then deliver the article 50 letter and sign new treaty. If existing treaty then carry on. Either way follow this with a General election.
I think the days of having elections with a preconceived idea of the result finished abruptly last week, but I definitely see the sense in a national government. A lot of people asked what UKIP would do in the event of being successful. This could conceivably be it's moment. It has pulled off the astonishing feat of uniting the Labour north with socialoy conservative Tories and globally minded libertarians.
It's toxic now only to Islington liberals of all parties, who after decades of playing these factions off against each other have fallen flat on their faces. Unfortunately for them they are toxic to 17.5 million people.
Why not make UKIP the vehicle for a temporary national government drawing on people from all parties and none with a positive vision for the future outside the EU.
Halb said:
gottans said:
But they can't just call an election, CMD changed things..
Halb said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-term_Parliamen...
"Section 2 of the Act also provides for two ways in which a general election can be held before the end of this five-year period:
If the House of Commons resolves "That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government", an early general election is held, unless the House of Commons subsequently resolves "That this House has confidence in Her Majesty's Government". This second resolution must be made within fourteen days of the first."
"Section 2 of the Act also provides for two ways in which a general election can be held before the end of this five-year period:
If the House of Commons resolves "That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government", an early general election is held, unless the House of Commons subsequently resolves "That this House has confidence in Her Majesty's Government". This second resolution must be made within fourteen days of the first."
V8LM said:
More likely to be the motion of "That there shall be an early parliamentary general election" rather than "That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty’s Government.”
I guess.I suppose it's all down to just how much of a real s
tstorm gets whipped up in the two main gangs.Who knows what is for best!
The point is that we need to put this result in a way that obtains the best result for the nation. To do that we need a group of people who understand the magnitude of the task and that compromise is required. This does not mean just the leaders of Vote Leave but a cross party and even include some remainers in the group.
Now that the decision has been made a number of us Leavers find ourselves now closer in ideology to the less hardened Remainer side. It's clear both sides campaigned on issues that won't be delivered, and for the winning side that's a really hard sell.
I honestly believe political reality will finally surface, now the message has to be that we retain membership of the single market, including the compromises that come with that, which will be a big pill for the hardline immigration lot to swallow, hence part of the hard sell. A lot of the other messages can be handled but it needs will to make it happen from all sides.
This bitter finger pointing and whining is simply destructive, and yes BBC looking at you here as one of the main offenders.
Now that the decision has been made a number of us Leavers find ourselves now closer in ideology to the less hardened Remainer side. It's clear both sides campaigned on issues that won't be delivered, and for the winning side that's a really hard sell.
I honestly believe political reality will finally surface, now the message has to be that we retain membership of the single market, including the compromises that come with that, which will be a big pill for the hardline immigration lot to swallow, hence part of the hard sell. A lot of the other messages can be handled but it needs will to make it happen from all sides.
This bitter finger pointing and whining is simply destructive, and yes BBC looking at you here as one of the main offenders.
Sheets Tabuer said:
As Tarzan said, Boris, gove and farage have to be the ones to negotiate or they will forever say they bodged it.
They won it, the blame or glory should be on their shoulders, don't pass the buck to someone else.
Utter nonsense and the exact childish selfish retort you would expect on the playground.They won it, the blame or glory should be on their shoulders, don't pass the buck to someone else.
We're all grown ups here, the boss has spoken (the people) now unite and move forward as team, pull together and get the job done.
e8_pack said:
We're all grown ups here, the boss has spoken (the people) now unite and move forward as team, pull together and get the job done.
Yep.Instead of people saying "ok that's the decision let's make the most of it" we get part political games that seriously run the risk of throwing the country into turmoil.
Shameful.
pim said:
TonyToniTone said:
I certainly wouldn't have voted leave if I thought UKIP were to form government, I would also support a second referendum if this was to be the case
Second referendum is out the question the people have voted.The petition for a second referendum is absolutely legitimate, you may not like what the petition demands, you may not like the prospect of a General election, but those are 100% legitimate and democratic responses to this situation. A General Election trumps referendum in our constitution.
The petition must be debated in parliament that is the rules, it has blown right through the 100,000 names require. However it cannot force MP or government to hold a further referendum. It only requires them to discuss it and hopefully use that to find a way of this unfolding anarchy. It could become the vehicle for some other motion, another solution such as a unity government or something else completely.
Edited by 4x4Tyke on Sunday 26th June 15:25
If we held a second referendum and voted Remain it would solve nothing and isn't even a guarantee that the EU would want us. Though quite likely they would simply to cover the hole in their finances this could leave. The time for offering an associate status alternative to political union is gone, and the opportunity was passed up by politicians too arrogant and vain to believe that they couldn't railroad their project through despite the views of the public.
Out means out and if that puts us alone with no trade deal and WTO tariffs so be it. If the combined wisdom and experience if the British and European political elites can't come up with any one of a range of better alternatives then they aren't worth the paper they push. If they can they will do it quickly.
Out means out and if that puts us alone with no trade deal and WTO tariffs so be it. If the combined wisdom and experience if the British and European political elites can't come up with any one of a range of better alternatives then they aren't worth the paper they push. If they can they will do it quickly.
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