Is Boris sh*tting himself?
Discussion
s2art said:
OzzyR1 said:
I've met Boris several times and had chance to speak to him for a while on a few of those occasions.
The "blundering buffoon" persona is something I've never seen. He is sharp, clever and one of the most calculating people I've ever met.
I have no doubt that if he gets the chance to become PM then we will see that side of him. Very hard-line, right-wing Tory and I imagine woe betide anyone who gets in his way.
He doesnt seem to be that right wing. A big supporter of the living wage for starters.The "blundering buffoon" persona is something I've never seen. He is sharp, clever and one of the most calculating people I've ever met.
I have no doubt that if he gets the chance to become PM then we will see that side of him. Very hard-line, right-wing Tory and I imagine woe betide anyone who gets in his way.
and gay marriage
It may be all an act and secretly he is more right wing than Atilla the Hun, but, based on his stated policy positions it seems inaccurate to describe him as being on the Tory right.
My feeling is it's probably time for those of us that wanted to remain part of the EU to stand back and let the Brexit proponents implement their plans and policies. We had a referendum, the EU was thoroughly critiqued and promises where made about being able to have the penny and the bun that EU proponents ("remain") simply couldn't honestly and reasonably promise to match. We've talked about FTAs, trade agreements etc. for a long time and been surprised by bold claims.
If the Brexit camp succeed we get a much better deal, if they fail opinion in the UK will swing the other direction and in four years we'll be electing a pro-EU majority to commons. Everyone knew that a Brexit would be difficult but it's time to let the people who won that referendum be measured, let idealism meet reality for the Brexit proponents. Let them form a government and get to work negotiating deals with major trading partners.
While I don't share their views on the EU and think them incapable of delivering it is at least our duty to let them succeed or fail on merit over these next few years. If they fail by 2020 we elect a different government and need never revisit this issue again.
If the Brexit camp succeed we get a much better deal, if they fail opinion in the UK will swing the other direction and in four years we'll be electing a pro-EU majority to commons. Everyone knew that a Brexit would be difficult but it's time to let the people who won that referendum be measured, let idealism meet reality for the Brexit proponents. Let them form a government and get to work negotiating deals with major trading partners.
While I don't share their views on the EU and think them incapable of delivering it is at least our duty to let them succeed or fail on merit over these next few years. If they fail by 2020 we elect a different government and need never revisit this issue again.
Edited by speedy_thrills on Sunday 26th June 16:00
e8_pack said:
Sheets Tabuer said:
As Tarzan said, Boris, gove and farage have to be the ones to negotiate or they will forever say they bodged it.
They won it, the blame or glory should be on their shoulders, don't pass the buck to someone else.
Utter nonsense and the exact childish selfish retort you would expect on the playground.They won it, the blame or glory should be on their shoulders, don't pass the buck to someone else.
We're all grown ups here, the boss has spoken (the people) now unite and move forward as team, pull together and get the job done.
t on the doorstep, surely it's only right they should clear it up.MarshPhantom said:
Team Boris decided to st on the doorstep, surely it's only right they should clear it up.
You could just as correctly blame Cameron. t on the doorstep, surely it's only right they should clear it up.He took us into a referendum thinking he could win with a laughable list of "eu reform", knowing that defeat would leave the UK in the tight spot it finds itself in now.
That is unspeakably reckless.
I hope David Davis takes the job.
Luther Blisset said:
MarshPhantom said:
Team Boris decided to st on the doorstep, surely it's only right they should clear it up.
You could just as correctly blame Cameron. t on the doorstep, surely it's only right they should clear it up.He took us into a referendum thinking he could win with a laughable list of "eu reform", knowing that defeat would leave the UK in the tight spot it finds itself in now.
That is unspeakably reckless.
I hope David Davis takes the job.
speedy_thrills said:
My feeling is it's probably time for those of us that wanted to remain part of the EU to stand back and let the Brexit proponents implement their plans and policies. We had a referendum, the EU was thoroughly critiqued and promises where made about being able to have the penny and the bun that EU proponents ("remain") simply couldn't honestly and reasonably promise to match. We've talked about FTAs, trade agreements etc. for a long time and been surprised by bold claims.
If the Brexit camp succeed we get a much better deal, if they fail opinion in the UK will swing the other direction and in four years we'll be electing a pro-EU majority to commons. Everyone knew that a Brexit would be difficult but it's time to let the people who won that referendum be measured, let idealism meet reality for the Brexit proponents. Let them form a government and get to work negotiating deals with major trading partners.
While I don't share their views on the EU and think them incapable of delivering it is at least our duty to let them succeed or fail on merit over these next few years. If they fail by 2020 we elect a different government and need never revisit this issue again.
I don't think 'people' won the referendum. It was a simple, straightforward vote on whether to leave. We have an elected government, it is up to it to proceed as it thinks fit. Just because Johnson headed the exit campaign doesn't mean he should be in charge. Perish the thought. Nor Gove. They made promises but they were empty (surely no one believed them) as they had no authority. The idea of the money saved (if any) will go to the NHS has already been binned. The idea of 'Australian style' immigration criteria was promised but there's no way it will be implemented (surely no one believed it would). And the vast armada of fishing vessels providing us with cheap fish was sunk before the start. (Surely . . .). Oh, and the trade negotiations with hundreds of other countries and been binned as well as logistically impossible. We'll just have to go with one or two at the start. If the Brexit camp succeed we get a much better deal, if they fail opinion in the UK will swing the other direction and in four years we'll be electing a pro-EU majority to commons. Everyone knew that a Brexit would be difficult but it's time to let the people who won that referendum be measured, let idealism meet reality for the Brexit proponents. Let them form a government and get to work negotiating deals with major trading partners.
While I don't share their views on the EU and think them incapable of delivering it is at least our duty to let them succeed or fail on merit over these next few years. If they fail by 2020 we elect a different government and need never revisit this issue again.
Edited by speedy_thrills on Sunday 26th June 16:00
So the referendum was to leave the EU. It was not to put Johnson into power anymore that it was to put Farage there. Or Gove. Simply put, they have no plans. Nor has the government of course, but they are the government.
Derek Smith said:
I don't think 'people' won the referendum. It was a simple, straightforward vote on whether to leave. We have an elected government, it is up to it to proceed as it thinks fit. Just because Johnson headed the exit campaign doesn't mean he should be in charge. Perish the thought. Nor Gove. They made promises but they were empty (surely no one believed them) as they had no authority. The idea of the money saved (if any) will go to the NHS has already been binned. The idea of 'Australian style' immigration criteria was promised but there's no way it will be implemented (surely no one believed it would). And the vast armada of fishing vessels providing us with cheap fish was sunk before the start. (Surely . . .). Oh, and the trade negotiations with hundreds of other countries and been binned as well as logistically impossible. We'll just have to go with one or two at the start.
So the referendum was to leave the EU. It was not to put Johnson into power anymore that it was to put Farage there. Or Gove. Simply put, they have no plans. Nor has the government of course, but they are the government.
So the referendum was to leave the EU. It was not to put Johnson into power anymore that it was to put Farage there. Or Gove. Simply put, they have no plans. Nor has the government of course, but they are the government.
I'm definitely not saying all,or even the majority, of leave voters voted as they did because of those promises - many have other, more justifiable reasons for their choice.
A sizeable number of voters did believe them though and are going to be very unhappy indeed when those promises are fulfilled.
I think we'll see over the coming months (as some seem to expect change now) a very unpleasant backlash from that subset.
Derek Smith said:
Oh, and the trade negotiations with hundreds of other countries and been binned as well as logistically impossible. We'll just have to go with one or two at the start.
Apart from the ones we inherit by being co-signatories with the ones the EU negotiated. And a load more if we rejoin EFTA. MarshPhantom said:
Seems to be a widely held view that if Boris hadn't gone with Leave then Remain would have won. Cameron certainly isn't blameless.
Fair enough but Cameron didn't want to negotiate exit terms and do the donkey work of developing plan B, knowing it would be for someone else to put it all in action.He should never had put the country in that position, national interest comes before party/personal issues, and you don't gamble such high stakes so carelessly.
I don't think Boris was meant to win, he was just there to legitimise the leave campaign so everyone would say. It was a fair fight. I voted leave..
As a BBC correspondent said reporting a senior civil servant on hearing the result
" oh f##k! That wasn't meant to happen"
Now where is that tin foil...
As a BBC correspondent said reporting a senior civil servant on hearing the result
" oh f##k! That wasn't meant to happen"
Now where is that tin foil...
JagLover said:
s2art said:
OzzyR1 said:
I've met Boris several times and had chance to speak to him for a while on a few of those occasions.
The "blundering buffoon" persona is something I've never seen. He is sharp, clever and one of the most calculating people I've ever met.
I have no doubt that if he gets the chance to become PM then we will see that side of him. Very hard-line, right-wing Tory and I imagine woe betide anyone who gets in his way.
He doesnt seem to be that right wing. A big supporter of the living wage for starters.The "blundering buffoon" persona is something I've never seen. He is sharp, clever and one of the most calculating people I've ever met.
I have no doubt that if he gets the chance to become PM then we will see that side of him. Very hard-line, right-wing Tory and I imagine woe betide anyone who gets in his way.
and gay marriage
It may be all an act and secretly he is more right wing than Atilla the Hun, but, based on his stated policy positions it seems inaccurate to describe him as being on the Tory right.
When the lefties were trying to smear him with the racist and homophobe tags...
He replied... "My wife is a Sikh... and a lot of my best friends went to Eton... so are probably gay."
JagLover said:
s2art said:
OzzyR1 said:
I've met Boris several times and had chance to speak to him for a while on a few of those occasions.
The "blundering buffoon" persona is something I've never seen. He is sharp, clever and one of the most calculating people I've ever met.
I have no doubt that if he gets the chance to become PM then we will see that side of him. Very hard-line, right-wing Tory and I imagine woe betide anyone who gets in his way.
He doesnt seem to be that right wing. A big supporter of the living wage for starters.The "blundering buffoon" persona is something I've never seen. He is sharp, clever and one of the most calculating people I've ever met.
I have no doubt that if he gets the chance to become PM then we will see that side of him. Very hard-line, right-wing Tory and I imagine woe betide anyone who gets in his way.
and gay marriage
It may be all an act and secretly he is more right wing than Atilla the Hun, but, based on his stated policy positions it seems inaccurate to describe him as being on the Tory right.
JagLover said:
s2art said:
OzzyR1 said:
I've met Boris several times and had chance to speak to him for a while on a few of those occasions.
The "blundering buffoon" persona is something I've never seen. He is sharp, clever and one of the most calculating people I've ever met.
I have no doubt that if he gets the chance to become PM then we will see that side of him. Very hard-line, right-wing Tory and I imagine woe betide anyone who gets in his way.
He doesnt seem to be that right wing. A big supporter of the living wage for starters.The "blundering buffoon" persona is something I've never seen. He is sharp, clever and one of the most calculating people I've ever met.
I have no doubt that if he gets the chance to become PM then we will see that side of him. Very hard-line, right-wing Tory and I imagine woe betide anyone who gets in his way.
and gay marriage
It may be all an act and secretly he is more right wing than Atilla the Hun, but, based on his stated policy positions it seems inaccurate to describe him as being on the Tory right.
Nick Clegg (remember him) in fairly prophetic looking prediction from prior the indyref. Seems like he was well aware that noone had a clue wat the plan was:
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/will-wake-vote...
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/will-wake-vote...
glazbagun said:
Nick Clegg (remember him) in fairly prophetic looking prediction from prior the indyref. Seems like he was well aware that noone had a clue wat the plan was:
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/will-wake-vote...
Bugger me, he's practically nostradamus isn't he. Got it spot on.https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/will-wake-vote...
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