Is Boris sh*tting himself?
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don4l said:
You are having a laugh, aren't you?
Or are you engaging in more bedwetting?
If you don't like being labelled a bedwetter, then stop suggesting that Europe's most successful economy is fcked.
I'm wondering if you lot are just trolling me.
WHo has said Germany's economy is fOr are you engaging in more bedwetting?
If you don't like being labelled a bedwetter, then stop suggesting that Europe's most successful economy is fcked.
I'm wondering if you lot are just trolling me.
ked?SoS for Brexit would be a good role for Boris. He's got no experience of Government and put bluntly is nowhere near being ready to be PM yet (Transport Minister would be his other potential berth given his experience with bus and cycle lanes in London). Brexit is his "thing" so let him do it.
Derek Smith said:
Johnson wants nothing more that something akin to the Norwegian option. If, gods help us, he is in charge of negotiations, we'll end up, if what he said is true (just run with me on this one) with open borders remaining.
Brexit is not his thing, Johnson is.
Fair point. Brexit is not his thing, Johnson is.
Derek Smith said:
Greg66 said:
SoS for Brexit would be a good role for Boris. He's got no experience of Government and put bluntly is nowhere near being ready to be PM yet (Transport Minister would be his other potential berth given his experience with bus and cycle lanes in London). Brexit is his "thing" so let him do it.
Johnson wants nothing more that something akin to the Norwegian option. If, gods help us, he is in charge of negotiations, we'll end up, if what he said is true (just run with me on this one) with open borders remaining. Brexit is not his thing, Johnson is.
turbobloke said:
He won't get the crown but he may well take some votes from May and help Boris. Chancellor if Boris wins? Osborne did well before being part of the Pinocchio Effect and has lost out by backing the wrong horse.
So do you think he is standing to purposely split the vote?turbobloke said:
JagLover said:
He won't get the crown but he may well take some votes from Boris MichaelGove said:
But I have come, reluctantly, to the conclusion that Boris cannot provide the leadership or build the team for the task ahead.
He is most certainly not tag teaming with Boris. turbobloke said:
Greg66 said:
turbobloke said:
JagLover said:
He won't get the crown but he may well take some votes from Boris MichaelGove said:
But I have come, reluctantly, to the conclusion that Boris cannot provide the leadership or build the team for the task ahead.
He is most certainly not tag teaming with Boris. 
So, a flawed analysis and the playful edit was unnecessary.
turbobloke said:
Greg66 said:
Ahem. Boris has just pulled out.
Yes he has - that's politicians for you. There's no trusting a word they don't say.As per my recent post, it turns out Boris was s
tting himself. Which is a pity for the Tories in terms of 2020.
eharding said:
Greg66 said:
turbobloke said:
Greg66 said:
Ahem. Boris has just pulled out.
Yes he has - that's politicians for you. There's no trusting a word they don't say.As per my recent post, it turns out Boris was s
tting himself. Which is a pity for the Tories in terms of 2020.
marshalla said:
<crystal ball>Whoever takes the country out of the EU will be tainted and cause huge problems for the Tories at the next election, probably resulting in them losing votes to all the other parties in sufficient quantities for them to lose. They'll have to step down as leader, and guess who'll be waiting in the wings?
Perhaps. In some ways the premiership now is a lot like the 2010 GE: the one before the one that everyone wants to win. OTOH, perhaps Boris has had his "Portillo" moment and decided that he'd rather retire to journalism and broadcasting.
turbobloke said:
Fittster said:
turbobloke said:
Fittster said:
turbobloke said:
paulrockliffe said:
Gove will win, Boris will support him. Boris (and the Party) will have assurance form Gove that he'll stand down following our exit from the EU. Someone else will lead the party into the next election. Sorted.
Gove has the capability to manage Brexit.Someone else...do you have the name Boris in mind?!
Anyone elected as PM can invoke A50.
https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/06/27/nick-ba...
The legal opinion expressed may be correct, IANAL.
This still means that Gove can invoke A50 at some point if he wins, so the quesiton around A50 needed more clarity...it did look as though you had a tome of constitutional law in your pocket, that or you were excited at the two leadership contests occurring at the same time.
The EU may have its own ideas about what constitutes a valid Art 50 notice, but nevertheless, Art 50 says (from memory, something like) notice must be given per the withdrawing country's constitutional requirements.
ETA: The Govt at the time will take its own legal advice and follow that.
If there is a genuine dispute or doubt in the UK over whether it can be given by the PM as an act of foreign policy or requires an Act of Parliament, prudence will win every time. Because the alternative is the PM acting and then having to face an very angry Commons. Potentially a ground for impeachment, certainly a good basis to call for a no confidence vote.
paulrockliffe said:
Fittster said:
These chaps don't think so.
https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/06/27/nick-ba...
Gove can't just get the keys to number 10 and put his signature on Article 50 even if he wanted to. The process will tie up and government (which may well require an election) for years to come,
You can tell that article is probably wrong because the key bit, who can pull the trigger, is only mentioned in the first paragraph, then there is pages of waffle about other things. https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/06/27/nick-ba...
Gove can't just get the keys to number 10 and put his signature on Article 50 even if he wanted to. The process will tie up and government (which may well require an election) for years to come,
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 30th June 12:33
Err, no. It may be wrong, it may be right, but the "waffle about other things" is actually quite closely reasoned analysis.
I'm not at all surprised. I've long since wondered if Boris wasn't a willing sacrifice in a game he was never supposed to win. The Tories have controlled both sides of the Brexit debate; stay or leave that guaranteed the Government would have MP's 'with a mandate' to take charge post referendum. I wonder if Boris ever wanted the top job. Far too much like hard work, I certainly wouldnt want it...
turbobloke said:
Sam All said:
MarshPhantom said:
Diderot said:
Fact is the are 16 million voters blaming Boris on Brexit; he knew he'd be unelectable in general election. It's that simple.
Exactly, he's made himself very unpopular. He's gone from lovable fool to village idiot.
are greatly exaggerated.It's disappointing not to have him in the mix and after his role in the referendum he should have been prepared to front up. Given a week is a long time in politics, he'll do an Arnie as you suggest.
Sam All said:
He has not done badly for himself so far. His story is far from over. He just does not want to be at front, knowing there are many land mines strewed all over the place.
He was the leader of the Brexit liars and he got his way. Now the clueless little coward runs away as he has no chance of clearing up his mess. Good riddance, a month too late unfortunately.So who can out narcisism the next narcisist?
I am truly appalled at how the country has pretty much been sacrificed and for what? So Boris and CMD can settle a playground argument.
Where is Guy Fawkes when he is needed?
The answer to this thread is yes, Boris was stting himself and it has landed on all of us.
I am truly appalled at how the country has pretty much been sacrificed and for what? So Boris and CMD can settle a playground argument.
Where is Guy Fawkes when he is needed?
The answer to this thread is yes, Boris was s
tting himself and it has landed on all of us.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff