Is Boris sh*tting himself?
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paulrockliffe said:
Gove will win, Boris will support him. Boris (and the Party) will have assurance form Gove that he'll stand down following our exit from the EU. Someone else will lead the party into the next election. Sorted.
Gove has the capability to manage Brexit.Someone else...do you have the name Boris in mind?!
paulrockliffe said:
Gove will win, Boris will support him. Boris (and the Party) will have assurance form Gove that he'll stand down following our exit from the EU. Someone else will lead the party into the next election. Sorted.
Ha....after what just happened his 'assurances' are worthless. The night before he's due to step down a leaked email from his wife will appear and the next day he will announce that he is the man to take them into the next election.marshalla said:
He's keeping his head down so he doesn't become the next PM. He wants to be the one after that - with good reason.
Could be but it's tricky doing an up-and-under when there are people unhappy with what you just did, wanting to take your ball(s) off you.A lot can happen while the oblate spheroid is in the air.
turbobloke said:
paulrockliffe said:
Gove will win, Boris will support him. Boris (and the Party) will have assurance form Gove that he'll stand down following our exit from the EU. Someone else will lead the party into the next election. Sorted.
Gove has the capability to manage Brexit.Someone else...do you have the name Boris in mind?!
turbobloke said:
paulrockliffe said:
Gove will win, Boris will support him. Boris (and the Party) will have assurance form Gove that he'll stand down following our exit from the EU. Someone else will lead the party into the next election. Sorted.
Gove has the capability to manage Brexit.Someone else...do you have the name Boris in mind?!
marshalla said:
<crystal ball>Whoever takes the country out of the EU will be tainted and cause huge problems for the Tories at the next election, probably resulting in them losing votes to all the other parties in sufficient quantities for them to lose. They'll have to step down as leader, and guess who'll be waiting in the wings?
Perhaps. In some ways the premiership now is a lot like the 2010 GE: the one before the one that everyone wants to win. OTOH, perhaps Boris has had his "Portillo" moment and decided that he'd rather retire to journalism and broadcasting.
Fittster said:
turbobloke said:
paulrockliffe said:
Gove will win, Boris will support him. Boris (and the Party) will have assurance form Gove that he'll stand down following our exit from the EU. Someone else will lead the party into the next election. Sorted.
Gove has the capability to manage Brexit.Someone else...do you have the name Boris in mind?!
Anyone elected as PM can invoke A50.
sirtyro said:
paulrockliffe said:
Gove will win, Boris will support him. Boris (and the Party) will have assurance form Gove that he'll stand down following our exit from the EU. Someone else will lead the party into the next election. Sorted.
Ha....after what just happened his 'assurances' are worthless. The night before he's due to step down a leaked email from his wife will appear and the next day he will announce that he is the man to take them into the next election.Personally I think Gove sounded out Boris about our EU exit and wasn't convinced he was going to follow the will of the people closely enough, so has offered this deal on the basis that he can kill Johnson's bid, so it's this way or nothing.
But we're all just guessing really.
turbobloke said:
Fittster said:
turbobloke said:
paulrockliffe said:
Gove will win, Boris will support him. Boris (and the Party) will have assurance form Gove that he'll stand down following our exit from the EU. Someone else will lead the party into the next election. Sorted.
Gove has the capability to manage Brexit.Someone else...do you have the name Boris in mind?!
Anyone elected as PM can invoke A50.
https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/06/27/nick-ba...
Gove can't just get the keys to number 10 and put his signature on Article 50 even if he wanted to. The process will tie up and government (which may well require an election) for years to come,
Edited by Fittster on Thursday 30th June 12:33
lostkiwi said:
It appears BoJo will be putting himself forward for PM today along with Theresa May.
While I feel Theresa would be the better PM there is a significant part of me wanting Boris to get the job so he can take responsibility for his actions and let history judge him on his success or failure.
Out manoeuvred?While I feel Theresa would be the better PM there is a significant part of me wanting Boris to get the job so he can take responsibility for his actions and let history judge him on his success or failure.
TX.
Robbo66 said:
It has nothing to do whether Johnson wants or doesn't want to run.
Cameron check mated him, he realised and did the only thing he could possibly have done. Not run.
Extremely clever politics from the Remain camp.
So it turns out that Remain wanted to lose all along in order to work Boris over, and plotted to achieve that outcome, meanwhile the PM shed crocodile tears in public and in private with the Illuminati smiling on Deripaska's yacht?!Cameron check mated him, he realised and did the only thing he could possibly have done. Not run.
Extremely clever politics from the Remain camp.
Fittster said:
turbobloke said:
Fittster said:
turbobloke said:
paulrockliffe said:
Gove will win, Boris will support him. Boris (and the Party) will have assurance form Gove that he'll stand down following our exit from the EU. Someone else will lead the party into the next election. Sorted.
Gove has the capability to manage Brexit.Someone else...do you have the name Boris in mind?!
Anyone elected as PM can invoke A50.
https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/06/27/nick-ba...
The legal opinion expressed may be correct, IANAL.
This still means that Gove can invoke A50 at some point if he wins, so the quesiton around A50 needed more clarity...it did look as though you had a tome of constitutional law in your pocket, that or you were excited at the two leadership contests occurring at the same time.
Fittster said:
These chaps don't think so.
https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/06/27/nick-ba...
Gove can't just get the keys to number 10 and put his signature on Article 50 even if he wanted to. The process will tie up and government (which may well require an election) for years to come,
You can tell that article is probably wrong because the key bit, who can pull the trigger, is only mentioned in the first paragraph, then there is pages of waffle about other things. https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/06/27/nick-ba...
Gove can't just get the keys to number 10 and put his signature on Article 50 even if he wanted to. The process will tie up and government (which may well require an election) for years to come,
Edited by Fittster on Thursday 30th June 12:33
WestyCarl said:
MarshPhantom said:
WestyCarl said:
CrutyRammers said:
Self-serving t
t. But then we knew that already. Not an ounce of conviction.
Not sure how you got to that conclusion t. But then we knew that already. Not an ounce of conviction.
t
t.I'm sure he's doing what's best for Boris, as usual.
turbobloke said:
Robbo66 said:
It has nothing to do whether Johnson wants or doesn't want to run.
Cameron check mated him, he realised and did the only thing he could possibly have done. Not run.
Extremely clever politics from the Remain camp.
So it turns out that Remain wanted to lose all along in order to work Boris over, and plotted to achieve that outcome, meanwhile the PM shed crocodile tears in public and in private with the Illuminati smiling on Deripaska's yacht?!Cameron check mated him, he realised and did the only thing he could possibly have done. Not run.
Extremely clever politics from the Remain camp.
Cameron went immediately to put Boris in an impossible position. Boris never intended to push A50 through. Cameron knew this, so did Boris. Boris doesn't run.
Robbo66 said:
It has nothing to do whether Johnson wants or doesn't want to run.
Cameron check mated him, he realised and did the only thing he could possibly have done. Not run.
Extremely clever politics from the Remain camp.
Go on, explain that to me will you, I don't understand how you have come to that conclusion at all tbh.Cameron check mated him, he realised and did the only thing he could possibly have done. Not run.
Extremely clever politics from the Remain camp.
fizz47 said:
CrutyRammers said:
Self-serving tt. But then we knew that already. Not an ounce of conviction.
How do you figure that - I would argue that its actually Gove who has caused this and is self-serving.t. But then we knew that already. Not an ounce of conviction.He stepped down to cause further issues in the party which is exactly what is needed for the party right now......
Alas I think this will mean Corbyn will be PM in 2020...
I've voted Conservative my entire life, and despite voting Remain in the referendum, I would still vote Conservative with Gove as leader. He has always been a Eurosceptic, stuck to his convictions, and would, I think, deliver the sort of politics I would support. I don't agree with him on Europe, but I do agree with him on a lot of other stuff, and am grown up enough to accept that I'm never going to agree with anyone on everything, so can respect his integrity in sticking to those convictions even if I don't believe in them.
If Boris had won the leadership, I wouldn't have voted Tory until he left. He used the whole referendum as an opportunist bit of Boris self-promotion, never expecting or wanting to "win". I have absolutely no idea what Boris stands for other than Boris, and I don't trust him to display an ounce of integrity in anything he does.
turbobloke said:
Fittster said:
turbobloke said:
Fittster said:
turbobloke said:
paulrockliffe said:
Gove will win, Boris will support him. Boris (and the Party) will have assurance form Gove that he'll stand down following our exit from the EU. Someone else will lead the party into the next election. Sorted.
Gove has the capability to manage Brexit.Someone else...do you have the name Boris in mind?!
Anyone elected as PM can invoke A50.
https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/06/27/nick-ba...
The legal opinion expressed may be correct, IANAL.
This still means that Gove can invoke A50 at some point if he wins, so the quesiton around A50 needed more clarity...it did look as though you had a tome of constitutional law in your pocket, that or you were excited at the two leadership contests occurring at the same time.
The EU may have its own ideas about what constitutes a valid Art 50 notice, but nevertheless, Art 50 says (from memory, something like) notice must be given per the withdrawing country's constitutional requirements.
ETA: The Govt at the time will take its own legal advice and follow that.
If there is a genuine dispute or doubt in the UK over whether it can be given by the PM as an act of foreign policy or requires an Act of Parliament, prudence will win every time. Because the alternative is the PM acting and then having to face an very angry Commons. Potentially a ground for impeachment, certainly a good basis to call for a no confidence vote.
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