Is Boris sh*tting himself?

[Sam All]

turbobloke said:

MarshPhantom said:

He stuck true to his principles. He wanted Leave and he has left.

[vonuber]

Why do I get the feeling this whole referendum had fk all to do with the EU and everything to do with internal tory politics.

[turbobloke]

vonuber said:

Why do I get the feeling this whole referendum had fk all to do with the EU and everything to do with internal tory politics.

Because of the nation's voters who voted, a clear majority (4% gap) voted to Leave, and a referendum on the wonderful EU that rejected the EU as not wonderful at all couldn't possibly be about the EU to a staunch Remainian?

It was about the EU.

[turbobloke]

Robert Peston tweets featured in the Guardian said:

Sources tell me Gove urgently wooing @George_Osborne to stay on as Chancellor if he wins.

Number of Labour joiners in past week is 60,000. Bloody hell. If most joining to defend Corbyn, scary for estranged MPs (& vice versa)

[vonuber]

turbobloke said:

Because of the nation's voters who voted, a clear majority (4% gap) voted to Leave, and a referendum on the wonderful EU that rejected the EU as not wonderful at all couldn't possibly be about the EU to a staunch Remainian?

It was about the EU.

I mean the setup of it and the subsequent politicking. Let's not talk about this 4% eh, I seem to remember a certain prominent politician and PH favourite saying that 4% left the matter 'undecided'. How things change.

[kurt535]

turbobloke said:

MarshPhantom said:

He stuck true to his principles. He wanted Leave and he has left.

fking the country over in the process. total selfish bd

[turbobloke]

kurt535 said:

turbobloke said:

MarshPhantom said:

He stuck true to his principles. He wanted Leave and he has left.

fking the country over in the process. total selfish bd

Possibly agree, possibly disagree

He didn't eff the country over by joining Leave.

He may have effed the country over if he increased the chances of a Labour win in 2020 by not standing and therefore definitely not winning (!)

As it happens, with the Labour disintegration more fundamental and more violent that the Tory spat for leader, and the boundary changes ahead, the 2020 result could well be one that even the bookies could get right.

[kurt535]

turbobloke said:

kurt535 said:

turbobloke said:

MarshPhantom said:

He stuck true to his principles. He wanted Leave and he has left.

fking the country over in the process. total selfish bd

Possibly agree, possibly disagree

He didn't eff the country over by joining Leave.

He may have effed the country over if he increased the chances of a Labour win in 2020 by not standing and therefore definitely not winning (!)

As it happens, with the Labour disintegration more fundamental and more violent that the Tory spat for leader, and the boundary changes ahead, the 2020 result could well be one that even the bookies could get right.

Boris jumped sides for his own political ambition and it blew up.

[herewego]

RizzoTheRat said:

herewego said:

marshalla said:

herewego said:

I don't see why the rest of us can't buy our financial services from centres in Paris or Frankfurt or anywhere else. Why should we be concerned about London FS?

. http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn06193.p...

It's one of many UK industries, I don't see any reason to single it out. If we buy German steel and cars we can buy German insurance.

You don't think >£1Bn/week would be worth keeping hold of?

Of course and I'm saying all home industries should be considered valuable and therefore be supported, not just one.

[turbobloke]

kurt535 said:

Boris jumped sides for his own political ambition and it blew up.

Short-term, no doubt about it.

I suspect he'll be back, in one way or another.

[gooner1]

kurt535 said:

fking the country over in the process. total selfish bd

Ala, Cameron?

To use a common colloquialism, chat referendum, get banged.

[turbobloke]

vonuber said:

turbobloke said:

Because of the nation's voters who voted, a clear majority (4% gap) voted to Leave, and a referendum on the wonderful EU that rejected the EU as not wonderful at all couldn't possibly be about the EU to a staunch Remainian?

It was about the EU.

I mean the setup of it and the subsequent politicking.

Couldn't agree more about the subsequent politicking, but I can't see how the setup works that way when the outcome was unknown at the time.

[Kermit power]

rs1952 said:

Interesting thought. Here are some interesting constituency results to go with it:

Wokingham (John Redwood) - Remain won 57/43
Bath & North East Somerset (Jacob Rees Mogg) - Remain won 58/42
Epsom & Ewell (Chris Grayling) - Remain won 52/48

We can no doubt rely on these MPs representing their constituent's views rather than their own, can't we?

I'd be popping along to Grayling's constituency surgery to make sure he was respecting my vote!

[catso]

Kermit power said:

Any man so utterly arrogant that he thinks it's OK to risk the state of the whole country for his own personal gain and then fk up so badly should never, ever be allowed near the top table of politics as anything other than a waiter.

Indeed, the man's a tool.

[Casa1862]

BJ cacked himself the first day when the crowds outside his house gave him an insight of what was to come, no more mr nice guy, lovable cheeky Chappy, he just needs to be liked! Gove gave him his ticket out. He could have run and lost, at least he would have tried......not this spineless fker !

Edited by Casa1862 on Thursday 30th June 21:43

[johnxjsc1985]

Think Boris comes under the category of "be careful what you wish for because it may come true" on this occasion we have escaped a bullet

[vonuber]

turbobloke said:

Couldn't agree more about the subsequent politicking, but I can't see how the setup works that way when the outcome was unknown at the time.

I think Cameron did it to try and shut both wings of his party up. He (and the media, betting companies, pollsters) probably thought it would be a done deal, after all theoretically they could have argued a strong case for remain. Boris being the gallant loser would be ideally positioned with both sides of the party to take over for the next election.

However it turned into a shower of st on both sides and we are where we are.

[Jockman]

Perhaps Cameron got carried away with the Scottish vote? Maybe he thought this one would be a walk in the park in comparison?

[johnxjsc1985]

Jockman said:

Perhaps Cameron got carried away with the Scottish vote? Maybe he thought this one would be a walk in the park in comparison?

I think he did get ahead of himself after the Scottish referendum ...cocky little git

[MarshPhantom]

Jockman said:

Perhaps Cameron got carried away with the Scottish vote? Maybe he thought this one would be a walk in the park in comparison?

Unusually for the Tories/Remain the press were mostly against them for the EU ref.