Is Boris sh*tting himself?

[///ajd]

Ewan McGregor summed it up nicely.

This does feel very like a tory experiment gone badly wrong. Obviously about keeping the eurosceptics at bay but its all gone pearshaped.

Even with all the time to prepare though they still have no idea what to do.

[Speed 3]

turbobloke said:

kurt535 said:

Boris jumped sides for his own political ambition and it blew up.

Short-term, no doubt about it.

I suspect he'll be back, in one way or another.

Seem to remember some other fop-haired toff in the 80's who's career went pear-shaped in other Tory leadership challenge travails, he never made any serious comeback.

[Randy Winkman]

///ajd said:

Even with all the time to prepare though they still have no idea what to do.

As a small aside, the civil service did no preparation at all either.

[Derek Smith]

vonuber said:

Why do I get the feeling this whole referendum had fk all to do with the EU and everything to do with internal tory politics.

Indeed. The referendum was a Cameron brainwave to take votes away from the UKIP. He, like the rest of us, thought there would be a pact with the LibDems and he could blame them for not running the referendum.

Once it had to go live, Johnson and Gove picked exit because it was best for them. Neither thought they would win. They just wanted to put pressure on the party to give them credibility.

now Cameron's gone we see nature take its course, with the bloke who is scared to take the top job running away from it and the bloke who always wanted it, but said he didn't (that'd fool 'em Mick), trying to seize an opportunity. He won't win but it will put pressure on the party to give him a top job once he, like the other failures, says, after he's dumped, 'Now is the time we should all pull together for the fate of the party, and I'll support [May probably] for PM and want all my supporters to move with me. He'll see #11 as just a step away from PM.

Corbyn and these two: no wonder the country is in a mess.

[Tuna]

The anti-Boris remainers are out in force tonight.

You're taking your eyes off the ball if you think Boris has engineered any of this screw up.

You're taking your eyes off the ball if you think keeping Boris out of power is a big win.

Cameron and Boris miscalculated badly, but Gove and May are going to suck the blood out of the corpse.

[///ajd]

Randy Winkman said:

///ajd said:

Even with all the time to prepare though they still have no idea what to do.

As a small aside, the civil service did no preparation at all either.

They do what their ministers demand.

Sure it seems clear that the existing ministers should have made some plans, but this seems limited to BoE damage limitation.

What is astonishing is that there is no plan or coherence in anything the brexit mps are saying. Its total chaos between freedom of movement promises and single market access.

Everyday businesses are making decisions based on stability and that will typcally mean not in the UK. The damage is probably already more than ALL our historic EU contributions, and extending into the future.

[///ajd]

Tuna said:

The anti-Boris remainers are out in force tonight.

You're taking your eyes off the ball if you think Boris has engineered any of this screw up.

You're taking your eyes off the ball if you think keeping Boris out of power is a big win.

Cameron and Boris miscalculated badly, but Gove and May are going to suck the blood out of the corpse.

The corpse of the UK economy? You may well be right. Have a pat on the back, well done. Admire the fruits of your labour.

[vonuber]

Tuna said:

The anti-Boris remainers are out in force tonight.

I voted for him as Mayor.

[turbobloke]

///ajd said:

Everyday businesses are making decisions based on stability and that will typcally mean not in the UK.

Possibly so with some of the more sclerotic big players run by intrapreneurs who can't cope with change well, but not owner entrepreneurs who will be looking just as much at the risk-return side of things and not necessarily ruling out UK plc.

We need a corptax cut and a business rates cut as soon as the new PM has got her/his Jimmy Choos / Barkers Brogues under the table.

[kurt535]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Think Boris comes under the category of "be careful what you wish for because it may come true" on this occasion we have escaped a bullet

but caught the biggest blue on blue ever recorded in modern warfare....

[turbobloke]

kurt535 said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

Think Boris comes under the category of "be careful what you wish for because it may come true" on this occasion we have escaped a bullet

but caught the biggest blue on blue ever recorded in modern warfare....

Almost drowned out by the biggest red giant supernova the galaxy will see for some time.

[vonuber]

turbobloke said:

We need a corptax cut and a business rates cut as soon as the new PM has got her/his Jimmy Choos / Barkers Brogues under the table.

How do you close the funding gap without cuts? how do you honour Cornwall's £60million/year?
Are we looking at raising tax rates?

[SpeedMattersNot]

Just doesn't make sense why he'd make so much fuss about leave, then st himself. He's got the majority of the population on his side, in probably the most favoured position to take over in and outside of his party...something is real fishy here.

[turbobloke]

vonuber said:

turbobloke said:

We need a corptax cut and a business rates cut as soon as the new PM has got her/his Jimmy Choos / Barkers Brogues under the table.

How do you close the funding gap without cuts? how do you honour Cornwall's £60million/year?
Are we looking at raising tax rates?

I'd hope they'll raise the corptax take by the end of the 2 year negotiation period by lowering the rate.

Personal tax rates could go up and public spending could go down. I'm not the Chancellor and tfft.

[Tuna]

turbobloke said:

We need a corptax cut and a business rates cut as soon as the new PM has got her/his Jimmy Choos / Barkers Brogues under the table.

The Tory party seem to have consistently screwed over UK business in the last decade, I'm not sure any of the current candidates look like they'd do any different.

[turbobloke]

SpeedMattersNot said:

Just doesn't make sense why he'd make so much fuss about leave, then st himself. He's got the majority of the population on his side, in probably the most favoured position to take over in and outside of his party...something is real fishy here.

It sure is.

[turbobloke]

Tuna said:

turbobloke said:

We need a corptax cut and a business rates cut as soon as the new PM has got her/his Jimmy Choos / Barkers Brogues under the table.

The Tory party seem to have consistently screwed over UK business in the last decade, I'm not sure any of the current candidates look like they'd do any different.

[don4l]

Derek Smith said:

So Johnson was sh*tting himself all the time.

Well I misjudged the man. I had no idea he lacked bottle.

He's been promised some role from the contenders, May and Gove. The gods help us all if it is an important one.

Gove has got baking of a lot of MPs but up against May for the final vote, which looks likely, I would not rate his chances.

Johnson, the bloke who took some days to make up his mind which would give him more opportunity, stay or leave campaigning, now says he was a passionate leaver all along. Yeah, right.

I knew he was two faced, but three?

Derek,

You appear to becoming a bit emotional.

A few months ago Boris decided that Leave would win. He has wanted to be PM all his life, so he decided to pretend to be passionate about leaving the EU.

To be fair, he did a fantastic job. The way he allowed Gisela Stuart and Andrea Ledsman to handle the nasty personal attacks that Ms Eagle, Sturgeon and the other hectoring fishwife hurled towards him was a great demonstration of true leadership.

In case you don't remember, each time they delivered a personal insult, Dimbleby offered him the chance to defend himself. Each time he held his hand out to one of his deputies, indicating that they should speak. They did not let him down. That was a demonstration of true leadership.

Boris isn't a coward. He spotted an opportunity, and he went for it.

I'm not sure why Gove stuck the knife in. My feeling is that Gove thinks that Boris is not really committed to Brexit. This means that he believes that Boris cannot negotiate the best exit deal for Britain.

You may have seen that I would tell Junker and Tusk to sod off.

You might think that I am joking. I am not. I may enjoy "winding up lefties", but I also know that Britain really does have the upper hand in these discussions.

Europe really has an awful lot more to lose than we do. These negotiations are going to be a game of poker. The best bluffer will win.

There is absolutely no need to accept freedom of movement. We are full. Our roads are jammed. We have hosepipe bans if it doesn't rain for ten days. I recently changed doctor's surgery because I couldn't get an appointment at my old surgery for two weeks.

[405dogvan]

s2art said:

405dogvan said:

s2art said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

s2art said:

I suspect there was a bit more to it than that. Rumours are that Gove lost confidence in him, and then stuck the knife in.

Be a friend of someone for 30 years then stick the knife in when he's not looking, wker

Well, if it was for the good of the country.... Maybe Gove did the right thing.

"Bible boy" Gove - really - the good of the country - really?

The only situation he'd be ideal as PM was if we knew 100% the PM was about to be assassinated and couldn't stop it...

If he thought stopping Boris was best. He was pretty clear he thought Boris wasnt the man for the job.

So he thinks he's not the man for the job but because he thinks someone else isn't either he has to ride in - or did his wife just tell me to?

It's like someone giving a 1-star rating to something 'to balance out all the 5-star ratings' ;0

[Tuna]

///ajd said:

The corpse of the UK economy? You may well be right. Have a pat on the back, well done. Admire the fruits of your labour.

I don't know what you think I've done, but leaving is always going to be what we make of it - and the current scramble for our political parties to destroy themselves is really the most self-serving idiocy when we need to follow through on the decision the nation made.

Genuinely, I was willing to accept either outcome for the referendum on the basis that we should then get behind the result and make it work. This middle ground of having a vote and then loosing any credible leadership in any major political party is just shameful.